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Its back baby!!! Superbowl BABY!!

Just saw the NCAA taunting live ball rule change enforced for the first time. Dude raised his hand for maybe a second, ten yards out from the endzone, before running in the score. Got it pulled back and had fifteen yards tacked on. The rules even say "excessive." Bullshit call for television. Cost LSU four points as they had to settle for a field goal. Not that it should affect the result as they are handing Florida a beating.
 
Jesus. Oklahoma State run up 35 points on Kansas in one quarter. How the fuck do you concede five touchdowns in a quarter? Their first drive took five minutes off the clock and they led 7-0. Then the Cowboys ran in five scores in about eight minutes.

Good job they're pretty good at basketball, because Kansas's football program is a fucking train wreck right now.
 
I'm a bit late to the Tony Romo discussion, but as a neutral observer, I think that (althought they're right), when folks put both losses 100% on Tony and tell us that he'll never win the big one (which, again, may be right), they neglect to tell us that both wins this season are also 100% on Tony, and that he played with broken ribs- and having had them, I can tell you are fucking agonizing - and teammates who had no idea of where they should be or what the snap count was, which makes both performances quite remarkable.

With Tony, they're 2-2. Without Tony, they'd be 2-2.
 
This is all true. Romo is only one part of the hilarious Jerry Jones circus that keeps the Cowboys from winning.

That said, the QB has to take responsibility for miscommunication on the o-line. That's where a signal caller lives. He's the leader there.
 
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I'm a bit late to the Tony Romo discussion, but as a neutral observer, I think that (althought they're right), when folks put both losses 100% on Tony and tell us that he'll never win the big one (which, again, may be right), they neglect to tell us that both wins this season are also 100% on Tony, and that he played with broken ribs- and having had them, I can tell you are fucking agonizing - and teammates who had no idea of where they should be or what the snap count was, which makes both performances quite remarkable.

With Tony, they're 2-2. Without Tony, they'd be 2-2.
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You're absolutely right!

He's shown so many times what an brilliant and exciting player he can be but he's a 9 year veteran and these spectacular meltdowns are more in keeping with a rookie. He never learns! Has there ever been a more frustrating player?

There does come a point where your hope and trust in him runs out and i think i've reached that point.
 
Absolutely right, he is like a poor man's Brett Favre, you have to deal with the good and the bad.

I fucking despise Favre by the way.


On another note, I never knew Al Davis started as the Raiders' head coach, and then bought the team.
 
Obviously losing to the Lions sucks, and George can shampoo my balls, but even for a Bears fan there is something satisfying about the way Detroit have recovered themselves. At exactly the same time that the Bears front office lost their fucking minds and decided to trade the family silver (draft picks) in favour of bringing in big-money players and free agents, the Lions set about cutting their expensive flops and drafting themselves back into relevance. Clearly, having consecutive first and second overall picks helps secure the best talent (and Suh might be a once in a generation talent), but they've done it the way it should be done.

Meanwhile, we have Cutler, Williams, Marion Barber, and three defeats. And we had loads of cap room, so we're not even doing the spending thing properly. I'd drown everyone in our office and start over.
 
Small piece on that LSU touchdown that was nullified for taunting against the Gators on Saturday. Think the player and Les Miles have handled it well (helps that they massacred Florida I suppose), but the implementation of the rule seems unnecessarily harsh to me. He's a punter, and he's just pulled off the single greatest play he will ever have in his career. I'm not even sure pulling your cock out could really be deemed excessive in those circumstances.


LSU punter Brad Wing flagged for taunting Florida
 
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In other business, what about the call on the Victor Cruz debacle?

Now that is some officiating nonsense.
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Unless I read it wrong, didn't they get it spot on, according to the rule?
 
Initially they ruled it downed by contact. Then the referee said it was this surrender rule.

So we have two issues - the ref said the call couldn't be challenged, but the on field call wasn't for the rule he cited, so that's some ex post facto officiating for a start.

