Poll Firmino - Is he good enough?

[moron]

I think @manwithnoname , had a very good point regards his goal scoring last season without actually giving him that much credit for his hard work. But the one thing that has been obvious about him from the start is that he is the most clinical of finishers of our front three and even when Coutinho was here. I think @rurikbird is spot on regarding that point. Now here's something you guys are not gonna like - I actually think he is a classic number 9 of the old school, but Klopp is making him do more and his system does not allow for a single person to be fed like your normal striker. The striker you can compare him to this season is Arsenal's Lacazette - who is not as prolific as he was in France, and like Firminio has been doing much of the facilitating for others to score.

That goal on Sunday - is a game changer for him because its the first time I have seen him take a defender on and score - he does not have the pace as Salah, or Mane but he does have a lethal shot on him and a bit of bulk - and he is improving all the time from what we are all seeing. I think he is going to be to us what he is to Klopp in this second half of the season if he continues on this trajectory. Fantastic first touch, trickery in tight spaces, and an increasing ability to hold the ball up. That said I think if we are all honest - I can't see him being the guy that will win us games if he does not have Mane, or Salah to support him up front. You cannot rely upon him like you could with Mane, or Salah as the single striker.

Also - for those with a love for Sturridge - all I can say is that it is unfounded - because his scoring record is not that great apart from THAT one season with us. You can excuse him for his injuries but again that's not an excuse because what is the point of having a player if you can't use him in majority of the games ? - its pointless and worse than if he is on the pitch and not scoring. The manager cannot rely on him even when fit because he probably would not last 90 minutes these days.

 

[rurikbird]

I think @manwithnoname , had a very good point regards his goal scoring last season without actually giving him that much credit for his hard work. But the one thing that has been obvious about him from the start is that he is the most clinical of finishers of our front three and even when Coutinho was here. I think @rurikbird is spot on regarding that point.

Huh? That’s not what I said at all. And how you can even compare the “clinicalness” of Firmino to Coutinho when they get completely different types of scoring chances due to difference in position and playing style.

 

[Ryan]

I’m bothered by the thread title - I think we are way past the argument of whether Bobby is “good enough” for LFC and now the only question is whether moving him deeper and playing someone like Salah (or Aubameyang) in front of him would make even more of his abilities. I think the OP meant to focus on that, but the title suggests something else.

Firmino reminds me a bit of Ruud Gullit, whom I admittedly didn’t get to see much, but the glimpses of what I saw of him - kind of an all-around player with unique offensive, defensive and physical qualities who, rather than adjusting his game to demands of a particular position, simply plays the game his way wherever he is on the pitch; somebody whose range of talents transcends a specific role. He is way too much of a free spirit to become the kind of precise cold-blooded finisher that Brendan and a few others prefer (not entirely without justification, it has to be said) to see playing up front and that quality can be frustrating at times - even against City (where he was otherwise magnificent) he lost the ball a couple of times in the closing stages by trying something fancy when the logic of the game needed him to play simply and reliably. I guess that part will never go away and it’s just a reflection of who he is - good and bad, but mostly really, really good.

Where Brendan was dead wrong was in denying Firmino’s ABILITY to be a good finisher - focusing on the relatively low scoring numbers of his first 2 seasons in England as the only evidence that matters and entirely ignoring the obvious technical ability, work-rate and tactical acumen that should have eventually resulted in better stats, his previous higher scoring numbers in Germany and the possibility of improvement with age and due to Klopp’s coaching - Brendan practically made it his mission to ridicule everyone who dared to suggest that Firmino might become a 15-20 goals a season striker and dismiss them as hopelessly naive at best. Now that Firmino is well on his way to doing exactly what Brendan’s objects of scorn were arguing he was capable of, he is trying to turn around and adopt the pose of “a dispassionate objective observer responding to change of evidence,” which is rather amusing to watch.

The question in the poll doesn’t have much to do with Firmino - it’s all about whether we think the likes of Sturridge, Ings, Origi, Solanke and Woodburn (sadly not Brewster any more as he will be sidelined for an extended period of time) are good enough to deputize or complement Firmino - and presently the consensus is that they are not.

And that's why you're one of the best football-related posters on this site.

 

[moron]

Huh? That’s not what I said at all. And how you can even compare the “clinicalness” of Firmino to Coutinho when they get completely different types of scoring chances due to difference in position and playing style.

