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How any Liverpool supporter can say meh to the likes of Goetze is beyond me....

Jesus,

Who cares if we have Lallana? We bought him for 25M and what has he actually done? a good load of fuck all if you ask me for that price.... the same can be said for Balotelli, Benteke and a few others.....

This guy is a proven winner, he has won everything there is to win practically and scored the winning goal in a WC Final....

We should thank our lucky stars we are even linked with him after the way we've declined over the last 8/9 years.
 
Rosco said:
Would i sign him for 20-30m on a five year deal ?

Yes, but i'd be wary of extending the contract any further than that.
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So after all that, we should sign him as he's a very talented player but he might lose some ability after 5 years so we should reassess things before he's offered a renewed contract?

I think everyone would agree on that.
 
ILD said:
So after all that, we should sign him as he's a very talented player but he might lose some ability after 5 years so we should reassess things before he's offered a renewed contract?

I think everyone would agree on that.
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He might not be as good as we think in the Premiership though. He could fail.

But the risk of that is worth the cost and the potential reward
 
Rosco said:
I tell you these things all the time.

Even your phrase ' wasn't good enough for United' tells me you're looking at things too simplistically - like a Fifa 16 ratings kinda way.

You need to keep in mind a few things, the two main ones in Di Maria's case:
1. The Premiership being the toughest league in Europe to play in. Also the most physically demanding.
2. The fact that most AM's are better in their early 20's rather than late 20's.

Combine both together and you've got a recipe for disaster with a 26/27 year old attacking mid £60m signing.

I'm not surprised he's shown improvement in a really shite league.

And i was on hiatus when Di Maria signed so i can't bump a thread to show you how right I was.
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Once again, I was never talking about the value of the deal, this is an irrelevance, I called him a coup because his talent could of landed him a club in a far better position than United were at that moment in time, even if he was starting to decline as you suspect, why do you find it so hard to agree with that statement? It's clearly true, as was evidenced by his first couple of months at United, where he was their best player.
 
Mystic said:
Once again, I was never talking about the value of the deal, this is an irrelevance, I called him a coup because his talent could of landed him a club in a far better position than United were at that moment in time, even if he was starting to decline as you suspect, why do you find it so hard to agree with that statement? It's clearly true, as was evidenced by his first couple of months at United, where he was their best player.
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About 5 other clubs in world football can spend 60m and 250k a week on a player. Bayern, Barca, United, Chelsea,City. If anyone of those wanted him they could have had him.
 
Speaking to German reporters one week before the Europa League clash with his old club Dortmund, Klopp refused to comment on the rumours, and said that he would rather discuss the signing of Joel Matip, who is set to join Liverpool on a free transfer from BVB's fierce rivals Schalke next season.

"We can talk about Matip or something else, but not Mario," Klopp said, but added that he was delighted for his former star player because of his performance against Italy.

"I am happy that he put in a good performance yesterday. But there is nothing to add from my side. He's a player with extraordinary abilities and wants to return to full fitness after four months on the sidelines."
 
Fabio said:
If klopp wants him, he knows how he trains and generally all About him.

I'm skeptical of the article
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Yup, he played his best football in a team renowned for pressing and the vigorous training that goes with it, so it sounds like bullshit to me. We struggled to accomodate Sahin because his workrate wasn't great, whereas Klopp utilised him well, so I'm hopeful he could get the best from Goetze again.
 
mark1975 said:
Yup, he played his best football in a team renowned for pressing and the vigorous training that goes with it, so it sounds like bullshit to me. We struggled to accomodate Şahin because his workrate wasn't great, whereas Klopp utilised him well, so I'm hopeful he could get the best from Goetze again.
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Nah, we failed to accommodate Sahin because Rodgers insisted on playing him in some weird arse playmaker position, and not in the position he played at Dortmund.

The article is definitely bogus though, as if Klopp would be blindsided by Goetze being lazy in training, the guy practically taught him football, he knows all there is to know about his mentality / work ethic.
 
Maybe , Munich was the big move for Goetze , he thought he made it and his work ethic curtailed accordingly .

I'm not saying that's the case but he'd hardly be the first player to do so , if that were the case
 
I think Scholl is spinning on behalf of Bayern. The narrative so far has been that Goetze has been underused by Bayern and that it's been a bad move for him, so Scholl is shifting the blame on Goetze.
 
Please help me out if I'm wrong, but hasn't Goetze only recently recovered from a hammy injury and doesn't he have a couple of great players to displace for a regular place?
 
Fabio said:
If klopp wants him, he knows how he trains and generally all About him.

I'm skeptical of the article
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I think Scholl's observation is correct about the difference between him now and at Dortmund.

But i think there's a very simple explanation for it - injuries.
 
Reminded of this interview back in 2013

[article]Klopp has previously compared Bayern to a remorseless superpower like China but he waves away that reminder. "I was tired," he smiles. "Bayern want a decade of success like Barça. That's OK if you have the money because it increases the possibility of success. But it's not guaranteed. We are not a supermarket but they want our players because they know we cannot pay them the same money. It could not be our way to do things like Real and Bayern and not think about taxes – and let the next generation pick up our problems. We need to work seriously and sensibly. We have this amount of money so we can pay that amount. But we lose players. Last year it was Shinji Kagawa."

