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Riise was the GelnJo of the left, pretty useful going forward but for all his posturing, huffing and puffing six pack and abs was never a great defender, like Johnson he was good value as long as he kept playing well in midfield and defended relatively well.
Like Johnson again his form was very cyclical
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Like Johnson again his form was very cyclical
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46440.msg1475217#msg1475217 date=1328056655]
People are far to quick to jump on band wagons around here, he had two or three average games and makes on hash of things and people were all over him.
Even when he has an average game, he is still probably better than any left back we have had for the best part of a generation.
Clearly a great bit of business.
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Good post mate.
People are far to quick to jump on band wagons around here, he had two or three average games and makes on hash of things and people were all over him.
Even when he has an average game, he is still probably better than any left back we have had for the best part of a generation.
Clearly a great bit of business.
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Good post mate.
I think he's the best left back we've had since goodness knows how long. I certainly think he is better than riise ever was.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46440.msg1475328#msg1475328 date=1328092564]
I think he's the best left back we've had since goodness knows how long. I certainly think he is better than riise ever was.
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goodness knows how long = a generation
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I think he's the best left back we've had since goodness knows how long. I certainly think he is better than riise ever was.
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goodness knows how long = a generation
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46440.msg1475328#msg1475328 date=1328092564]
I think he's the best left back we've had since goodness knows how long. I certainly think he is better than riise ever was.
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goodness knows how long = a generation
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I think we currently have a fantastic back line that has strength, pace, ability on the ball, creativity and is also goal threat. if there a better back line in the league?
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46440.msg1475328#msg1475328 date=1328092564]
I think he's the best left back we've had since goodness knows how long. I certainly think he is better than riise ever was.
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goodness knows how long = a generation
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regards
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I think we currently have a fantastic back line that has strength, pace, ability on the ball, creativity and is also goal threat. if there a better back line in the league?
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Riise was excellent for a long while, but faded badly towards the end. Not sure if that means he qualifies for 'great' or not.
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For me - not "great", but was a good LB for us. I think he could've been a great LB if he'd worked on correcting his total uselessness with his right foot (he did score one or two with it though, somehow). He never improved on it in all the seasons with us and it was always painful to see him hold back our attacks because he had to check himself to get the ball onto the proper peg. Not sure he even worked on it, and I also wondered why the management never bothered to correct what was a clear problem. He was arguably one of the best LBs in the league in the earlier seasons but by the time he left, I wasn't too bothered.
Then we had Insua / Dossena / Konchesky, and I was even begging for Riise to return.
Riise was excellent for a long while, but faded badly towards the end. Not sure if that means he qualifies for 'great' or not.
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For me - not "great", but was a good LB for us. I think he could've been a great LB if he'd worked on correcting his total uselessness with his right foot (he did score one or two with it though, somehow). He never improved on it in all the seasons with us and it was always painful to see him hold back our attacks because he had to check himself to get the ball onto the proper peg. Not sure he even worked on it, and I also wondered why the management never bothered to correct what was a clear problem. He was arguably one of the best LBs in the league in the earlier seasons but by the time he left, I wasn't too bothered.
Then we had Insua / Dossena / Konchesky, and I was even begging for Riise to return.
Nah...Riise was good.
Riise and Finnan were part of the best defense in the league at the time. Of course they had Hamann helping out and Hyypia and Carra playing alongside them, but they were both pretty solid. I can't recollect a time when a winger tormented us. Christiano Ronaldo never had a great game against us, neither did Robben. Joe Cole had his moments, but he never raped us....just had the annoying habit of popping up in the box and scoring against us.
Riise would also easily get 5+ goals in a season and assist a fair few. Chelsea wanted Riise the season before he left us. Nuff said....i liked Johnny Rockets...
Riise and Finnan were part of the best defense in the league at the time. Of course they had Hamann helping out and Hyypia and Carra playing alongside them, but they were both pretty solid. I can't recollect a time when a winger tormented us. Christiano Ronaldo never had a great game against us, neither did Robben. Joe Cole had his moments, but he never raped us....just had the annoying habit of popping up in the box and scoring against us.
Riise would also easily get 5+ goals in a season and assist a fair few. Chelsea wanted Riise the season before he left us. Nuff said....i liked Johnny Rockets...
He may have been with us only half a season , but along with Pepe has the most minutes played (and only 1 yellow card), so I think that is enough to make an objective judgement. In fact in half a season I think he could have played over 25% of the games that Aurellio has played for us in six years.
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46440.msg1475577#msg1475577 date=1328108755]
He may have been with us only half a season , but along with Pepe has the most minutes played (and only 1 yellow card), so I think that is enough to make an objective judgement. In fact in half a season I think he could have played over 25% of the games that Aurellio has played for us in six years.
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Fabs played 21 games for us last season mate, Enrique has played 27 this season.