Sorry when I talked about clinical I actually meant the 'finishing' - I mean when they are in the box and score instinctively like you would expect a striker to - Firminio is number one in our team. I actually trust Firminio more in those situations than any of the others. But because of his role in the team - he won't be in those scoring positions as much as the others. He's always working hard to make space for the others.

 

[Rosco]

So what do we think is behind his improved form, aside from losing all that weight of course?

Are we looking at an improved player who is more settled and comfortable? Purple patch of form? A run of 'luck' as Rosco alluded to earlier? Good coaching? Having Salah in the team?

I guess it's a mix of all of those. Anything else?

His good performances are more frequent than before - as said above he was poor when played out wide and he doesn't olay out there anymore.
I'd also speculate that his drink driving conviction might have forced him into a rethink about his off the field activities which could also explain his greater consistency.

The extra goals - could be explained by 'luck' or possibly higher quality chances on account of his central position and the other goalscoring threats in the team.
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[Insignificance]

Hahahahahaha

Did you actually write "what a terrible footballer" and the you laugh at others posting? Hahaha

 

[mark1975]

Did you actually white "what a terrible footballer" and the you laugh at others posting? Hahaha

Were you thinking about Bobby's teeth when you wrote this?

 

[Insignificance]

Were you thinking about Bobby's teeth when you wrote this?

I allways do. How can you not?

 

[DHSC]

Anyone have a video of him celebrating Salah's goal vs Man City before it even went in?

I think he has naturally improved while also benefiting from having Salah and Mane come in to the team.

 

[manwithnoname]

When Dreamy comes in & explains the thread & debate perfectly you all damn well know its clear cut.

No offence Pat!

I've read Dreamy's post about 15 times and I'm beginning to think he might have actually wrote it.

Bravo Dreamy

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Footy365.com's feature on Bobby today:

[article]‘The committee have yet to explain how they came up with the figure of £29million to sign Brazilian forward Roberto Firmino from Hoffenheim, who finished eighth in the Bundesliga last season.’

It was a sentence that was supposed to condemn Liverpool’s famed transfer committee. Head of recruitment at the time, Michael Edwards, was the intended target, as Neil Ashton scoffed at what he considered a risible valuation. But little over two years on from a Daily Mail piece that has aged about as well as ’90s fashion, the point remains: exactly how did Liverpool sign Roberto Firmino for £29m?

As the Brazilian shrugged off £47.5m John Stones before chipping the ball over £34.3m Ederson at a raucous Anfield, it was impossible not to wonder. “Firmino is one of the most underrated players in the Premier League,” crowed Jamie Carragher on Sunday. “He’s the first name on the teamsheet.”

Yet even at Liverpool, this is a player who has never demanded centre stage. He was the club’s third-top scorer in each of his first two seasons, and now trails behind Mohamed Salah. He started fewer Premier League games than James Milner in 2015/16, and was named in fewer match-day squads than Ragnar Klavan in 2016/17. He was overshadowed by Philippe Coutinho, unfairly cast as the club’s lesser Brazilian talent. He has excelled as a member of the supporting cast, not as a lead actor.

Something has certainly changed. No Liverpool player has played more games or featured for more minutes in all competitions this season. A man who has had to overcome Christian Benteke, Daniel Sturridge and Divock Origi in the battle to become Jurgen Klopp’s striker has endured and evolved into his manager’s most important asset.

It has not been easy. Firmino started his career in Brazil as a full-back and then a centre-half, before finally settling as a defensive midfielder in the youth system at his first club. He was only used in more advanced positions when he broke through at Figueirense as a teenager. Then at Hoffenheim, his greatest success came as a No. 10 behind the free-scoring Anthony Modeste.

This was the position he would eventually reprise at Liverpool. Brendan Rodgers initially used Firmino as a right-winger – and famously a right wing-back at Manchester United – before his sacking in October 2015, before Klopp sought to replicate his successful Bundesliga partnership with Modeste, using Benteke as the central striker.

The results were mixed. Each of Firmino’s best displays in his debut season came as a centre-forward. He assisted one goal in a fine 3-1 victory over Chelsea in October, scored one and set two up in a 4-1 win against Manchester City in November, netted twice in a 3-3 draw with Arsenal in January 2016, and impressed against both Norwich and Sunderland. He scored or assisted 11 Premier League goals in eight starts as a centre-forward in 2015/16, and seven in 16 starts as a right-winger or No. 10. The difference was stark, and Klopp took notice.