He hits his head with his palm. "Shinji Kagawa is one of the best players in the world and he now plays 20 minutes at Manchester United – on the left wing! My heart breaks. Really, I have tears in my eyes. Central midfield is Shinji's best role. He's an offensive midfielder with one of the best noses for goal I ever saw. But for most Japanese people it means more to play for Man United than Dortmund. We cried for 20 minutes, in each others' arms, when he left. One year before that Nuri Sahin went because Real Madrid is the biggest club in the world. [Sahin is back at Dortmund after just four appearances for Madrid and an unhappy loan spell at Liverpool]. If players are patient enough we can develop the team into one of the biggest in the world."

When asked about the cruel loss of Götze, the 45-year-old is initially philosophical. "It's absolutely normal that people go different ways. At 18 I wanted to see the whole world. But I am only in Mainz and Dortmund since then and … [Klopp laughs] it's not the middle of the world. It's OK that they want to go to different places. But they get there and, shit, it's not the same. Look, you work for the Guardian, and sometimes you see your colleagues and think: 'Oh no, the same old thing every day.' Maybe you want to go to the S**? More money, less work. More photographs, [fewer] words."

His laughter dies and he looks suddenly stricken when I ask about his shock after he heard Götze would be gone this summer. "It was like a heart attack. It was one day after Málaga [whom Dortmund beat with two desperately late goals in the quarter-final]. I had one day to celebrate and then somebody thought: 'Enough, go back down on the floor.' At our training ground Michael Zorc [the general manager] walked in like somebody had died. He said: 'I have to tell you something. It's possible that …'"

Klopp can't bring himself to repeat the words. "Michael asked if I wanted to talk and I said: 'No, I have to go.' That evening my wife was waiting because there's a very good German actor, and a good friend, Wotan Wilke Möhring, in a new film in Essen and we were invited to the premiere. But I walked in and told her: 'No chance. I cannot speak. It's not possible to take me out tonight.' There were all these calls from the club – we should meet in a restaurant and speak. I said: 'No, I have to be on my own.' Tomorrow I'll be back in the race – but not tonight."

Some Dortmund players were so affected they could not sleep after hearing Götze's news. "That's the truth," Klopp concedes. "I called six or seven players who I knew were damaged in the heart. They thought they were not good enough – and they wanted to win together. That's the reason it hurt them so much. But Bayern told Mario: 'It's now or never.' I told him they will come next year. They will come in two years, and then three years. But he's 20 and he thought: 'I must go.' I know how difficult it will be to find a player to replace Götze but, next year, we will play differently. It just takes time."[/article]
 
| Klopp confirmed to Sport1 that the 3 main markets for new players are Germany, France and Spain.
 
Germany legend urges Mario Gotze to snub Liverpool

Gotze would benefit more at Borussia Dortmund says German legend
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Mario Gotze of Germany celebrates after scoring the second goal during the international friendly match between Germany and Italy at Allianz Arena on March 29, 2016 in Munich (Photo by Claudio Villa/Getty Images)
Germany legend Lothar Matthaus has urged Mario Gotze to snub Liverpool and rejoin Borussia Dortmund this summer.
The Bayern Munich attacker is weighing up his options after falling out of favour under Pep Guardiola at the Allianz Arena.
Gotze, who is approaching the final year of his contract, is desperate to kick-start his career and is open to the idea of being reunited with Jurgen Klopp at Anfield.
However, Matthaus believes the 23-year-old would be better off returning to Dortmund – the club he left in a £30million deal three years ago.
“Gotze back to Dortmund would simply be a good fit,” Matthaus told Bild.
“Our World Cup hero is a child of the Borussia Dortmund academy.
“He might have ruined it for some fans following his move to Bayern, but I feel he does not owe anyone an apology over his decision to go for a new challenge elsewhere.
“Things unfortunately didn't pan out as everybody expected. But both Gotze and Dortmund know from each other what they bring to the table. He will soon win the fans over again after his first few goals for BVB.
“Would a return to Dortmund mean he has failed at Bayern? I think that would be harsh to say.
“He won two Bundesliga titles with Dortmund and he will win his fifth title in total if Bayern win it this season.
“These successes with Bayern, in which he had a hand, prove him right for joining them. But it's also a fact that he has been unable to become a undisputed starter like Thomas Muller.
“The reason behind all this is not just Gotze's quality or his mentality. The marriage between Gotze and Bayern was a misunderstanding right from the start.”
 
As if Bayern would let him return to Dortmund, and as if Dortmund would cough up that much money for someone they let leave on a free three years ago.
 
He was a TV studio pundit for England-v-Germany recently. His English actually wasn't too bad, but his general demeanour was that of a rather stupid rabbit caught in some fast approaching headlights.
 
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Mystic said:
As if Bayern would let him return to Dortmund, and as if Dortmund would cough up that much money for someone they let leave on a free three years ago.
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I can't believe you confused Gotze and Lewandowski!





(as I did a couple of days ago)
 
Judge Jules said:
He was a TV studio pundit for England-v-Germany recently. His English actually wasn't too bad, but his general demeanour was that of a rather stupid rabbit caught in some fast approaching headlights.
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I enjoyed it, as be got more into his posture went crazy , started learning back and trying to get arm around Ian Wright whilst talking absolute drivel
 
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