He may have been with us only half a season , but along with Pepe has the most minutes played (and only 1 yellow card), so I think that is enough to make an objective judgement. In fact in half a season I think he could have played over 25% of the games that Aurellio has played for us in six years.
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Fabs played 21 games for us last season mate, Enrique has played 27 this season.
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46440.msg1475577#msg1475577 date=1328108755]
He may have been with us only half a season , but along with Pepe has the most minutes played (and only 1 yellow card), so I think that is enough to make an objective judgement. In fact in half a season I think he could have played over 25% of the games that Aurellio has played for us in six years.
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Fabs played 21 games for us last season mate, Enrique has played 27 this season.
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and your point is?
Liverpool debut: 13.08.2006
Last appearance: 31.01.2012
Debut goal: 02.03.2008
Last goal: 14.04.2009
Contract expiry: 2012
LFC league games/goals: 86 / 3
Total LFC games/goals: 133 / 4
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46440.msg1475577#msg1475577 date=1328108755]
He may have been with us only half a season , but along with Pepe has the most minutes played (and only 1 yellow card), so I think that is enough to make an objective judgement. In fact in half a season I think he could have played over 25% of the games that Aurellio has played for us in six years.
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Fabs played 21 games for us last season mate, Enrique has played 27 this season.
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and your point is?
Liverpool debut: 13.08.2006
Last appearance: 31.01.2012
Debut goal: 02.03.2008
Last goal: 14.04.2009
Contract expiry: 2012
LFC league games/goals: 86 / 3
Total LFC games/goals: 133 / 4
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=46440.msg1475595#msg1475595 date=1328109973]
Enrique is thankfully one of those injury free players, unlike Fabio and Agger, which is down to what?
Luck must play a part ?
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*jinx alert* *jinx alert* *jinx alert*
Enrique is thankfully one of those injury free players, unlike Fabio and Agger, which is down to what?
Luck must play a part ?
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*jinx alert* *jinx alert* *jinx alert*
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[quote author=Asbo link=topic=46440.msg1475595#msg1475595 date=1328109973]
Enrique is thankfully one of those injury free players, unlike Fabio and Agger, which is down to what?
Luck must play a part ?
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*jinx alert* *jinx alert* *jinx alert*
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No mate, he was good for Newcastle too, he stands up and rubs the mud off.
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=46440.msg1475595#msg1475595 date=1328109973]
Enrique is thankfully one of those injury free players, unlike Fabio and Agger, which is down to what?
Luck must play a part ?
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*jinx alert* *jinx alert* *jinx alert*
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No mate, he was good for Newcastle too, he stands up and rubs the mud off.
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46440.msg1475577#msg1475577 date=1328108755]
He may have been with us only half a season , but along with Pepe has the most minutes played (and only 1 yellow card), so I think that is enough to make an objective judgement. In fact in half a season I think he could have played over 25% of the games that Aurellio has played for us in six years.
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Yes no doubt he is a very good player. Just a bit early to include him in the Hall of Fame. Let us have this chat again in a couple of years. I remember thinking that "This Insua kid looks amazing! LB solved for years to come!"... Riise has done far more for LFC than Enrique, and if, in a few years, Enrique can look back on his spell with us and see that he achieved similar things he should be delighted.
He may have been with us only half a season , but along with Pepe has the most minutes played (and only 1 yellow card), so I think that is enough to make an objective judgement. In fact in half a season I think he could have played over 25% of the games that Aurellio has played for us in six years.
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Yes no doubt he is a very good player. Just a bit early to include him in the Hall of Fame. Let us have this chat again in a couple of years. I remember thinking that "This Insua kid looks amazing! LB solved for years to come!"... Riise has done far more for LFC than Enrique, and if, in a few years, Enrique can look back on his spell with us and see that he achieved similar things he should be delighted.
I don't think I am exactly putting in the hall of fame. What I am saying is that, yes fair enough, this season he looks like the best left back we have had going back 15-20 years, but he was good for Newcastle too, has played twenty four odd games so far this year so don't think it is a flash in the pan. You can hardly compare it to the Insua situation. I too thought Insua looked good in the reserves , but he dod not live up to expectations in the first team.
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I thought Insua looked good for his first couple of games for the proper team Vlad, but then he just started to look Gash, and didn't seem to know what the heck to do.
Aurelio has always look good when he has played and is good overlapping and getting crosses in, but Enrique does look outstanding at the moment too, I think we have left back covered for a while with Johson being able to slot in there too and the youngster (was it) Flannigan?
Aurelio has always look good when he has played and is good overlapping and getting crosses in, but Enrique does look outstanding at the moment too, I think we have left back covered for a while with Johson being able to slot in there too and the youngster (was it) Flannigan?
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I thought Insua looked good for his first couple of games for the proper team Vlad, but then he just started to look Gash, and didn't seem to know what the heck to do.
