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How good is Minamino gonna be?

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I'm curious though - how many goals and assists do we reckon he'll get?

With Ox injured some more and Shaqiri also not fancied, it opens up a gap.

I think he could end up with 7 or so goals in the league which would be a welcome addition from behind the front 3 where he seems most comfortable
 
Modo said:
Dude has been great in pre season though.
Although, pre season and the real deal are two separate things.
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He was amazing before he joined us too. They mean next to nothing. I hope he can find that form during the season but I guess we’ll see.
 
Hes a very clever player, reminds me a bit of Yossi, but I still cant see where he fits into this team. Hes not going to be a CM in our current system, he doesnt have the pace to play out wide so that really only leaves him as back for Firminos position. I dont see him getting a whole lot of games unless we see a big tactical change that brings a no10 into play.
 
Yes, I see the Yossi comparison too (but a little pacier and aggressive). In more recent times, he’s a further-forward Lallana?

i like him and think he’ll grow into this team by the end of the season. One huge plus is that, quiet as he seems, he seems to be especially psychologically resilient and won’t fail for lack of effort or belief.
 
I think the advantage Lallana had was he suited Klopps style of play well in terms of pressing and recovering the ball which allowed him to get games in midfield as well as further forward. Even then he didnt get a look in once the current team had been assembled because he wasnt really one thing or the other.

I think it would be interesting to see him in a 4-2-3-1 as the most advanced midfielder, weve seen a couple of times last season teams try and pin back our fullbacks and overload us in midfield with some success. We need to have a way to counter it
 
If you had watched yesterday's game, minamino was always in and around the pen when we were attacking, moreso than any of our midfielders have ever done in the past.

He is offering an additional option for our players to go to for quick one-twos and also adding a body in the box when we are attacking.

With Fab and Hendo behind him, we should be well protected. He looks like he could add many goals and assists if he is going to be a permanent feature in the first team.
 
Minamino will shine in a fluid 4231, rotating with Bobby between 9 and 10. He's a much better player the closer to goal he is when his natural finishing instincts kick in. He's not ready to replace any of the front three in a 433 against opposition of any importance. His first touch and passing just isn't as sharp in the deeper areas.

He's mostly been signed as an impact sub, when 433 has pushed teams back, seized control but is struggling to break through the wall. Against Salzberg we saw Klopp combine a switch to 4231 with Minaminos introduction and it certainly won't be the last time.

If Taki is to be a major success here he is required to improve his link up play in the deeper areas to be able to properly compete with Firmino, or convince Klopp that 4231 is the way to go from minute one. Striking a really effective relationship with Bobby on the pitch will help with the later, so the instinctive goal where they combined against Blackpool was great to see.
 
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Squiggles said:
Minamino will shine in a fluid 4231, rotating with Bobby between 9 and 10. He's a much better player the closer to goal he is when his natural finishing instincts kick in. He's not ready to replace any of the front three in a 433 against opposition of any importance. His first touch and passing just isn't as sharp in the deeper areas.

He's mostly been signed as an impact sub, when 433 has pushed teams back, seized control but is struggling to break through the wall. Against Salzberg we saw Klopp combine a switch to 4231 with Minaminos introduction and it certainly won't be the last time.

If Taki is to be a major success here he is required to improve his link up play in the deeper areas to be able to properly compete with Firmino, or convince Klopp that 4231 is the way to go from minute one. Striking a really effective relationship with Bobby on the pitch will help with the later, so the instinctive goal where they combined against Blackpool was great to see.
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Firminamino?
 
He is almost like a second striker or more suited to AM. If Origi plays in front of him in a 4-2-3-1, it will be massive boost for us to rest the likes of Firmino again and again.
Ancelotti used to play a very fluid 4-2-2-2 in his prime days. I know Klopp wont make so drastic changes to the tactics but that also would suit the team where Firmino and Minamino play together with Salah ans Mane playing outside, and pushing inside with Firmino and Minamino as two playmakers behind those two.
 