“I wasn’t a striker before but as I’ve been adapting into this position I’ve liked it more and more,” Firmino said earlier this week. “I feel really comfortable and really adapted to it. Since Jürgen Klopp became our manager, this has been my new position.”

The faith placed in Firmino by his manager was clear from the summer. Manchester United, Arsenal and Chelsea all spent club-record fees on strikers, while Tottenham signed a £15m back-up; Manchester City purchased Gabriel Jesus in January and pursued Alexis Sanchez over the last two transfer windows. Klopp signed Dominic Solanke, and resisted all calls to sign a more natural central striker. Firmino’s response has been to match the numbers produced by his Premier League peers – he has scored as many goals in all competitions as Romelu Lukaku, and only four players have outscored him.

To thrive as a centre-forward under Klopp is no simple task. His style demands work-rate, intelligence, movement, fluidity, flexibility and a willingness to commit to the cause. For Klopp, Gegenpressing is the quickest route to goalscoring, and Firmino is the perfect navigator. To that effect, he embodies Liverpool’s attack.

Since Klopp’s October 2015 appointment, Firmino has made nine more appearances, scored three more goals and provided seven more assists than any Liverpool player. Many wondered who would take Philippe Coutinho’s mantle, but Firmino was already the club’s most important player.

It was Firmino who led the charge against the runaway league leaders on Sunday. He scored, he assisted, he tackled, he created. He was the facilitator of a thrilling victory, improving the performances of each of his teammates. As Klopp said in November, he “looks like the engine of the team”.

It is a description Firmino has embraced. “I like to work hard,” he said earlier this week. “I like to drop back and help defend because that then turns into attack, turns into goals, so I don’t mind being called the ‘engine’ of the team.”

But actions speak louder than words, and Firmino’s message grows more deafening with each passing game. Since the start of the 2015/16 season, he has made a combined 213 tackles and interceptions in the Premier League. Wilfried Zaha (196), Alexis Sanchez (175) and Marko Arnautovic (157) are struggling to keep the pace.

The cliché goes that attack is the best form of defence, but if the opposite is true then Firmino is one of [bcolor=transparent]Europe’s most effective forwards. [/bcolor]​

[bcolor=transparent]He is[/bcolor]Liverpool’s engine, engine No. 9, the perfect striker for Klopp’s system. And he somehow only cost £29m.[/article]

 

[manwithnoname]

I’m bothered by the thread title - I think we are way past the argument of whether Bobby is “good enough” for LFC and now the only question is whether moving him deeper and playing someone like Salah (or Aubameyang) in front of him would make even more of his abilities. I think the OP meant to focus on that, but the title suggests something else.

Firmino reminds me a bit of Ruud Gullit, whom I admittedly didn’t get to see much, but the glimpses of what I saw of him - kind of an all-around player with unique offensive, defensive and physical qualities who, rather than adjusting his game to demands of a particular position, simply plays the game his way wherever he is on the pitch; somebody whose range of talents transcends a specific role. He is way too much of a free spirit to become the kind of precise cold-blooded finisher that Brendan and a few others prefer (not entirely without justification, it has to be said) to see playing up front and that quality can be frustrating at times - even against City (where he was otherwise magnificent) he lost the ball a couple of times in the closing stages by trying something fancy when the logic of the game needed him to play simply and reliably. I guess that part will never go away and it’s just a reflection of who he is - good and bad, but mostly really, really good.

Where Brendan was dead wrong was in denying Firmino’s ABILITY to be a good finisher - focusing on the relatively low scoring numbers of his first 2 seasons in England as the only evidence that matters and entirely ignoring the obvious technical ability, work-rate and tactical acumen that should have eventually resulted in better stats, his previous higher scoring numbers in Germany and the possibility of improvement with age and due to Klopp’s coaching - Brendan practically made it his mission to ridicule everyone who dared to suggest that Firmino might become a 15-20 goals a season striker and dismiss them as hopelessly naive at best. Now that Firmino is well on his way to doing exactly what Brendan’s objects of scorn were arguing he was capable of, he is trying to turn around and adopt the pose of “a dispassionate objective observer responding to change of evidence,” which is rather amusing to watch.

The question in the poll doesn’t have much to do with Firmino - it’s all about whether we think the likes of Sturridge, Ings, Origi, Solanke and Woodburn (sadly not Brewster any more as he will be sidelined for an extended period of time) are good enough to deputize or complement Firmino - and presently the consensus is that they are not.

