Jonjo

[LeTallecWiz]

No, he's been improving since Monk started pushing him and talking to him. Let's not dismiss the work of a good manager just to defend another one.

My post wasn't directed at you - so please stop patronizing me - I posted my point of view - just because it doesn't suit your point of view (which is fine), doesn't mean I cannot post it.

Monk called him out mid season last year - and he wasn't great during the 2nd half or he would have got more attention from Hodgson (or Swansea fans, or our fans even). As I said, he's has a very good 4 game run - so it looks good for him (and good on him, he's a good lad).

As for Monk being a good manager - what were your thoughts on Rodgers before we signed him? Was he a good manager too for the way he was working with Swansea and some of their up and coming players? Will Monk be able to translate his success at Swansea once he takes the next step up? It's tough to tell ... but he does look like the best young up n' coming manager in the premier league.

Can you show me one overly positive/negative post I've made about Rodgers in the last few months? If not, please refrain from that lazy assumption (I expect it from moo man). If you must know, I'm on the fence leaning to 'time to move on' (as I've been the last few months).

 

[Oliver Twist]

I think it was always clear that Shelvey had a lot of talent but for whatever reason the club didn't seem inclined to develop it. It may just have been a case of arriving at the club at the wrong time as we were dealing with Henderson and Gerrard. There is an argument - and it was strongly made at the time I recall - that we should've loaned him out rather than sold him. We can only hope we put in some clauses that will net us a profit should he earn a big move at some point.

It's still too early to tell whether we made a mistake letting him go though. He may never have developed in the same way here as some players need serious game time in a stable environment to reach their potential. Then of course there is the possibility that he's one of those players that will be good for a lesser team but never quite make it at a top team for whatever reason. Time will tell.

As usual, it's not so much about the player we let go but the ones that came in after him.

He wanted to go. I always admire a player who wants to play and is prepared to go to a lesser team to get minutes on the pitch. Especially when you get others - like Enrique and Borini - who hang around like a bad smell. And for what? Money? Kudos?

Good on Shelvey, I think.

 

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If we'd won on Saturday I very much doubt a thread about Shelvey would have descended into a thread about Rodgers.

 

[Oliver Twist]

Right leg cocked and ready to go at any given opportunity.

 

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For what it's worth, this is what Rodgers told The Observer in September 2013:

"Jonjo himself will tell you what happened," Rodgers says. "He wanted to know where he stood, so I told him. I said: 'Where you are at the moment is behind the captain of Liverpool and England, who plays in your position. So you can stay and pick up knowledge and experience but probably not play in too many games for the next couple of years or you can find a new club and play week in week out. Several clubs have expressed an interest in taking you but the one I would recommend is Swansea.'"

 

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What a terrible way to treat such an incredible talent.

 

[Jack D Rips]

Maybe we should have loaned him out for a couple of seasons, seeing as the Liverpool and England captain was ready to retire.

 

[leftpeg]

Maybe we should have loaned him out for a couple of seasons, seeing as the Liverpool and England captain was ready to retire.

It's not an unreasonable assumption that might have been part of the package of the stay but don't play option. It would certainly be in keeping with how Rodgers has dealt with other young players.

 

[jexykrodic]

I thought we let him go because he was one paced, took too many chances and was indisciplined. There was never any doubt in his ability but he was never going to be given the minutes and patience suggested at Liverpool where you are expected to hit the ground running.

He has the benefit of patience and development at Swansea and it's paying off for him. Good luck to him, it was the best thing for him personally.

 

[Comical Aly]

He's still only 23. Seems like he's been around for a lot longer than that.

 

[gkmacca]

He wanted to go.

He wanted to go because he was told he wouldn't get many chances. Then he said he regretted going and not staying to fight. He wasn't right mentally at the time no matter who'd managed him, but he was no closed book and just needed time. If we'd kept him and worked with him he'd either have developed into a decent player for us or been sold for a very good fee. As it was the club invested in him as he made his mistakes and then another club benefited from him when he belatedly started to grow up. There's not enough work done at the reserve level. If you're precociously level headed like Ibe, or an arrival like Gomez, you're okay, but if there are any rough edges, or worse, you may as well just be shunted straight out because you're not going to progress here. All of the work we do these days is about the body, zero is about the head. And at that age, mentally, many need lots of guidance.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

He wanted to go because he was told he wouldn't get many chances. Then he said he regretted going and not staying to fight. He wasn't right mentally at the time no matter who'd managed him, but he was no closed book and just needed time. I

I don't know why, but despite his attitude at times ON the pitch, he always seemed to have the right attitude off it overall (I dont' know his training habits).

I think had we had him now at that age, he'd be going out on loan as we're doing more and more with our younger players (sadly, with little success bar Ibe).

Good luck to him regardless - I hope he does brilliantly (36 games a year).

 

[Dirkus_Circus]

Jonjo Shelvey, king of the golf.