Aurelio has always look good when he has played and is good overlapping and getting crosses in, but Enrique does look outstanding at the moment too, I think we have left back covered for a while with Johson being able to slot in there too and the youngster (was it) Flannigan?
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Robinson was the left back.
Flanagan was the more industrial full back who mainly played on the right but we have also played him on the left.
I thought Insua looked good for his first couple of games for the proper team Vlad, but then he just started to look Gash, and didn't seem to know what the heck to do.
Aurelio has always look good when he has played and is good overlapping and getting crosses in, but Enrique does look outstanding at the moment too, I think we have left back covered for a while with Johson being able to slot in there too and the youngster (was it) Flannigan?
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Robinson was the left back.
Flanagan was the more industrial full back who mainly played on the right but we have also played him on the left.
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I like Enrique a lot.
But pointing out how he needs to improve should not be lazily confused with 'getting on his back' or 'jumping on some bandwaggon'.
I've said he needs to clear the ball and be more safety first at times. Both of which is true.
But pointing out how he needs to improve should not be lazily confused with 'getting on his back' or 'jumping on some bandwaggon'.
I've said he needs to clear the ball and be more safety first at times. Both of which is true.
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I like Enrique a lot.
But pointing out how he needs to improve should not be lazily confused with 'getting on his back' or 'jumping on some bandwaggon'.
I've said he needs to clear the ball and be more safety first at times. Both of which is true.
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The thing is, when he doesn't just hoof it up field, nine times out of ten he keeps the ball and uses it intelligently. I think some people just aren't used to that from a Liverpool defender. Granted, there have been a couple of times when he's tried to be too clever (the Bolton game being a prime example), but on the whole, I've found it refreshing to have a left back who values possession of the ball. It enables us to counterattack more effectively, rather than just inviting more pressure from the opposition.
I like Enrique a lot.
But pointing out how he needs to improve should not be lazily confused with 'getting on his back' or 'jumping on some bandwaggon'.
I've said he needs to clear the ball and be more safety first at times. Both of which is true.
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The thing is, when he doesn't just hoof it up field, nine times out of ten he keeps the ball and uses it intelligently. I think some people just aren't used to that from a Liverpool defender. Granted, there have been a couple of times when he's tried to be too clever (the Bolton game being a prime example), but on the whole, I've found it refreshing to have a left back who values possession of the ball. It enables us to counterattack more effectively, rather than just inviting more pressure from the opposition.
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Squiggles
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Oh definitely, I don't want him to change his game, but I do want him to be able to sense danger when it's about.
His brute strength coupled with the vision he showed for the 3rd goal against wolves was FB play at its absolute best.
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His brute strength coupled with the vision he showed for the 3rd goal against wolves was FB play at its absolute best.
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True. In the past week he has shown us the best and worst parts of his game. I hope the bolton and united games were just a blip and he continues his impressive first season. I think he's been a bargain and until Bellers started banging in the goals he would've been our signing of the season. Its a bit to early to be comparing him to Riise though. That being said, I am a huge fan!
His brute strength coupled with the vision he showed for the 3rd goal against wolves was FB play at its absolute best.
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True. In the past week he has shown us the best and worst parts of his game. I hope the bolton and united games were just a blip and he continues his impressive first season. I think he's been a bargain and until Bellers started banging in the goals he would've been our signing of the season. Its a bit to early to be comparing him to Riise though. That being said, I am a huge fan!
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=46440.msg1475701#msg1475701 date=1328125542]
I like Enrique a lot.
But pointing out how he needs to improve should not be lazily confused with 'getting on his back' or 'jumping on some bandwaggon'.
I've said he needs to clear the ball and be more safety first at times. Both of which is true.
[/quote] I agree Squiggs nothing wrong with constructive criticism an my "bandwagon" remark was aimed at non of that.
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I like Enrique a lot.
But pointing out how he needs to improve should not be lazily confused with 'getting on his back' or 'jumping on some bandwaggon'.
I've said he needs to clear the ball and be more safety first at times. Both of which is true.
[/quote] I agree Squiggs nothing wrong with constructive criticism an my "bandwagon" remark was aimed at non of that.
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on the one hand you want to see a defender take a safety first approach and clear their lines but on the other if you have defenders that feel comfortable enough in their ability to play their way out of trouble that will transmit itself through the rest of the team.
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on the one hand you want to see a defender take a safety first approach and clear their lines but on the other if you have defenders that feel comfortable enough in their ability to play their way out of trouble that will transmit itself through the rest of the team.
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So they're damned if they do and damned if they don't?
If you're going to expect players to play their way out of trouble, you have to expect that mistakes will be made.
on the one hand you want to see a defender take a safety first approach and clear their lines but on the other if you have defenders that feel comfortable enough in their ability to play their way out of trouble that will transmit itself through the rest of the team.
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So they're damned if they do and damned if they don't?
If you're going to expect players to play their way out of trouble, you have to expect that mistakes will be made.
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