I'm bemused as to why this season - so far - is a true reflection of his quality and goalscoring prowess, and the previous two are not.

And as for the competition he currently has, well, I don't think a broken Sturridge, a shite Origi, or the likes of Ings, Woodburn and Solanke are tough fucking competition for any striker. Which is why we still need another one.

As for him scoring 15-20 goals, my scorn was largely aimed at those who said he definitely would last season, like it was a given, and the previous season was him "settling in/ Brendan Rodgers fault/ playing in the wrong position/ blah blah". However, the main issue I was making - and still do - is that if Firmino cannot score 15-20 league goals, then we need to find a player who can, because that's what teams who win the title almost always have.

Again, during Firmino's purple patch before Xmas last season, the usual throwbacks rushed into a slavering pile-on, whooping like apes as they repeated in monotone:

"See! See! You are not the master of us! WE ARE RIGHT....The Firmino - he score LOTS! We not need big goalscorer! WE TOP OF LEAGUE! We score MOST goal! Firmino he score 20!"

And then he didn't score again for about 12 games, we weren't top of the league anymore, we weren't top scorers anymore, the howling divvies quietened back down (again) and Klopp went out and bought a 20-plus goal attacker, like some of us said we needed. And here we are.

And now even Firmino is scoring lots. Wonders!

(Why is your text so weird? Are you trying to stand out?)

 

[Hansern]

The flabby melt is boss! Love him!

 

[ILD]

(Why is your text so weird? Are you trying to stand out?)

Says Brendan, who uses CAPITALS, italics and bold text in a lot of his posts for added effect 😉.

 

[ILD]

I think we can put the Frimino debate to bed.

Frimino is a brilliant footballer and he is integral to how we play. No one would dismiss the opportunity to sign reliable goalscorers. You can want to sign reliable goalscorers and still think Frimino is a great player. That seems to be the most rational understanding of the situation.

 

[Insignificance]

I think we can put the Frimino debate to bed.

Frimino is a brilliant footballer and he is integral to how we play. No one would dismiss the opportunity to sign reliable goalscorers. You can want to sign reliable goalscorers and still think Frimino is a great player. That seems to be the most rational understanding of the situation.

I said in the summer that we should sign a striker as I thought Studge would not be sufficient cover for Firmino given his injury record. I think it was a statement of beliefe in Studge from Klopp that we kept him, and he was also given playing time in the early part of the season. I can imagine People go bananas if we sold him in the summer and he started to score goals again, and it was pssible fair to give him the chance to Challenge for a spot. He has not delivered at all, and hence we need some goalscoring striker to come in and take his Place in the squad and put pressure on Our forwards. Finding another Firmino at this stage is difficult.

 

[HC]

I have no idea whether he's in a purple patch or now the beneficiary of playing in a better side and inbetween two top class forwards in Mane and Salah.

As much as I like him , I find it kinda crazy that a club that may finish second in the league has Firmino leading the line and a 20 year old and a forward who hasn't played in 2 years behind him. Thats not his problem I just think with the way Klopp has set up this side , its going to be difficult for anyone else to break in that same position.

 

[Lippy]

I'm bemused as to why this season - so far - is a true reflection of his quality and goalscoring prowess, and the previous two are not.

And as for the competition he currently has, well, I don't think a broken Sturridge, a shite Origi, or the likes of Ings, Woodburn and Solanke are tough fucking competition for any striker. Which is why we still need another one.

As for him scoring 15-20 goals, my scorn was largely aimed at those who said he definitely would last season, like it was a given, and the previous season was him "settling in/ Brendan Rodgers fault/ playing in the wrong position/ blah blah". However, the main issue I was making - and still do - is that if Firmino cannot score 15-20 league goals, then we need to find a player who can, because that's what teams who win the title almost always have.

Again, during Firmino's purple patch before Xmas last season, the usual throwbacks rushed into a slavering pile-on, whooping like apes as they repeated in monotone:

"See! See! You are not the master of us! WE ARE RIGHT....The Firmino - he score LOTS! We not need big goalscorer! WE TOP OF LEAGUE! We score MOST goal! Firmino he score 20!"

And then he didn't score again for about 12 games, we weren't top of the league anymore, we weren't top scorers anymore, the howling divvies quietened back down (again) and Klopp went out and bought a 20-plus goal attacker, like some of us said we needed. And here we are.