Without it being a lazy racial comparison, I wonder if Minamino can have a similar impact and style to Son? He has taken a bit of time to adjust to the pace and intensity, but we are starting to see a bit of a similar unorthodox, striker-forward-link player style of player, which is ideal for Klopp that he can do both aspects of the false 9 role. Bobby isn't the greatest finisher nor has vision to play as a slightly deeper AM, but he holds the ball like a traditional forward while having the awareness to operate in compressed and tighter areas of the pitch. Minamino might give better instincts closer to goal, while also drifting around the gaps between midfield and the forward line. If you couple that with Keita also ghosting into threatening areas, you have something approaching a combined playmaker and additional creative/goal threat.
 
mark1975 said:
Without it being a lazy racial comparison, I wonder if Minamino can have a similar impact and style to Son? He has taken a bit of time to adjust to the pace and intensity, but we are starting to see a bit of a similar unorthodox, striker-forward-link player style of player, which is ideal for Klopp that he can do both aspects of the false 9 role. Bobby isn't the greatest finisher nor has vision to play as a slightly deeper AM, but he holds the ball like a traditional forward while having the awareness to operate in compressed and tighter areas of the pitch. Minamino might give better instincts closer to goal, while also drifting around the gaps between midfield and the forward line. If you couple that with Keita also ghosting into threatening areas, you have something approaching a combined playmaker and additional creative/goal threat.
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I don’t think they’re similar at all. Son is the type that will happily take on players in one on one situations and will always look to get in behind defenses as he’s super fast.
Minamino is nowhere near as quick, but has very good ability in tight spaces and finding players with intricate short passes.
It’s why I agree with those saying he might do very well playing behind Bobby. And it’s also why I think it’s the only possible position he could play and survive at the club. He might do a job on the left or right when one of the two attackers are out, but he’d be a downgrade as his style is nothing like the other two (whereas Son for example would work great in those positions) and he’s also way too small to be able to replace Firmino in the centre, especially in the league.
Hopeful Klopp will experiment again with Minamino given a free role behind the three.
 
I see Minamino's success coming more so when Bobby is also on the pitch. They both seem to have great close control and trickery - combining that with Mane & Mo down the wings could be beautiful to watch.
 
juniormember said:
Son is the type that will happily take on players in one on one situations and will always look to get in behind defenses as he’s super fast.
Minamino is nowhere near as quick
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And so the strange and long-running SCM campaign (founded by Brendan) to convince us that almost all of our players move at near-pensioner pace continues. Is this claim that Minamino is 'nowhere near as quick' comes from very reliable empirical evidence, or just a subjective impression? When he was at Salzburg, his pace, which was frequently styled 'exceptional' and 'explosive,' was always cited as one of his greatest strengths. Son (who isn't rated among the top ten fastest Premier League players, so those ones must be practically breaking the sound barrier if he's 'super' quick) plays in a way and a place that shows off his pace more obviously than, so far, Minamino does, but that's another matter.
 
Yeh, he didn't seem to be slow to me when we played against him. And, there are different kinds of 'speed'. If he's working in gaps and spaces then his acceleration is more important than his maximum velocity. He doesn't strike me as the outlet type of player who needs bags of speed on a break.

I'll start to judge him by xmas. And I mean start.
 
All players who play against us, are set to automatically lose abut 5-10mph from their top speed when & if they sign for LFC. Its just the way it is.
 
Our players all lost their pace after Glock stopped recording them from the Melwood bushes. With no one tracking their pace they all stopped sprint training and moved to throw in practice instead. The rest is history.

Bring back Glock.
 
So what’s the deal here? All players run at the same speed? That Salah’s solo goal against Arsenal could be done by any other attacker?
Being in Japan I’ve seen plenty of Minamino.
If anyone can find any clip of him outpacing opponents like Son does in this clip I’d be shocked. Not one exists because he’s slower. Don’t really get why there’s even an argument.
 
Would anyone who has watched more than 90 minutes of football ever compare Minamino to Son if they weren't both Asian? I'd say no but I'm usually wrong about these things but it's also a very 2020 thing to say, so here you go!
 
I thought Minamino in the #10 role behind Bobby, Sadio and Mo didn't work well in the 1st half against Blackpool. Don't think it's his fault as much as the team didn't quite know how to maximize the type of spacing this formation called for – Minamino got lots of the ball, but rarely had a truly dangerous option to pick ahead of him, it was all somehow predictable and easily contained. I think this is what Klopp was referring to in his post-match interview, saying that it's more important to have the overall system working rather than having "flashes" of quality from individual players. In the 2nd half there was noticeable improvement, especially as Firmino started coming deeper to playmake alongside Taki, but it hard to judge whether it was mainly the effect of Klopp's adjustments or Blackpool losing focus after their substitutions.

Surprisingly, the 4-2-3-1 worked better against Arsenal when Minamino nominally played as a left winger with Salah up top, Mane RW and Firmino #10. Minamino kept drifting to the middle, Coutinho-style, opening up the left flank for Robbo which created the overload of players in the middle leading to the kind of short between-the-lines passing game where he thrives. For now, that system seems to be the most promising way to rejig our game to 4-2-3-1 and include Minamino. I suspect Klopp will view this as a plan B with our usual 4-3-3 still the default for most matches.
 
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