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Kenny Huang leading serious bid for LFC

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Chinese to put bid on the table for takeover of Liverpool

Tony Barrett

The Chinese consortium leading the race to buy Liverpool is expected to step up its interest this week by making a firm offer for the club.

Kenny Huang, a Hong Kong-based businessman, has delivered an outline takeover proposal to Martin Broughton, the Liverpool chairman, and having gone public with its plans, the consortium is understood to be putting the finishing touches to a formal offer that it will put to Barclays Capital (Barcap), which is overseeing the sale.

Broughton has made it clear to all parties that they must provide proof of having the necessary cash to complete a deal.

If successful, the Chinese bid would lead Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jr, the Liverpool co-owners, to be replaced by a consortium backed by a Far Eastern sovereign wealth fund, believed to be an offshoot of China Investment Company.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41235.msg1150649#msg1150649 date=1281299834]
Either way, I don't see the point in getting all technical about it. Does it really matter if spider-neil on sixcrazyminutes.com doesn't alert himself to the flashing warning signs with the Huang bid? It's not like we the fans are going to be making any decisions.
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Shh, you'll kill this entire board, you know, where we talk about what players we should buy, when we don't buy them, what team we should play, when we don't pick them, and what actresses are hot, when we don't fuck them.
 
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=41235.msg1150649#msg1150649 date=1281299834]
Either way, I don't see the point in getting all technical about it. Does it really matter if spider-neil on sixcrazyminutes.com doesn't alert himself to the flashing warning signs with the Huang bid? It's not like we the fans are going to be making any decisions.
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Shh, you'll kill this entire board, you know, where we talk about what players we should buy, when we don't buy them, what team we should play, when we don't pick them, and what actresses are hot, when we don't fuck them.
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Yeah, but that shits entertaining and what we're all essentially here to discuss. This is tedious.
 
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=41235.msg1150649#msg1150649 date=1281299834]
Either way, I don't see the point in getting all technical about it. Does it really matter if spider-neil on sixcrazyminutes.com doesn't alert himself to the flashing warning signs with the Huang bid? It's not like we the fans are going to be making any decisions.
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and what actresses are hot, when we don't fuck them.
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you speak for yourself
 
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[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=41235.msg1150659#msg1150659 date=1281300889]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41235.msg1150649#msg1150649 date=1281299834]
Either way, I don't see the point in getting all technical about it. Does it really matter if spider-neil on sixcrazyminutes.com doesn't alert himself to the flashing warning signs with the Huang bid? It's not like we the fans are going to be making any decisions.
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Shh, you'll kill this entire board, you know, where we talk about what players we should buy, when we don't buy them, what team we should play, when we don't pick them, and what actresses are hot, when we don't fuck them.
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Yeah, but that shits entertaining and what we're all essentially here to discuss. This is tedious.
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Yea, the other shit never gets tedious.

This is kind of a big deal, no? We'll have more information soon enough, which you can wait for and avoid the speculation if you'd like.
 
I haven't posted in these threads that often largely because I do find it tedious and now would rather just wait for the end result, so thanks for your kindly advice, but it's unnecessary and unwanted.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41235.msg1150667#msg1150667 date=1281301868]
I haven't posted in these threads that often largely because I do find it tedious and now would rather just wait for the end result, so thanks for your kindly advice, but it's unnecessary and unwanted.
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No, don't go. Your sunny disposition has brought sorely lacking levity to this thread.
 
With Alonso what mattered was off the ball movement and the team's on the ball movement was so much more static. With Lucas immediately replacing Alonso, he passes the ball shortly and tersely and expects the ball back in return after moving forward a little and he keeps the play going little by little upfield with every pass. For Alonso's one pass we had numerous passes from Lucas. Now with Lucas, those who weren't able to adjust to Alonso's absence and also the demand of better on the ball movement were found out. That was a shift in philosophy not many could adjust to.

