downing or young?
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It's a moot, stupid point anyway, he ended up at the Champions, what were we supposed to have done? By all accounts we WERE interested in him, he opted for the Champions and European Football, I don't know why it has to be made into an issue. They're both good players, there's hardly a gulf of difference between them anyway.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46454.msg1380244#msg1380244 date=1313393077]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46454.msg1380242#msg1380242 date=1313392561]
ask the question again at the end of the season.
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When Young is parading around Old trafford with the Premier League trophy in his hand ?
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They'll have to wrestle it out of Gerrards dead hands.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46454.msg1380242#msg1380242 date=1313392561]
ask the question again at the end of the season.
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When Young is parading around Old trafford with the Premier League trophy in his hand ?
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They'll have to wrestle it out of Gerrards dead hands.
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=46454.msg1380473#msg1380473 date=1313426935]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46454.msg1380244#msg1380244 date=1313393077]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46454.msg1380242#msg1380242 date=1313392561]
ask the question again at the end of the season.
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When Young is parading around Old trafford with the Premier League trophy in his hand ?
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They'll have to wrestle it out of Gerrards dead hands.
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After gerrard has stolen it?
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46454.msg1380244#msg1380244 date=1313393077]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46454.msg1380242#msg1380242 date=1313392561]
ask the question again at the end of the season.
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When Young is parading around Old trafford with the Premier League trophy in his hand ?
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They'll have to wrestle it out of Gerrards dead hands.
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After gerrard has stolen it?
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46454.msg1383930#msg1383930 date=1313950376]
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=46454.msg1380473#msg1380473 date=1313426935]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46454.msg1380244#msg1380244 date=1313393077]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46454.msg1380242#msg1380242 date=1313392561]
ask the question again at the end of the season.
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When Young is parading around Old trafford with the Premier League trophy in his hand ?
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They'll have to wrestle it out of Gerrards dead hands.
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After gerrard has stolen it?
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True, i mean Carra will be captain when we win it
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=46454.msg1380473#msg1380473 date=1313426935]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46454.msg1380244#msg1380244 date=1313393077]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46454.msg1380242#msg1380242 date=1313392561]
ask the question again at the end of the season.
[/quote]
When Young is parading around Old trafford with the Premier League trophy in his hand ?
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They'll have to wrestle it out of Gerrards dead hands.
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After gerrard has stolen it?
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True, i mean Carra will be captain when we win it
stop kidding yourselves with all the 'more consistent'/'suits us better' stuff. he's much better than downing.
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=46454.msg1389561#msg1389561 date=1314551140]
stop kidding yourselves with all the 'more consistent'/'suits us better' stuff. he's much better than downing.
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'Much better'? No way.
Downing could have had several assists by now, considering the wonderful deliveries he's put in. Not his fault we haven't made the most of it.
He was also 3 inches away from goal of the season contender.
He's done very well for us so far. Young's done well slotting into their side, and two fabulous goals today but let's see how well he does against City, Chelsea and us. Likewise Downing.
stop kidding yourselves with all the 'more consistent'/'suits us better' stuff. he's much better than downing.
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'Much better'? No way.
Downing could have had several assists by now, considering the wonderful deliveries he's put in. Not his fault we haven't made the most of it.
He was also 3 inches away from goal of the season contender.
He's done very well for us so far. Young's done well slotting into their side, and two fabulous goals today but let's see how well he does against City, Chelsea and us. Likewise Downing.
If downing had gone to United instead of Young he'd look like the better player.
Probably.
Probably.
I said it all pre season. I have no doubts that it'll be proven conclusively by the end of the season.
It's a sad thing because I want Downing to do well obviously, and while he's providing good width, balance, and an intelligent footballing brain, he's at best a functional/support attacking player. We paid 10 million too many for him.
Young on the other hand is a clear match-winner. He has pace, skill, and a great shot. There were a lot of pointless stats thrown about in the Young v. Downing debates (like crossing accuracy and number of chances created and the like dodgy shit), the only conclusively documented stats (goals and assists) were HEAVILY in Young's favour (Young's production in the last 4 seasons has been as good as Downing's in his entire 10 year career).
What he has lacked thus far in his career is some sort of consistency, but he'll get that playing with better players at United unfortunately.
It's a sad thing because I want Downing to do well obviously, and while he's providing good width, balance, and an intelligent footballing brain, he's at best a functional/support attacking player. We paid 10 million too many for him.
Young on the other hand is a clear match-winner. He has pace, skill, and a great shot. There were a lot of pointless stats thrown about in the Young v. Downing debates (like crossing accuracy and number of chances created and the like dodgy shit), the only conclusively documented stats (goals and assists) were HEAVILY in Young's favour (Young's production in the last 4 seasons has been as good as Downing's in his entire 10 year career).
What he has lacked thus far in his career is some sort of consistency, but he'll get that playing with better players at United unfortunately.
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=46454.msg1389626#msg1389626 date=1314554342]
It's hard to choose between them, yet when they both played for the same team, the Villa fans picked Downing for their player of the year.
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It's sort of a vacuous argument. I remember Murphy, Mascherano and Lucas being voted our players of the year. Does it make them better players than Gerrard?
Being voted player of the year is often acknowledgment of a player's improvement/form/attitude. Doesn't always mean he's the best player at the club, or preclude anyone arguing that someone else from the same team is better than him.
I'm happy to debate on merits with anyone that Young is a better player. I said it before we signed Downing and it doesn't make me very happy saying it today but being a fan is one thing, and arguing on merits is another.
It's hard to choose between them, yet when they both played for the same team, the Villa fans picked Downing for their player of the year.
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It's sort of a vacuous argument. I remember Murphy, Mascherano and Lucas being voted our players of the year. Does it make them better players than Gerrard?