And now even Firmino is scoring lots. Wonders!

(Why is your text so weird? Are you trying to stand out?)

I think you also have to accept that he may have improved as a player through coaching and his own growing maturity. He's always been a hard working player with good movement and now he's added more to his game. Don't forget he's only just turned 26. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that players can actually improve parts of their game. He's a quality player but we do also need quality backup in the squad in the striking department which I don't think we have just yet

 

[Hansern]

I think we can put the Frimino debate to bed.

Frimino is a brilliant footballer and he is integral to how we play. No one would dismiss the opportunity to sign reliable goalscorers. You can want to sign reliable goalscorers and still think Frimino is a great player. That seems to be the most rational understanding of the situation.

It seems that the next debate will be if its Firmino or Frimino...

 

[dantes]

We don't just need a back-up for him, but someone else with more pace and who can replace him in the last 15 minutes to further punish the worn out defenders.

 

[rurikbird]

(Why is your text so weird? Are you trying to stand out?)

Haha, no - I typed the post in the Notes app on my phone and it transferred another font, which I haven’t been able to change.

 

[Mystic]

If anyone asked me what's SCM like to post on I would point them to this thread.

Sums up the place perfectly.

Firmino has arguably the most improved player in the squad this season so it's understandable why anyone that questioned his contribution last year have changed their tune, even Brendan.

It's just funny seen some of the bigger hitters on the forum going at it as opposed to usual rubbish where less respected posters get belittled by apparent experts.

Firmino was always part of a wider discussion last season which was, we needed a more potent attack for tight games where we only had a couple of chances and we were not converting them. Firmino being the main culprit as our no9.

Southampton away is a perfect example. Tight game 0-0, he's put clean through and pokes wide and we drop valuable points.

There were people who rubbished the claim saying all we needed to do was sort out the defense and we would be unbeatable. StevieM was one of the posters that springs to mind on that side of the debate.

There were posters who said we needed another attacker who could unlock defenses and bring more goals to the team in those games where teams park the bus.

That had the likes of Mark, Brendan and I.

And then you had everything in between.

Luckily for us we have got both, Salah has added goals and that spark of creativity we missed, now VVD has hopefully added the steel at the back.

Firmino's form has improved massively and I think its mainly down to playing in the no9 role every week (He often played wide left last year was shite there), Salah coming in and lifting the whole team ND Coutinho playing his best football for us.

This is a good post Dreamy, and is mostly correct, however the part that's incorrect unfortunately is the crux of this thread. Brendan wasn't in that group until the beginning of last season when he tried to convince everyone on this forum that the last years of him relentlessly and irrationally bashing Firmino for absolutely anything didn't happen and it was always about end product.

Brendan set his stall out early on Firmino, and proceeded to be an absolute stain on the site, every match thread, every transfer thread, every thread about our attacking play, he'd always attack Firmino telling us how shit a footballer he was. Talentless, clueless, a waste of space, fat, that was the daily vitriol, as irrationally negative as you could be, and anyone who dared argue Firmino for what he was, a massively talented footballer not being utilised correctly, got the usual Brendan vitriol, it had fuck all to do with his goal return at this point because he wasn't even playing as a fucking striker.

Firmino embarrassed him though, Rodgers left and Klopp came in and Firmino and the teams form improved massively which highlighted just how good Firmino was. Then the Mane, Firmino and Coutinho trio of last season happened, and he was forced to drop his monotonous vitriolic charade, and that's when he tried to change his tune with a Donald Trump level of revisionism and move to a more valid argument about his goal return (now playing as a striker) and pretend the previous stance never happened. Now for the most part everyone laughed and saw right through this, unfortunately it seems to be that a couple of people haven't, which is why these stupid debates keep coming up and the word Firmino is now ridiculously associated with Brendan and his fucking flabby melt comment.

Now let's make this clear, so maybe we can all move on from this; no one on this site has a problem with Brendan for discussing Firmino's goal return, that was a valid point and a good debate. People have a problem that he pretends that was always his issue with Firmino, this shit wouldn't be happening if he just come out and said "my initial assessment was wrong, but I'm still concerned about his goal output", but he hasn't, in typical self congratulatory Brendan style he's trying to act like he called this rationally all along and rewriting his arguments from the past, but you only have to look back in this thread at some of the quotes from the past to know this is completely untrue, he completely wrote Firmino off as a waste of space, and he's just digging this hole deeper pretending that's not so.

