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Definitely possible. And i think the same.

But the diet would go long way too. The new nutritionist is light years ahead of what was there previously

Yeah, again, I think it's a mix of both
 
Then the question has to be why is it only a few footballers who have results like this ?

I have no idea, to be honest.

I reckon loads of footballers are on the juice, though. A mate of mine is an journalist who's main area is athletics, and he is adamant that it will be happening across football, as well as numerous other sports, Rugby, etc.
 
Definitely possible. And i think the same.

But the diet would go long way too. The new nutritionist is light years ahead of what was there previously

It also appears to be one of the qualities thats looked upon very favourably by the stats team when we are recruiting. The players with poor stamina (Can,Coutinho, Ings, Lovren) seem to get moved on or frozen out like Clyne. The players we bring in seem to have endless gas tanks, Gini, Mane, Robbo, Bobby.
 
I have no idea, to be honest.

I reckon loads of footballers are on the juice, though. A mate of mine is an journalist who's main area is athletics, and he is adamant that it will be happening across football, as well as numerous other sports, Rugby, etc.

If you ever delve into the topic you'll find out that it's fairly easy to avoid detection. The starkest example of it being Floyd Landis getting caught during the Tour Dr France because he forgot to put a patch on overnight that would ensure he tested clean. He forgot because because he was pissed , the night before a stage in the middle of the Tour. His teammates on exactly the same regime all tested clean (including Lance Armstrong).

Then there's also the corruption. The difficulty with enforcement even if they do manage to catch someone. Then there's the therapeutic use exemptions - with almost every cyclist claiming to be asthmatic.

It's so remote a possibility that I assume all top level professionals in every sport that can afford to dope are doing so.

Like the testosterone level testing is easy to game - you only have to test within 4 times of the average persons testosterone levels. So just dose up to triple the normal level and you can take PEDs and still be within the rules.
 
Bale had been a professional for years working with top class strength and conditioning coaches and never showed any inclination towards developing that sort of physique. Its even more suspicious when you see that half the Madrid squad looked similar. Ronaldo (who was 100% doped IMO) Bale, Ramos, Kroos all turned into mosters around the same time. Same thing happened at Juve in the late 90s, suddenly everybody was built like a brick wall.
IMO that makes it less suspicious not more. New club, new trainers, new methods and a year later presto new physique to match his clubmates. That doesn't mean PEDs are out of the question, honestly no-one seems to know (though if they were rampant as suggested it's a miracle there hasn't been some leakage somewhere). Haha.
 
I have no idea, to be honest.

I reckon loads of footballers are on the juice, though. A mate of mine is an journalist who's main area is athletics, and he is adamant that it will be happening across football, as well as numerous other sports, Rugby, etc.
Again same question though ... of course some players will be using PEDs but with the club's knowledge? With their internal testing? When we talk about big money how much would a major club have to lose to a scandal like that ? Simply not worth the risk.

Half of these players are as thick as two planks, I can't believe that if it's that widespread none of them have dropped the ball yet, or blown the whistle to get their own back for some perceived slight (esp. after retirement) or a journo hasn't found a smoking gun.
 
Samir Nasri posed for photographs while getting an illegal treatment and got a 6 month ban.
 
Three Premier League clubs have been fined for not keeping WADA up to date on player whereabouts.
 
Dr. Mark Bonar, who was secretly filmed two years ago by The Sunday Times claiming that Premier League footballers were among the 150 elite athletes to whom he prescribed banned drugs, has been struck off the medical register.

Dr. Bonar was found guilty of misconduct at a tribunal last week, ruling that Dr. Bonar showed a "reckless disregard for patient safety” and brought “the reputation of the entire profession into disrepute".

Having been filmed by The Sunday Times claiming that he used banned substances, such as erythropoietin, steroids and human growth hormone and claimed his network of secret “clients” included Premier League footballers, an England cricketer, British Tour de France cyclists and a British boxing champion. The Sunday Times revealed that Dr. Bonar charged athletes thousands of pounds for the use of these illicit substances.

In light of the revelations, The Sunday Times passed on their findings to the General Medical Council, which resulted in the tribunal.
 
Bonar worked with Arsenal, Chelsea and Leicester.

All the information on the prevalence of doping is out there and available.
 
Isnt the Bale pictures taken with a good 4-6 years in between? From his medical/signing to later parts of his Real career. That transformation looks pretty natural over the years.

Goreztka's level of gains in such a short time looks way to much. Several footballers seem to have hit the gym quite a bit during the pandemic.

It is one season, so less than a year. It is still tough but somehow I can accept it. But even then, is there such a difference in weights program between clubs nowadays. I am sure there are some differences but not something that will cause the player to start looking ripped like that.

But Goretzka, no way.
 
Again same question though ... of course some players will be using PEDs but with the club's knowledge? With their internal testing? When we talk about big money how much would a major club have to lose to a scandal like that ? Simply not worth the risk.

Half of these players are as thick as two planks, I can't believe that if it's that widespread none of them have dropped the ball yet, or blown the whistle to get their own back for some perceived slight (esp. after retirement) or a journo hasn't found a smoking gun.

From the other perspective, there have been major scandals in pretty much every other sport but not in football. Somehow footballers are more honest? Or the testing programs are stricter here?

Maybe I sound like a conspiracy theorist, but somehow I get the impression than football organizations are more vested in protecting the elite and super clubs and legendary players than other sports. There is also an incompetency aspect of football authorities which is higher than other organizations such as NBA. I cannot see blatant disregard of financial rules which City or PSG did happening in NBA. I also dont think agencies such as UEFA, FA, LA Liga have the backbone of MLB to purge stars and their records due to doping.

Pep's history of doping. Fuentes and his connections with the Spanish national team, Real Madrid, Barcelona players. The Bayern doctor. The Juve team of 1990s and their "vitamin" shots. I will be surprised if there isn't.
 
We've even had confirmation that the FA issue drugs bans in secret so it doesn't make the news.

With all the money involved nobody is going to start jumping up and down about it.

When MLB cleaned itself up it ultimately led to the game being less entertaining and them suffering reduced viewing figures
 
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Considering it's a big thing. That thread got no love

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Most obvious PED's ever. You don't gain that much in 3 months naturally. Not even remotely possible.
 
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