Hart on loan?
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Good point, he's quite a legend winning all those titles by himself, whilst Aguero, Silva and Kompany scratched their arses.
Fucking state of that.
Because he became available with less than two weeks of the transfer window to go. Goalkeepers are a very specialised position and it is unlikely any top team would have left it until the last fortnight to decide o their goalkeeping line up.
We certainly didn't.
He's been one of the greatest and certainly most successful Man City goalkeeper in their entire history and that's why he is popular with their fans.
Rightly so. Always been a top keeper and if his level has dipped then fine, happens to them all eventually. It's easy to mock when you're stupid.
He's been a big success for City and is popular with their fanbase. I can't imagine any City fans were really considering goalkeeper a priority position and were it someone other than Pep he'd probably be starting the season for them.
That said, I've never really quite taken to him as a truly top class keeper. He's always been a very good shot stopper when in form but not so great at the other aspects and to be top class you have to be.
Torino is an odd move but I guess he's becoming available at an unfortunate time. No decent clubs need a keeper and there seem to be quite a few good young keepers on the up. Be interesting to see how he gets on.
That said, I've never really quite taken to him as a truly top class keeper. He's always been a very good shot stopper when in form but not so great at the other aspects and to be top class you have to be.
Torino is an odd move but I guess he's becoming available at an unfortunate time. No decent clubs need a keeper and there seem to be quite a few good young keepers on the up. Be interesting to see how he gets on.
Klopp acolytes on one thread, one solitary Hart acolyte on this one. Suddenly. Very suddenly. Where did THAT come from?
He's not a truly top class keeper, and what is so impressive about Man City's pantheon of past keepers? Bert Trautmann and Joe Corrigan? He's no better or more consistent than David James. And if anyone's stupid, he is. You're just in a very contrary mood.
He's far more consistent than James, and his past record shows that. He's performed at a high level for a long time, and been recognised for that, by multiple professional accolades and also trophies.
I find it risible when it's insinuated that Guardiola suddenly arrived and spotted what nobody else could, and that his real level was somehow far lower than Manchester City. He's won a load of trophies and performed - overall - very well for them.
Certainly he's had periods of poor form, and yeah there are signs that he has regressed, but the idea that he's never been a top keeper, or was fooling everyone, is horse-shit. He's been one of the best keepers in the league for years.
Is he a prick? Yeah, seems to be a possibility, but denying his talent is absurd.
He's a very good goalkeeper, but never been at the level of someone like De Gea or pre head injury Cech and he has been error prone. He's made a few howlers over the years for City and been dropped by both of the previous managers (and apparently Mancini was going to be in the market for a new number 1 if he hadn't gotten the boot).
Yes, he was a one man team that Joe Hart. He wasn't just a sweeper keeper but he was also a lesser known striker-keeper and winger keeper too.
..Bruce Grobbelar....
Good one
No it isn't. Brucie pulled off some saves that few other keepers I've ever seen would have got anywhere near. He also dropped some rickets which few other keepers would have committed, but simply to label him a shit keeper is way off beam.
He was very good, but not brilliant. He had a very sound defence in front of him and a forward line that could score more goals than they conceded. Mignolet got close to being in a winning team with a poor defence in front of him. Myths can be made out of all sorts of stats.
You're right, though - you wouldn't win with a genuinely shit keeper. It's not a controversial theory by any stretch of the imagination. Do you need a brilliant one? No. If you have a really superb defence, you can probably get away with having a mediocre keeper. Certainly one, like Hart or David James, who isn't very bright and suffers lapses in concentration. I'd say a title winning side needs a top class back four more than it needs a top class keeper.
So do I. Both Mancini and Pellegrini (and Capello) dropped him several times and warned him he needed to improve.
TBF, my tongue was in cheek there. I played nets a lot as a kid, and he was my absolute hero. I do remember, even then though, being insanely frightened he was going to do something crazy and cost us a goal. He was capable of fantastic, athletic saves, but he was never brilliant at dealing with crosses, and he was prone to absolute howlers. He was never 'a safe pair of hands' but I adored him.
Clemence was the ultimate safe pair of hands. Understated, un-flashy and very astute. I think Shilton created the template of the cocky, self-admiring, self-marketing keeper that the likes of Hart copy today. It was those special shirts with 'P.S.' embossed on the front. They should have read: 'P.S. You're only a goalkeeper!'
At least he fucking came for crosses. I remember towards the end he was dropped for Mike Hooper - briefly - and I sat right behind Hooper for one game at Anfield and he seemed like he was only capable of moving laterally along his goal line.
Disgruntled cries of "Fucking Dracula" ensued
Obviously Hooper was in a line of 2nd choice keepers who were simply terrible. I think the only time I can remember (perhaps up until now if Karius gets fit) of us having two decent keepers was Scott Carson and Sir Breakalot
Sir Who?
Yer man whose name escapes me who was and continued to be the most injury prone keeper ever. Tall. Skinny. Injured.
He wasn't decent. He was fucking shite.
He was too injured to tell for sure, so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.
No true. He played plenty often enough to know he was fucking shit.
Lee Carsley goal in the derby. Kirkland was so slow getting down he's probably still not hit the deck.
Well, he was supposed to be good. In fairness, I missed loads of games in that period.
Lucky you. I hated him so much.
He wasn't skinny either
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