For those saying that Kenny deserves another year
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Well, so much for turning over a new leaf
I'm sorry - I was only referring to this thread.
Oh I've tried.
Try understanding that maybe I'm the one feeling wound up.
"You are portraying youself as a historyless sore loser "
" idiot"
then there's someone Gkmacca who has to make some snide remark like,
"Of course he can."
anyway, going back to kenny, there are certain things I want to see from the team;
high defensive line
attacking fullbacks
pressing in numbers
attacking in numbers
quick interchanges in and around the box
roy didn't do this and didn't look like doing this so I wanted him out because I knew his brand of football ULTIMATELY would get us nowhere. I was thinking about the long term not the short term.
is kenny doing the above? to be honest not a lot recently but he HAS done and we were doing it at the start of the season but I know he has it in him and that is why I'm prepared to give him time to perfect this style of play because I think that is where I think he ultimately wants be.
high defensive line
attacking fullbacks
pressing in numbers
attacking in numbers
quick interchanges in and around the box
roy didn't do this and didn't look like doing this so I wanted him out because I knew his brand of football ULTIMATELY would get us nowhere. I was thinking about the long term not the short term.
is kenny doing the above? to be honest not a lot recently but he HAS done and we were doing it at the start of the season but I know he has it in him and that is why I'm prepared to give him time to perfect this style of play because I think that is where I think he ultimately wants be.
Kenny Dalglish should certainly stay and be trusted to run the team. He has great experience and good assistants.The last thing we need is further change. As if we haven't had enough as it is? Seven new players and off-field controversies would make any Managers job difficult. Things need to be worked at over time and not enough of it has passed to make big decisions.
If there is something lacking, it's with the clubs management; in that the owners are not hands on enough for my liking.They should be helping to shape the clubs ethos and philosophy going forward and to do that they need to be here more often.
If there is something lacking, it's with the clubs management; in that the owners are not hands on enough for my liking.They should be helping to shape the clubs ethos and philosophy going forward and to do that they need to be here more often.
Now there's a shock!
hey, it's what I want to see and if I don't see it then obviously I'm not going to be pleased.
Kelly is an attacking fullback mate - you're right
You must have spent most of your life feeling really pissed off then
No. He'll get it anyway, as he should.
it's been very frustrating watching us recently, seeing the main striker isolated, seeing us commiting a couple of bodies to the attack and then being surprised when we fail to create chances but yourself in the shoes of the footballs where in previous games you have commited a lot of bodies to the attack (as we have at times this season) only to see the other team score with pretty much their only shot at goal, that MUST effect your confidence and your willingness to get forwards.
put the attacking fullbacks to one side for and minute and think about my general point and my general point is at times under kenny's watch we HAVE played good football and we have played in the correct manner. I think there have been few games this season where we DESERVED to lose and more often than not we've created enough chances to win the game but fluffed our lines. you fluff your lines enough times and that is going to effect you adversely, it HAS to.
so we've seen the good (last season/early part of this season) and the bad (result since the turn of the year) so the question is you know kenny has it in him to play great football AND get good results so do we throw that all away and start from scratch taking into consideration that we are going to have to pay off kenny and all his staff if we decide to remove him.
please don't focus on the attacking fullbacks in my post I want to take football as I'm sick to death of reading arguements so I'm trying to start a conversation
put the attacking fullbacks to one side for and minute and think about my general point and my general point is at times under kenny's watch we HAVE played good football and we have played in the correct manner. I think there have been few games this season where we DESERVED to lose and more often than not we've created enough chances to win the game but fluffed our lines. you fluff your lines enough times and that is going to effect you adversely, it HAS to.
so we've seen the good (last season/early part of this season) and the bad (result since the turn of the year) so the question is you know kenny has it in him to play great football AND get good results so do we throw that all away and start from scratch taking into consideration that we are going to have to pay off kenny and all his staff if we decide to remove him.
please don't focus on the attacking fullbacks in my post I want to take football as I'm sick to death of reading arguements so I'm trying to start a conversation
Had you bothered to read it properly, you might have seen that my previous post was based on Rafa's wish to come back to LFC, which isn't going to happen. It's got bugger all to do with how I rate him as a manager. If you'd been on here longer you'd have seen me defending him more than most.
No, it's still a "no", because I don't share your starting assumption that Kenny should go regardless.
The main problem for me is that we have too many passengers in the team and it's been a problem ever since Alonso left. Even then we didn't have enough suitable replacements for when Torres and Gerrard were injured.
If you really want us playing in the way you're suggesting we need at least two or three top class signings, like Barnes said. We need to have a team that isn't reliant on Suarez or Gerrard to create some magic in order for us to win.
I'm obviously in the Kenny should leave camp. I've taken everything positive and negative from this season into consideration and I see it as the only solution.
Winning the league cup and possibly the FA cup and finishing 36 points more or less, behind the leaders isn't good enough.
I don't buy into the we're unlucky excuse or the one about us hitting the post all the time.
Personally I think Kenny leaving after winning two cups is the best possible send off for him, I'm afraid that if he stays it'll get worse.
That's all I have to say on the matter.
If you really want us playing in the way you're suggesting we need at least two or three top class signings, like Barnes said. We need to have a team that isn't reliant on Suarez or Gerrard to create some magic in order for us to win.
