Downing wants to stay
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Pretty much what I was expecting. Thanks.
More Coutinho's please.
Wait a second. You're trying to make a comparison between Downing and Coutinho? Fucking hell. I think even the most dedicated Downing fans will agree that he's not fit to lace Coutinho's boots.
Anyway, the answer is, Coutinho is significantly more awesome than Downing. He also creates more chances, which will inevitably lead to more goals.
Ah, using stats. Nice, why didn't you use stats for Aqua?
I'm not defending Downing am I?
No but you make a decision on a player and, irrespective of his performances, will never change that decision. So Aqua was supreme and Downing will always be shite in your world.
TBF Downing hasn't performed to his fee but he has played well, created and scored goals. Something Aqua never did. Is he good for us? Could be since he does bring balance, create and score goals. Do we want better? Of course, which team wouldn't want better players.
Something Aqua never did....HAHAHAHA!!!
Why are you making this about Aqua? Did he not get assists in his first season in England?
Anyway, back to Downing...the stats don't tell the whole story is what I'm saying. He creates crap, hence my comparison with Coutinho.
But that doesn't matter to you, I guess. Let's just keep talking about Aqua for no reason whatsoever.
The article is fair and Modo is not wrong.
Downing had performed and does offer us something, but I'd prefer someone who can offer more.
It's the difference between having a decent squad player & someone who is capable of firing us to CL positions.
As far as keeping Downing as a squad player, I'd prefer Borini, Suso & sterling to be the backups for Suarez, Coutinho, Sturridge & another top quality early 20's forward.
That group there - that's potentially as good a forward line as we've had since we last won the league.
.... But it all depends on whether we get an offer that suits for Downing.
Downing had performed and does offer us something, but I'd prefer someone who can offer more.
It's the difference between having a decent squad player & someone who is capable of firing us to CL positions.
As far as keeping Downing as a squad player, I'd prefer Borini, Suso & sterling to be the backups for Suarez, Coutinho, Sturridge & another top quality early 20's forward.
That group there - that's potentially as good a forward line as we've had since we last won the league.
.... But it all depends on whether we get an offer that suits for Downing.
Except that it isn't. It's true.
Here's the deal - Everton sell Felatiano and Baines to Man Utd for 35m.
We sell Downing & Carroll to Everton for 25m and they can spend 10m in whatever other gimp they want.
We spend 25m on some sexy golden god of a player.
Everton get relegated, Utd finish 6th & we win the league.
Works for me.
We sell Downing & Carroll to Everton for 25m and they can spend 10m in whatever other gimp they want.
We spend 25m on some sexy golden god of a player.
Everton get relegated, Utd finish 6th & we win the league.
Works for me.
Modo missing the point..... again.
He doesn't create "crap", you're being selective and using an arguably World Class player as a stick to beat him with. You can count the amount of World Class players we've bought for less than £7m on, erm, about 3 fingers, so it's a stupid fucking point. Coutinho creates clear cut chances much in the same way Gerrard did for Torres. When we didn't have an Owen or a Torres, Gerrard self-admittedly didn't create as many goals because he didn't have a quick striker who made the type of runs that benefited from his ability to play the through ball. Much like when people said Carroll would feed off Downings crosses, and then we had to watch them playing alternate games and not really getting a run together. Aside from Sturridge and Coutinho's healthy understanding, we've struggled all round to get bodies forward and make clever, decisive attacking decisions when good balls have been put in and around the box. Downing might not be putting the ball on someones toe, two yards out, everygame but he HAS consistently put balls into the danger zone to be attacked and too often has seen what good work he has done go to waste. The stats are neither here nor there, he's played a part too in the build up to goals, something that isn't accountable for on your selective stats. He's deserved time and indulgence like any player does, not dismissing because he's sickly white and comes from the most unfashionable club on Tyneside.
You seem to think that people defend him to the point that we think he's infallible and good enough for the long haul - no one really thinks that Modo, that's a myth that you seem to have generated to big up some fucking dumb ass idea that you're the only person in the World who thought £20m was too much money. We all knew that, some were just prepared to give him a fair crack of the whip, despite him not being your own personal "idea" of what a player should be - that overrated talent Dos Santos being the perfect example of your line of reasoning.
He's done well this season, he'll never, ever justify the fee and he's at an age when we should only really be looking to cash in. That's far removed from the "worst player to ever play for Liverpool" type stance you and a few others have taken over the last near two years, it's an agenda that's sad and pitiful, we all know your stance because we all know the agenda, and using one of our historically few and extremely rare unearthed gems as a means of criticising him is selective at best and lacking any sort of real perspective, while completely ignoring the fact that you're trying to consider your own opinion as some groundbreaking theory. And coming from a fucking idiot who's laid into Carragher for the best part of 5 years, excuse us if we laugh at the sheer bloodymindedness of your skewed self opinionated bollocks.
You answered your own question, he passes the ball.
Downing crosses it. A cross counts as a chance created for some reason. And that's all Baines does (from corners, free kicks and open play), which is why he looks good in these stats. Unfortunately corners only result in a goal on average once every 10 games. Crosses are probably a low percentage opportunity as well.
Its Modo.
Why be arsed.
Nicely put.
Yeah it is, but it's a worthless stat.
Good. Don't want to discuss Aquilani.
I appreciate the fact that you're defending him but that particular stat is a bit dubious, is what I'm saying.
Modo's fucking infuriating at times, especially when it comes to Downing. I'm not Stu's greatest fan either, but I always try to find the positives in people. He's done well enough this season. He's still average, but at least he's gone from being completely shit to average.
I don't know why I bite. It's like an addiction. Every time Modo posts, I just feel like it's my duty to tell him he's talking through his arse.
I don't know why I bite. It's like an addiction. Every time Modo posts, I just feel like it's my duty to tell him he's talking through his arse.
I'm like the good hearted prostitute everyone's trying to save.
I really don't think I was too harsh on Downing. Is it that I used the word crap?
I wish @Molbystwin could weigh in on this...
See...there is logic in-between the crap I spout.
Theres an atom somewhere in the infinite realms of space.
Im not looking for that either.
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