Lucas should really be playing for Barcelona where he wouldn't be let down by his team-mates.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41235.msg1150671#msg1150671 date=1281302415]
I'm reading the Lucas thread on RAWK. I blame it all on that.
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Say no more.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41235.msg1150672#msg1150672 date=1281302539]
With Alonso what mattered was off the ball movement and the team's on the ball movement was so much more static. With Lucas immediately replacing Alonso, he passes the ball shortly and tersely and expects the ball back in return after moving forward a little and he keeps the play going little by little upfield with every pass. For Alonso's one pass we had numerous passes from Lucas. Now with Lucas, those who weren't able to adjust to Alonso's absence and also the demand of better on the ball movement were found out. That was a shift in philosophy not many could adjust to.

Lucas should really be playing for Barcelona where he wouldn't be let down by his team-mates.
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Ahahahahahahahahahaha.

Holy fuck.
 
[quote author=some RAWK chap link=topic=41235.msg1150672#msg1150672 date=1281302539]With Lucas immediately replacing Alonso, he passes the ball shortly and tersely
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He also passes it slower than evolution. Even Spearing was pinging it around with more zip the other night. How is it possible to hit it slow slowly, so consistently?
 
Liverpool’s £400m shoot out

Despite heavy debts and a tough season ahead, the Anfield club is still luring millionaire bidders eager to buy a team with legions of fans

Matthew Goodman and Ben Marlow



Ryan White threw down his stick and launched himself at Eric Nystrom, landing a couple of hefty punches. The pair traded blows in a typically aggressive ice hockey ruckus before the referee broke them up.

Watching the brawl from his private box high up in Montreal’s Bell Centre arena was George Gillett, the co-owner of Liverpool Football Club — and the then owner of White’s team, the Montreal Canadiens.

The game against the Calgary Flames was gripping, but Gillett had bigger things on his mind. With him in his box were Tom Hicks, his business partner at Liverpool, and Yahya Kirdi, a Syrian footballer-turned-businessman.

Kirdi, they thought, could be the answer to their dreams. He wanted to buy Liverpool. The three men had been introduced earlier that day by Dan Diamond, a sports business consultant who was also in the box.

Nine months on, the negotiations that began at the ice hockey game have made good progress. Kirdi’s representatives insisted last week that a deal is close to being agreed.

If only it were that simple. Liverpool are the latest member of England’s Premier League to attract the attentions of millionaire buyers and are at the centre of an international bidding war.

Numerous exotic names have been mentioned as suitors, all seemingly willing to pay off the club’s debts and buy out Hicks and Gillett. But it is far from certain that any will succeed. “The situation is as clear as mud,†lamented one club insider.

While Kirdi negotiates direct with Hicks and Gillett, Kenny Huang, a Chinese businessman with links to basketball, has been suggested as favourite to clinch the deal. But he, too, faces tough competition.

The man presiding over the confusion is Martin Broughton, the chairman of British Airways, who was appointed to the same role at Liverpool in the spring.

He is working with Barclays Capital, the investment bank, to find a suitable buyer for the club. And while they would like a conclusion sooner rather than later, they are not prepared to be bounced into a quick sale if the bids on the table are not sound.

Huang has publicly declared an interest, although he said he had not made a formal offer. There is also uncertainty about whether the China Investment Corporation, which invests on behalf of the government, is helping to finance his bid.

Sources close to Huang insist he is serious, apparently even sending a delegation to Spain to assure Fernando Torres, who was until recently mulling his future as Liverpool’s star striker, that there would be plenty of money to lavish on new players should the Chinese bid succeed.

Keith Harris, chairman of Seymour Pierce, the stockbroker, and a veteran of football takeovers, last week claimed he was working with “very seriousâ€, “cash-rich†bidders.

Other names resurfaced. The al-Kharafi family from Kuwait was said to be among a handful of wealthy interests in talks with Barclays. Rhone Capital, a New York private equity house, has a standing offer to buy a 25% stake in Liverpool in a deal that would value the club at £400m. Subrata Roy, an Indian billionaire, is also said to be considering whether to submit a bid.