The second issue is that the rule is bullshit. Other than when a QB slides or a punt returner calls fair catch, a player shouldn't be able to decide when a live play is over just by stopping and then putting the ball down. And, like a lot of decisions, it made me think of the overturned Megatron TD last season.

I guess there's a third issue too - no way was Cruz aware of that rule. He just fucked up and got lucky that someone called it that way. Having said that, I like a bit of Cruz. Go on with your 1-AA self, Victor.
 
Didn't realize that the initial call wasn't what they ended up using... That's a fair point.

But, whether the rule is or isn't shite - And I don't agree with you on that... Look at spiking the ball, or taking a knee, etc... players decided when a play is over all the time - or whether Cruz did or didn't even know it's there, the rule does exist and he did EXACTLY what the rule says to do.

They certainly appear to have bumbled their way to it, but they got it right, by the letter of that rule.
 
I saw some of the bears lions game before

Not a solitary clue what was going on
 
I don't watch as much as you guys, so does anyone agree with this :

What we’ve learnt so far

4 weeks in and you have to ask yourself what kind of mad man would have predicted the way results thus far this season have gone. Sure, we all jumped on the Lions bandwagon pre-season, sure, I said Fitzpatrick was the real deal, but even in his most bizarre moments, the mind of Rex Ryan could never conceive of something as bizarre, nay, mental as the Bengals being 2-2. With each of the team a quarter of the way through their regular season schedule, it seems the perfect time to reflect on what we’ve learnt thus far…

The Lockout has hit defences worse than offenses.
Look at some of the yards that some average QBs are putting up, you’ve got to wonder if some secondarys are still on the lockout. Three of the top teams in the league, the Packers, Saints and Patriots are being roasted time and time against when their defenders are on the field, there just seems to be a lack of cohesion all over the shop. Even star individual suchs as Nnamdi Asomugha are looking foolish, though no more so than the rest of his team. The Patriots in particular have no defence to speak of. Brady threw 4 TDs against the Bills, and lost, and they gave up equally bizarre yardage to the Dolphins (with Henne, CHAD HENNE, at QB) and Chargers. Even Jason Campbell looked vaguely competent at the weekend when he remembered what team he was playing for. I’m not enough of a tactical expert to breakdown why this is happening, but expect to see secondarys across the league improve as the season wears one.

The Lions are for real
Over the last few years, pieces have been added to Detroit to turn them into a more than decent football team. With Suh on one side of the ball, a fit QB, an o-line to protect him and the most mind-bendingly awesome reciever around, the Lions are a team to be feared with. Say what you like about the Cowboy’s collapse at the weekend, but to come back from 24 points down against any team takes some doing. Add that to two come from behind wins over Tampa and Minnesota and you’ve got a team with the balls to match their talent. The Matt Stafford-Calvin Johnson combination looks as good as any other in the league right now, and even triple coverage isn’t stopping Megatron (compare that to Ochocinco, or as I like to call him, Optimus Whine). There are only two unbeaten teams left in the league, both in the NFC North, their first meeting on Thanksgiving could be something special.

The NFC West may not be the worst division in football
Every pre-season we get a lot of hype from journalists, based in the north-east of the USA, about how good the NFC East is, but look at it, LOOK AT IT, is sucks. The top two teams in it are the Giants and the Redskins, the Redskins! The two QBs leading those teams- Eli Manning and Rex Grossman, who combine for more big apple turnovers than Greggs. And as for the Eagles, well the moment VY decided to call them the ‘Dream Team,’ they were screwed. In reality, no-one expected them to go 16-0, and you could forgive the loss to the Falcons, and to some extend the Giants, but the 49ers? A team from the West? The NFC West? The division so bad that I sometimes forget it exists? Come on man, Alex Smith is their QB. Now you may know that I BELIEVE IN ALEX SMITH. But if you’ve got Vick throwing for over 400 yards and Alex Smith is still beating you? Pssshh, if Nnamdi is an island, then it’s one serving up Pina Colada and hot dogs right now. In reality, you’d expect the Eagles to come good, so lets all enjoy it while they suck.