I'm obviously in the Kenny should leave camp. I've taken everything positive and negative from this season into consideration and I see it as the only solution.
Winning the league cup and possibly the FA cup and finishing 36 points more or less, behind the leaders isn't good enough.
I don't buy into the we're unlucky excuse or the one about us hitting the post all the time.
Personally I think Kenny leaving after winning two cups is the best possible send off for him, I'm afraid that if he stays it'll get worse.
That's all I have to say on the matter.
what the criteria for a liverpool manager?
a) progress season on season?
or
b) to ultimately challenge for/win the league
I guess you can say 'both' but if you get rid if 'a' isn't achieved then you aren't giving the manager a chance to achieve 'b' and there have been cases in football where 'b' was achieved while at first struggling with 'a'.
managers need time and if you are going to go down the road of getting rid at the first sign of trouble then you are making a rod for your own back. it's like a ref that books a player with the very first challenge in a derby, that is the road you have to go down so it makes it difficult to step back from that.
a) progress season on season?
or
b) to ultimately challenge for/win the league
I guess you can say 'both' but if you get rid if 'a' isn't achieved then you aren't giving the manager a chance to achieve 'b' and there have been cases in football where 'b' was achieved while at first struggling with 'a'.
managers need time and if you are going to go down the road of getting rid at the first sign of trouble then you are making a rod for your own back. it's like a ref that books a player with the very first challenge in a derby, that is the road you have to go down so it makes it difficult to step back from that.
I don't think the problem is that at all I think the problem is we've lost key personnel and we have changed the structure and set up of our team to fill the games. agger got injured and the nautral replacement was coates, you could have kept the same shape but we recalled carra and dropped deep as a result.
we lost lucas and gerrard dropped into the center of midfield and I'm sorry but he doesn't have the displine or intelligence to play there so our shape has been all over the place, our play is rushed and impatient and we have next to no control of the midfield.
it's got fuck all to do with an over relience on players, if your shape and tactics are correct you don't have to rely on any one individual rescue you.
What? I'm fucking delightful. You could eat your dinner off my posts in this topic. I'm being oppressed.
You're the 1%
For me Neil it's "A" first and foremost. Progress woul lead into "B", a title challenge.
I just don't see that we've made any progress this season.
Many of us might disagree on what the term progress would mean in relation to the club. For me winning a cup isn't.
Winning a cup while challenging for top four honours is, when coming from a trophy-less season and having spent a lot money on improving the squad.
We ended the last season with a good squad. We had a solid foundation.
---------------Reina
Johnson Agger Skrtel Aurelio
--------Lucas Meireles
--------------Gerrard
Kuyt -------Suarez---------Maxi
In the summer we got a bonus in Aquilani. Still there were positions that needed strengthening. We needed wingers, and a left fullback IMO.
We bought Enrique, great. We bought Downing, OK.
What confused me was, why did we have to go and dismantle the midfield?
So this summer we're back to square one IMO, excluding Enrique of course.
Sure we have a strong squad, but will we be able to recoup any of the cash that was spent in the last window? Is Kenny and his staff again gonna be trusted to find the right players?
I just can't see it happening. As opposed to some saying that they can't see Kenny getting sacked after winning two trophies.
I just don't see that we've made any progress this season.
Many of us might disagree on what the term progress would mean in relation to the club. For me winning a cup isn't.
Winning a cup while challenging for top four honours is, when coming from a trophy-less season and having spent a lot money on improving the squad.
We ended the last season with a good squad. We had a solid foundation.
---------------Reina
Johnson Agger Skrtel Aurelio
--------Lucas Meireles
--------------Gerrard
Kuyt -------Suarez---------Maxi
In the summer we got a bonus in Aquilani. Still there were positions that needed strengthening. We needed wingers, and a left fullback IMO.
We bought Enrique, great. We bought Downing, OK.
What confused me was, why did we have to go and dismantle the midfield?
So this summer we're back to square one IMO, excluding Enrique of course.
Sure we have a strong squad, but will we be able to recoup any of the cash that was spent in the last window? Is Kenny and his staff again gonna be trusted to find the right players?
I just can't see it happening. As opposed to some saying that they can't see Kenny getting sacked after winning two trophies.
Let's get AVB in then. He cleaned up with Chelsea by doing those things
I like the red part. You are absolutely right and that's what's wrong with the team. Hence why Suarez/Gerrard are being forced to get by three players in order for us to create a chance.
But we don't have the right personnel to play the way you want to us to play. We never did this season, despite Lucas, Agger and Gerrard getting injured.
shankly division 1
1963-64 - 1 - champions
1964-65 - 7 - sacked?
1965-66 - 1 - champions
1966-67 - 5 - sacked?
1967-68 - 3 - progress
1968-69 - 2 - progress
1969-70 - 5 - sacked?
1970-71 - 5 - sacked?
1971-72 - 3 - progress
1972-73 - 1 - champions
imho chelsea weren't attacking in numbers hence why they found it hard to create chances, their shape was all wrong.
So they weren't attacking in numbers but they conceded loads anyway.
Sounds like a genius plan. At least we haven't conceded loads while not attacking.
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