The club is waiting to see the full details of how the bids will be funded. It wants to ensure that, whichever triumphs, the buyer has pockets deep enough to fund a planned new stadium and invest in the squad.

Several observers were dismissive of Kirdi’s attempts to take control of the Anfield club. Although he is said to be ready to pay off the £237m debt owed to Royal Bank of Scotland and Wells Fargo, the American bank, as well as to pay Hicks and Gillett for their equity, the identities of others in his Middle East consortium have yet to emerge.

The doubters claim that Kirdi, a former Syrian football international who has lived in Canada for several years, is nothing more than a stalking horse who is being used to push up the price.

Dan Diamond insisted that was not the case. “I fully appreciate there will be people who question our sincerity or our ability to complete this deal until we do. Our job is clear — to complete the deal.â€

Why would anyone want to own a football club? For those packed into court 52 at the Royal Courts of Justice last Thursday, it might have been a hard question to answer.

Alongside the lawyers and reporters were Portsmouth fans desperate to hear the judge rule on the fate of their club, which went into administration in February with debts estimated at £130m.

The ruling went in the club’s favour, saving it from liquidation, but the legal reprieve hasn’t altered the fact that its finances — and those of many other teams — are a shambles.

Clubs are drowning in debt as they compete for players whose wages they cannot afford. They are living far beyond their means.

A review of football by Deloitte, the accountant, found that Premier League sides spent an average 72.5% of revenue generated on wages. The average wage bill was £66.4m last season, up 14% on the previous year.

It is an unsustainable model that Uefa, the European governing body, wants to change. Its financial fair-play regulations, which will come into force by 2012, aim to curb excessive spending on transfers.

In the meantime, more clubs will struggle for survival. In the past year, Sheffield Wednesday, Cardiff City and Southend United have had to face the taxman in court over unpaid debts. In March, Chester City were wound up.

Last season was Liverpool’s worst for years. They finished seventh in the Premier League, failing to qualify for the lucrative Champions League. That could cost the club £40m in lost income, though insiders insist buyers would not be put off by one season’s performance.

Off the pitch, the debts and losses mounted. The club claimed recently that profitability had improved since Hicks and Gillett took over. The most recent accounts suggest otherwise. Net losses increased to £53m last year, largely because of £40m interest charges. Over two years, the company has racked up losses of £95m, including interest charges of £76m. Net borrowings were £351m, up 17% on the previous year. Included in the outstanding debts is £144m owed to Kop Football (Cayman) Ltd, a company controlled by the co-owners. That debt had climbed £86m in one year.

The club has been forced to renegotiate its borrowings several times. Last July, RBS granted a six-month window. A further six weeks was granted in January, and when the club was put up for sale in April, RBS gave a 12-month extension to allow buyers to be found. However, it retained the right to call in the loans early and it is thought the extension was non-binding.

To compound the delicate situation, Liverpool’s auditor, KPMG, expressed doubts about the club’s reliance on short-term loans and its ability to remain a going concern.

“Plenty of people have looked at the books in the past but have taken flight when they realise how bad the financial situation is,†an adviser to one bidder said. Those connected to the club beg to differ.

Despite the financial risks, tycoons are still keen to get into football. One City source who has advised on club takeovers said: “I get rich people asking me all the time, ‘Should I buy a football club?’. I tell them to buy a vineyard, an Aston Martin or a Picasso. They cost less money, come without the reputational and financial risk, but your friends will still be impressed.â€

Nonetheless, even royalty and foreign governments want a piece of the action. In 2008, Manchester City were bought by a member of Abu Dhabi’s ruling family.

As well as the prospect of making money by revitalising underperforming clubs, investors are attracted by the high public profile that comes with owning a top football team.

The world’s biggest game provides an opportunity to promote other business interests on a global stage. Clubs become trophy assets on which billionaires can afford to lose money.