The Titans and Bills have genuine QBs
All the Titans talk going in to the season was about CJ, his hold-out and then predictable explosion. It hasn’t happened, he’s averaging 2.9 yards a carry, yet his team, now without their top-quality reciever in Kenny Britt is 3-1. How has this happened? Well Matt Hasselbeck has found some form and is spreading it around like Big Ben at freshers week, add to that a vaguely competent defence (that leads the league in lack of points allowed) and somehow the Titans look like an actual football team.
As for the Bills? Well there was no talk about them pre-season. Nowt. Nada. Dick. Zilch. Niente. Nil Point. No dice. Aside from me. Yes, I hate to blow my own trumpt (I don’t), but I was banging on for AGES how the Bills need not find a QB as Fitzpatrick was the real deal, and whaddya know, I am right. Sure they’ve got no defence, and a hit and miss run game, but the Bills are fun to watch this season. They beat the Pats from 21 down, engaged in all-out air warfare with the Raiders and then lost to the Bengals. They may not be the most talented team in the league, but for the first time in a while they’re a respectable one, and you can’t take your eyes off them for a second.

Cam is an icon, an entertainer and a half-decent QB, on a really rubbish team (And Dalton isn’t too bad either).
Just look at Cam’s stat-line, turns out every jumped-up college football anaylst was wrong, the boy can ball. Now go back and look at his stat line again. He’s doing that with no run game, no offensive line, no defence and only one decent bloke to throw to, a bloke who looked out of it last season. I love Cam, but did anyone expect him to be THIS good THIS quickly? Sure, the lack of defensive nous mentioned above has helped, but he’s started off like Cliff Richard on his (never-to-happen) wedding night, except this one will last more than 15 seconds.
And I guess a bit of love for Andy Dalton is necessary, yes we all mocked him (and only partially because of his hair), but he’s come in to an awful, awful team and steered them to two wins. Though I’ve not paid enough attention to them to say a lot more.

Aaron Rodgers is ridiculous
The Green Bay offense is permenantly in a hurry. I’ve no idea where Aaron Rodgers has to be, but boy he’s never on the field for long. Wham, bam, downfield, TD, and off Aaron goes, I imagine to check on Favre-cam and laugh at him pressing all the wrong buttons as he plays Madden in his pants. But seriously, if Rodgers ended the playoffs last season good, he’s come back at least as good this term, which is difficult to comprehend. On Sunday as well as throwing for 4 TDs, he ran for 2, and didn’t even go off whining like that his pedigree chum from the Eagles. Sure, he’s got more offensive weapons than the back section of Ann Summers, but that doesn’t make what he’s doing any less impressive. In fact, turning a 52 year old Donald Driver into any kind of weapon is something that could only previously be done in video game ‘Dead Rising.’ (About as niche a reference as I am ever going to make).

Some teams aren’t very good
And by some teams, I mean the Chargers, Jets, Falcons and Steelers. Sure, they’re OK, but look how the way they were bigged up pre-season corresponds to their performances thus far. They’ve been like anyone on any dating website, all fart, no shit. The Chargers are 3-1, without their special teams acting like Rex Ryan at Foot Locker, but they’ve looked really poor getting there, scraping to wins over the Dolphins, Vikings and the Chiefs. The Raiders will push them hard this year, as Al Davis looks on, menacingly.
The Jets and Steelers look like half the teams they were last season. Their defences are no longer imposing and their QBs look about as infallible as Amanda Knox’s ‘I’m innocent’ face. Expect them both to miss the playoffs, there, I said it. That’s last season’s AFC Championship teams, neither in the playoffs. Good gosh ladies of the world, if Big Ben has nothing to do in January, you watch out now. And as for the Falcons, well they’ve managed to win some games without looking in any way impressive. Though this may end up being a good sign.