So for those of you labelling posters "CDNWers" might I suggest that you remember the entire history of this, and not just the bits Brendan wants you to remember before labelling others in this thread. I doubt it will, but this debate needs to fuck off now, it's tired and is still somehow ruining every discussion we have about Firmino, which is a great shame.

But yes, I agree Dreamy, this thread is SCM in a nut shell.

 

[Mystic]

It seems that the next debate will be if its Firmino or Frimino...

Or Firminio

 

[Mystic]

I think we can put the Frimino debate to bed.

Frimino is a brilliant footballer and he is integral to how we play. No one would dismiss the opportunity to sign reliable goalscorers. You can want to sign reliable goalscorers and still think Frimino is a great player. That seems to be the most rational understanding of the situation.

100% this.

 

[manwithnoname]

This is a good post Dreamy, and is mostly correct, however the part that's incorrect unfortunately is the crux of this thread. Brendan wasn't in that group until the beginning of last season when he tried to convince everyone on this forum that the last years of him relentlessly and irrationally bashing Firmino for absolutely anything didn't happen and it was always about end product.

Brendan set his stool out early on Firmino, and proceeded to be an absolute stain on the site, every match thread, every transfer thread, every thread about our attacking play, he'd always attack Firmino telling us how shit a footballer he was. Talentless, clueless, a waste of space, fat, that was the daily vitriol, as irrationally negative as you could be, and anyone who dared argue Firmino for what he was, a massively talented footballer not being utilised correctly, got the usual Brendan vitriol, it had fuck all to do with his goal return at this point because he wasn't even playing as a fucking striker.

Firmino embarrassed him though, Rodgers left and Klopp came in and Firmino and the teams form improved massively which highlighted just how good Firmino was. Then the Mane, Firmino and Coutinho trio of last season happened, and he was forced to drop his monotonous vitriolic charade, and that's when he tried to change his tune with a Donald Trump level of revisionism and move to a more valid argument about his goal return (now playing as a striker) and pretend the previous stance never happened. Now for the most part everyone laughed and saw right through this, unfortunately it seems to be that a couple of people haven't, which is why these stupid debates keep coming up and the word Firmino is now ridiculously associated with Brendan and his fucking flabby melt comment.

Now let's make this clear, so maybe we can all move on from this; no one on this site has a problem with Brendan for discussing Firmino's goal return, that was a valid point and a good debate. People have a problem that he pretends that was always his issue with Firmino, this shit wouldn't be happening if he just come out and said "my initial assessment was wrong, but I'm still concerned about his goal output", but he hasn't, in typical Brendan style he's trying to act like he called this rationally all along and rewriting his arguments from the past, but you only have to look back in this thread at some of the quotes from the past to know this is completely untrue, he completely wrote Firmino off as a waste of space, and he's just digging this hole deeper pretending that's not so.

So for those of you labelling posters "CDNWers" might I suggest that you remember the entire history of this, and not just the bits Brendan wants you to remember before labelling others in this thread. I doubt it will, but this debate needs to fuck off now, it's tired and is still somehow ruining every discussion we have about Firmino, which is a great shame.

But yes, I agree Dreamy, this thread is SCM in a nut shell.

I always like to set my stool out early

 

[manwithnoname]

"It's just funny seen some of the bigger hitters on the forum going at it as opposed to usual rubbish where less respected posters get belittled by apparent experts"

I have no idea what this bit is about, or who it refers to.

Am I a "big hitter" or an "apparent expert"? or both?

Or neither?

 

[Mystic]

I always like to set my stool out early

Ha, to be fair, that's a typo befitting your original argument.

 

[ILD]

"It's just funny seen some of the bigger hitters on the forum going at it as opposed to usual rubbish where less respected posters get belittled by apparent experts"

I have no idea what this bit is about, or who it refers to.

Am I a "big hitter" or an "apparent expert"? or both?

Or neither?

Yeah I also wondered for a brief moment where I stood in DB's forum ecosystem.

I'd like to think I'm the big hitter, your the apparent expert but then that's harsh on who ever then less respected poster are.

Dreamy is insulting some if not all of us.

 

[tombrown]

Is this still going on?

 

[Insignificance]

I read he has a release clause in his contract on around 89 M (Euros or pounds not sure). We are apparently looking to renew his contract.