Others have profited. The Glazer family has made millions from Manchester United over the years. If they sold the club tomorrow, they would probably make a big profit.

Liverpool’s past successes make them attractive to investors. During the 1980s they were one of the top teams in Europe, helping them to create a global fan base. Tim Crow of Synergy, a sport sponsorship agency, said: “Liverpool are a sleeping giant. If you go to the Far East and look at Premier League shirts on sale in stores, you see Manchester United and Liverpool. With the exception of United, Liverpool have more fans round the world than any English club.â€

Many of those fans don’t care about replica shirt sales, they simply want to see the back of Hicks and Gillett and a semblance of stability. They marked America’s Independence day last month with a protest rally. Jim Boardman, founder of Anfieldroad.com, an independent fan website, said: “Most supporters just want the owners out and the debt brought down.†Even advisers to the club say they want an end to “the pantomimeâ€.

It is, though, still far from clear whether the question of ownership will be resolved by the time Liverpool kick off the new Premier League campaign against Arsenal next weekend.

Despite the speculation about the possible takeover, the club and its advisers have remained resolutely tight-lipped. They have spent the past few weeks ensuring that those putting themselves forward as credible bidders are able to put their money where their mouths are. Then the serious business of negotiation begins.

While many would like to see a new owner installed before the transfer window closes at the end of this month, thus giving a new regime time to bring in fresh talent, that is unrealistic. More likely, a preferred bidder will be selected within the next month, who will then be given leave to finalise a takeover.

Hicks has already been forced to sell another of his sports businesses. Last week the Texas Rangers baseball team was sold at auction for $600m (£375m) to a former star pitcher, three months after filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.

That process had developed into a high-profile dust-up. The tug-of-war for Liverpool is also turning into quite a fight.

Additional reporting by James McCarthy

Sheikh-up at Man City has yet to work

Whoever ends up buying Liverpool, they are going to need some serious financial muscle to compete with the Anfield club’s neighbour 30 miles away.

Since taking over Manchester City nearly two years ago, the Abu Dhabi group led by Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan has been prepared to spend big in an effort to achieve success.

It has lavished millions on a string of signings. Last year City spent £120m on new players — about a quarter of the total spent by the Premier League clubs.

This year, Manchester City has again been hyperactive in the transfer market, splashing out another fortune to add to its ranks of top talent. It has forked out more than £80m during the current off-season, adding star players such as Yaya Toure — who will receive a basic salary of £185,000 a week — and David Silva.

The question is whether spending all that money will result in a winning team. In the club’s first full season under its new backers, it did not. City were pipped to fifth place in the Premier League, meaning they missed out on qualifying for the Champions League, Europe’s most prestigious tournament as well as its most financially rewarding. The owners will be hoping for a big improvement this season. They want to repeat the experience of other clubs.

Chelsea had not won the title for decades until Roman Abramovich led a takeover in 2003 and launched a huge spending spree on players. Since then, the team has won the league three times.

Similarly, Blackburn Rovers won the Premier League in 1995 thanks to the millions spent on the team by its late benefactor, Jack Walker.

Spending lavish sums is no guarantee of success. Liverpool have been among the Premier League’s biggest net spenders on transfers but have failed to win the competition since its inception in 1992.

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I'm reading the Lucas thread on RAWK. I blame it all on that.
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Say no more.
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Actually, I'm reconsidering this.

I've spent the best part of the last hour picking out ties and pocketsquares for my groomsmen. I've been told in no uncertain terms that in keeping with the wedding, the colour has to be some shade of purple.

I've now entered some wierd girlspace where I have to have conversations about whether plum and lavender aren't complementary colours, all while hemorrhaging thousands and thousands of dollars in part so that people who don't like me can attend my wedding and gaze upon my profoundly fruity tie.

This is what my weekends have become. And you're upset that the posts on your football forum are boring?
 
I'm still not sure that is worse than being reduced to reading posts about how Lucas is one of the few players who combine physical strength, technical abilities and tactical intelligence.
 