The Hottest Competition this season is for Andrew Luck
If some teams are depressingly average, there’s some almighty crap out there this season. The Vikings, Colts, Rams and Dolphins are (at time of writing) all winless, whilst the Seahawks, Chiefs and Jags don’t look much better. The Colts are doing an amazing job of showing quite how good Peyton Manning is (just look at how competent the Pats were without Brady a few years back), whilst none of Chad Henne, Tavaris Jackson or Donovan McNabb look like the answer to any question, let alone ‘are you a starting QB?’ The Rams is perhaps the most difficult one to comprehend. On paper they look stronger than the team that were THE DULLEST GAME IN HISTORY away from the playoffs, and yet they are winless, despite having played 3 teams from the NFC East. Expect the battle for the worst regular season record to be fierce from here on in as teams look to secure Andrew Luck in the draft. But don’t expect to see anyone go 0-16, there’s too much crap around for anyone to do that.

And finally, Tony Romo and the Cowboys. We’ve learnt nothing about them. Nothing at all. Because the Cowboys ARE EXACTLY WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE.
 
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Didn't realize that the initial call wasn't what they ended up using... That's a fair point.

But, whether the rule is or isn't shite - And I don't agree with you on that... Look at spiking the ball, or taking a knee, etc... players decided when a play is over all the time - or whether Cruz did or didn't even know it's there, the rule does exist and he did EXACTLY what the rule says to do.

They certainly appear to have bumbled their way to it, but they got it right, by the letter of that rule.
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Yeah, don't get me started on the gayness of taking a knee either.

Spiking the ball is slightly different. It is a play, and you lose a down. It can keep games alive (being the total opposite of the knee in that respect), unless you're Ryan Leaf.

And technically, to the letter of the law, it really does matter if Cruz knew the rule existed - the rule doesn't say any player is downed when they hit the floor. It says they are downed when they declare themselves down. Well, he didn't. He claimed afterwards he thought someone had touched him. At no point did he "give himself up," he thought he'd been caught, and the language is clear - it's a rule contingent on the player's intent.

By the interpretation of the law we saw enforced in the game, any player who trips over, falls down and loses the ball, can be ruled as down as long as their knee hits the floor first.

We saw something similar years ago with Plaxico Burress. He made a catch and landed in a heap. Got right up and spiked the ball. Opponents immediately recovered the ball and turned it over. That was ruled a fumble, and rightfully so. This wasn't that long after Plaxico was drafted (might have been his rookie year), so he probably just got confused with the differences in the downing laws between NCAA and NFL, but he wasn't protected from own dumbassness by officials citing he had given himself up. Because he hadn't. He just mistakenly thought the play was over. Same as Cruz.

My whole life I have never seen that rule enforced in this way. Ever.
 
Rule 7, Section 2, Article 1 states that 'An official shall declare the ball dead and the down ended: (e): when a runner is out of bounds, or declares himself down by falling to the ground, or kneeling, and making no effort to advance.

Isn't that exactly what he did?
 
So you think Cruz's intention was to go down? Because that's what the rule requires.

I saw him falling over and then, thinking he had been downed by contact, dropping the ball.

There's a difference. Or there should be. Because if there is no difference, then any player tripping over and letting go of the ball can be protected from it being declared a fumble if his knee hits first.

The rule there to protect quarterbacks, and I can think of no other instance when a running back has been protected by it. Ever. Maybe they need to be more specific on the wording to ensure against weird interpretations of it, but outside of the officiating crew and the NFL brass (and maybe you) nobody in the world saw it that way. Mike Pereira and Tony Dungy basically expressed disbelief at the ruling. Cruz admitted afterwards he only stopped because he thought he had been downed by contact. Eli Manning couldn't believe it wasn't ruled a fumble. Everyone knows what the rule is there for, and it isn't for what we saw Cruz do.
 
Cowboys - Patriots game so far has been great ... Both defenses playing well, 13-13 late in 4q with Cowboys driving.

Sean Lee with yet another big turnover ...
 
another loss ... not romo's fault this time! 😉

I guess 6-10 it will be ... this team is good enough to be a playoff team imo, but it won't be ... just not mature enough, or capable enough for 60 minutes, to do it ...
 
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just knew it 🙁
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Yah I was hoping for a FG ... but you kinda knew Brady would do it ... average for 58 minutes, the next best thing to Eli Manning for 1 minute and 40 seconds.
 
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