Being voted player of the year is often acknowledgment of a player's improvement/form/attitude. Doesn't always mean he's the best player at the club, or preclude anyone arguing that someone else from the same team is better than him.
I'm happy to debate on merits with anyone that Young is a better player. I said it before we signed Downing and it doesn't make me very happy saying it today but being a fan is one thing, and arguing on merits is another.
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=46454.msg1389635#msg1389635 date=1314554943]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=46454.msg1389626#msg1389626 date=1314554342]
It's hard to choose between them, yet when they both played for the same team, the Villa fans picked Downing for their player of the year.
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It's sort of a vacuous argument. I remember Murphy, Mascherano and Lucas being voted our players of the year. Does it make them better players than Gerrard?
Being voted player of the year is often acknowledgment of a player's improvement/form/attitude. Doesn't always mean he's the best player at the club, or preclude anyone arguing that someone else from the same team is better than him.
I'm happy to debate on merits with anyone that Young is a better player. I said it before we signed Downing and it doesn't make me very happy saying it today but being a fan is one thing, and arguing on merits is another.
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Or maybe he got more goals and assists and has consistently done so during his career?
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=46454.msg1389626#msg1389626 date=1314554342]
It's hard to choose between them, yet when they both played for the same team, the Villa fans picked Downing for their player of the year.
[/quote]
It's sort of a vacuous argument. I remember Murphy, Mascherano and Lucas being voted our players of the year. Does it make them better players than Gerrard?
Being voted player of the year is often acknowledgment of a player's improvement/form/attitude. Doesn't always mean he's the best player at the club, or preclude anyone arguing that someone else from the same team is better than him.
I'm happy to debate on merits with anyone that Young is a better player. I said it before we signed Downing and it doesn't make me very happy saying it today but being a fan is one thing, and arguing on merits is another.
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Or maybe he got more goals and assists and has consistently done so during his career?
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=46454.msg1389640#msg1389640 date=1314555280]
Hey, let's do this with all the players who never wanted to come to us
That'll be a fucking hoot
Toulalan v emana?
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Even though Skully's trolling is getting on my fucking nerves, I'll just say *What Jr.Windever said*.
Hey, let's do this with all the players who never wanted to come to us
That'll be a fucking hoot
Toulalan v emana?
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Even though Skully's trolling is getting on my fucking nerves, I'll just say *What Jr.Windever said*.
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=46454.msg1389596#msg1389596 date=1314552475]
I said it all pre season. I have no doubts that it'll be proven conclusively by the end of the season.
It's a sad thing because I want Downing to do well obviously, and while he's providing good width, balance, and an intelligent footballing brain, he's at best a functional/support attacking player. We paid 10 million too many for him.
Young on the other hand is a clear match-winner. He has pace, skill, and a great shot. There were a lot of pointless stats thrown about in the Young v. Downing debates (like crossing accuracy and number of chances created and the like dodgy shit), the only conclusively documented stats (goals and assists) were HEAVILY in Young's favour (Young's production in the last 4 seasons has been as good as Downing's in his entire 10 year career).
What he has lacked thus far in his career is some sort of consistency, but he'll get that playing with better players at United unfortunately.
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Didn't Young often time play as a second striker for AVL? We wanted him, he wanted to go to the Champions and get CL footy - let it go. The continued attempts to try and compare the two is pointless. One wanted to be a Red and rejected the Mancs, the other rejected us.
I could care less if Young does better than him in individual stats. Let him score 50 and assist on 50. We'll still win the league.
I said it all pre season. I have no doubts that it'll be proven conclusively by the end of the season.
It's a sad thing because I want Downing to do well obviously, and while he's providing good width, balance, and an intelligent footballing brain, he's at best a functional/support attacking player. We paid 10 million too many for him.
Young on the other hand is a clear match-winner. He has pace, skill, and a great shot. There were a lot of pointless stats thrown about in the Young v. Downing debates (like crossing accuracy and number of chances created and the like dodgy shit), the only conclusively documented stats (goals and assists) were HEAVILY in Young's favour (Young's production in the last 4 seasons has been as good as Downing's in his entire 10 year career).
What he has lacked thus far in his career is some sort of consistency, but he'll get that playing with better players at United unfortunately.
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Didn't Young often time play as a second striker for AVL? We wanted him, he wanted to go to the Champions and get CL footy - let it go. The continued attempts to try and compare the two is pointless. One wanted to be a Red and rejected the Mancs, the other rejected us.
I could care less if Young does better than him in individual stats. Let him score 50 and assist on 50. We'll still win the league.
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=46454.msg1389561#msg1389561 date=1314551140]
stop kidding yourselves with all the 'more consistent'/'suits us better' stuff. he's much better than downing.
[/quote]He plays for Manchester United Skully.
If you ask me Gabriel Palletta is better than fucking Vidic.
Fuck them cunts. FUCK ASHLEY YOUNG!!
stop kidding yourselves with all the 'more consistent'/'suits us better' stuff. he's much better than downing.
[/quote]He plays for Manchester United Skully.
If you ask me Gabriel Palletta is better than fucking Vidic.
Fuck them cunts. FUCK ASHLEY YOUNG!!
Skully has joined DB as the only Manc fans allowed to post on SCM
[quote author=Dylan link=topic=46454.msg1389627#msg1389627 date=1314554383]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=46454.msg1389617#msg1389617 date=1314553905]
If I'd wanted to go onto Redcafe I would have. For fucks sake.
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I'm with you brother...i mean buddha.
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How about bruddah?
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=46454.msg1389617#msg1389617 date=1314553905]
If I'd wanted to go onto Redcafe I would have. For fucks sake.
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I'm with you brother...i mean buddha.
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How about bruddah?
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