RAWK would build a team around Lucas, the mental, gullible bellends.
 
Isn't there anyone on RAWK who disagrees with all the bullshit they come out with, or do they just get banned?

Sure people can be rude to one another on here at times, but at least you get a lively debate that isn't (usually) just one mentalist against the rest 🙂
 
Chinese businessman Kenny Huang is reportedly expected to lodge a bid in the region of £400 million to takeover Liverpool.

The 46-year-old's representatives recently released a statement to the effect that their client had registered an interest in buying the Merseyside club, but was yet to launch a formal bid to prise control away from the club's much maligned owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett.

Now The Daily Telegraph reports that Huang is expected to make an official offer in the region of £400m early on this week, with a view to taking over the Reds.

It has also been reported that the businessman has already held talks with Barclays Capital, the bank appointed to oversee the sale of the club.

Meanwhile, former Syria international Yahya Kirdi has also been heavily linked with a takeover and is believed to be serious about moving ahead with his plans to assume control of Anfield.

There have also been reports of New York-based private equity firm Rhone Group reigniting their interest in buying Liverpool.
 
LFC What we have so far learned today: Guang Yang says he is part of Huang bid, contradicting statement on Friday which said he wasn't ¨
From Paul Kelso chief sportswriter Telegraph
 
Official now - @spiritofshankly (or SOS-ShareLFC to be precise) to meet Chinese consortium linked with bid for #LFC htt ...
 
Spirit of Shankly – ShareLiverpoolFC have been approached by the representatives of Mr. Kenny Huang who has restated his position as the representative of a serious bid for the ownership of Liverpool FC.

They have stated that Mr. Huang intends to be in Liverpool in the near future and he has asked to meet with representatives of Spirit of Shankly – ShareLiverpoolFC. They have said that the reason he wishes to meet with the supporters’ organisations is that the bidders see Spirit of Shankly – ShareLiverpoolFC as key stakeholders in the Club and the views of supporters are critical to the way they approach any deal.

They have made it clear that any discussion would be entirely without prejudice, in order to learn more about Spirit of Shankly – ShareLiverpoolFC, what the organisations want and to see if there are mutual areas of agreement.

We cautiously welcomed the approach and restated our position, made clear recently, that we are keen to engage with those charged with selling the Club and any credible potential purchasers. We recognise that the intentions of any potential purchasers need to be thoroughly examined prior to any purchase of the Club and involvement and discussion with supporters is key to that.

However, the Club, their agents and any potential purchasers need to recognise where the supporters’ organisations came from – they were born out of the betrayal by the current owners of promises they made when they purchased the Club and their action and behaviour afterwards.

In the same way that no potential purchaser will commit to any wish list from the supporters, Spirit of Shankly – ShareLiverpoolFC will not supply any endorsement to any potential purchaser without the most rigorous of examinations. This examination will include:

1. That they will be proper custodians of Liverpool FC recognising and never forgetting the unique nature of this Club;

2. That they invest proper equity into the Club to eliminate the current debt and to provide the funds to undertake the capital expenditure necessary to rebuild the Club including a solution to the stadium challenge and sufficient funds to allow the team to properly compete on the field;

3. That they are serious about engaging positively to seek ways in which the supporters are able to obtain an equity stake, with proper representation at Board level, within the Club.

We will keep you updated on any developments.


Spirit Of Shankly – ShareLiverpoolFC
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41235.msg1151200#msg1151200 date=1281373920]
I hope you guys like Kirdi, because according to SSN the deal for the club will be concluded for sunday
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Well, you know that it can't right? Kirdi says he has agreed a deal with the owners. He has not once mentioned Barcap or Broughton, and gone through the right process. Kidi won't be buying the club. That I'm certain of.
 
This Chinese bid just seems more focussed on PR than getting a deal done.

Why the fuck did Abu Dhabi not just buy us instead of some shite club like City.
 
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