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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47375.msg1420574#msg1420574 date=1320192679]
So all we need is half a billion on players and we're sorted.
*empties pockets*
I've got 37 pence here to get the whip round started off.
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Not necessarily.
Instead of competing against the likes of City, Chelsea, Barca and Real for players we should be beating the likes of Ajax, Udinese, Porto to the absolutely cracking players they pick up regularly for fractions of what we pay for a average talent.
It requires much better scouting than we've been accustomed to.
So all we need is half a billion on players and we're sorted.
*empties pockets*
I've got 37 pence here to get the whip round started off.
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Not necessarily.
Instead of competing against the likes of City, Chelsea, Barca and Real for players we should be beating the likes of Ajax, Udinese, Porto to the absolutely cracking players they pick up regularly for fractions of what we pay for a average talent.
It requires much better scouting than we've been accustomed to.
Agree with this, so could it be possible that we've signed players like Downing and Adam first because we have not established an excellent scouting network?
Our scouting network is probably not as extensive as it should be yet so could we be seeing more value for money players in the near future?
Exciting times.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47375.msg1420635#msg1420635 date=1320227062]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47375.msg1420574#msg1420574 date=1320192679]
So all we need is half a billion on players and we're sorted.
*empties pockets*
I've got 37 pence here to get the whip round started off.
[/quote]
Not necessarily.
Instead of competing against the likes of City, Chelsea, Barca and Real for players we should be beating the likes of Ajax, Udinese, Porto to the absolutely cracking players they pick up regularly for fractions of what we pay for a average talent.
It requires much better scouting than we've been accustomed to.
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Yeh I did says this a couple of weeks ago.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47375.msg1420574#msg1420574 date=1320192679]
So all we need is half a billion on players and we're sorted.
*empties pockets*
I've got 37 pence here to get the whip round started off.
[/quote]
Not necessarily.
Instead of competing against the likes of City, Chelsea, Barca and Real for players we should be beating the likes of Ajax, Udinese, Porto to the absolutely cracking players they pick up regularly for fractions of what we pay for a average talent.
It requires much better scouting than we've been accustomed to.
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Yeh I did says this a couple of weeks ago.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47375.msg1420635#msg1420635 date=1320227062]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47375.msg1420574#msg1420574 date=1320192679]
So all we need is half a billion on players and we're sorted.
*empties pockets*
I've got 37 pence here to get the whip round started off.
[/quote]
Not necessarily.
Instead of competing against the likes of City, Chelsea, Barca and Real for players we should be beating the likes of Ajax, Udinese, Porto to the absolutely cracking players they pick up regularly for fractions of what we pay for a average talent.
It requires much better scouting than we've been accustomed to.
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I agree with this but aren't we at least attempting this with our youth?
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47375.msg1420574#msg1420574 date=1320192679]
So all we need is half a billion on players and we're sorted.
*empties pockets*
I've got 37 pence here to get the whip round started off.
[/quote]
Not necessarily.
Instead of competing against the likes of City, Chelsea, Barca and Real for players we should be beating the likes of Ajax, Udinese, Porto to the absolutely cracking players they pick up regularly for fractions of what we pay for a average talent.
It requires much better scouting than we've been accustomed to.
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I agree with this but aren't we at least attempting this with our youth?
for me the bottom line is given the amount we've spent we need to be averaging to 2 points per game, if we aren't doing that we are performing below expectations.
take man city (and their half a BILLION outlay) we are in and around the top performers.
we need to be more clinical up front and meaner in defense but who is to say these things wont happen? carroll and suarez are starting to build an understanding, henderson is growing more confident, and skrtel and agger look in tune with each other.
nov/dec is usually when things go tits up, with a bit of luck we'll escape winter and still be in with a shout of a top four place. we're below my expectations but only just.
take man city (and their half a BILLION outlay) we are in and around the top performers.
we need to be more clinical up front and meaner in defense but who is to say these things wont happen? carroll and suarez are starting to build an understanding, henderson is growing more confident, and skrtel and agger look in tune with each other.
nov/dec is usually when things go tits up, with a bit of luck we'll escape winter and still be in with a shout of a top four place. we're below my expectations but only just.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47375.msg1420655#msg1420655 date=1320229005]
Kind of, the point I was making is that you don't need half a billion to sign good players.
They're always out there, we just need to be better at finding them.
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I think we need to take more gambles with regards to wide players. in the first team squad we only have one out and out wide player (ONE!) that's pretty fucking pathetic.
Kind of, the point I was making is that you don't need half a billion to sign good players.
They're always out there, we just need to be better at finding them.
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I think we need to take more gambles with regards to wide players. in the first team squad we only have one out and out wide player (ONE!) that's pretty fucking pathetic.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47375.msg1420658#msg1420658 date=1320229184]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47375.msg1420655#msg1420655 date=1320229005]
Kind of, the point I was making is that you don't need half a billion to sign good players.
They're always out there, we just need to be better at finding them.
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I think we need to take more gambles with regards to wide players. in the first team squad we only have one out and out wide player (ONE!) that's pretty fucking pathetic.
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I refer you to Ryan's post above.
We just need better players.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47375.msg1420655#msg1420655 date=1320229005]
Kind of, the point I was making is that you don't need half a billion to sign good players.
They're always out there, we just need to be better at finding them.
[/quote]
I think we need to take more gambles with regards to wide players. in the first team squad we only have one out and out wide player (ONE!) that's pretty fucking pathetic.
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I refer you to Ryan's post above.
We just need better players.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47375.msg1420657#msg1420657 date=1320229170]
Modric - 16m
Bale - 10m
VDV - 8m
Adebayor - free
Those 4 players were signed for the same amount that we paid for Andy Carroll.
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ade is a dressing room meltdown waiting to happen.
we tried to sign bale.
VDV was bought on the cheap because of real's desparation to get him of the wage bill.
modrid was bought when alonso and mash were on the books (I think)
Modric - 16m
Bale - 10m
VDV - 8m
Adebayor - free
Those 4 players were signed for the same amount that we paid for Andy Carroll.
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ade is a dressing room meltdown waiting to happen.
we tried to sign bale.
VDV was bought on the cheap because of real's desparation to get him of the wage bill.
modrid was bought when alonso and mash were on the books (I think)
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47375.msg1420660#msg1420660 date=1320229312]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47375.msg1420657#msg1420657 date=1320229170]
Modric - 16m
Bale - 10m
VDV - 8m
Adebayor - free
Those 4 players were signed for the same amount that we paid for Andy Carroll.
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ade is a dressing room meltdown waiting to happen.
we tried to sign bale.
VDV was bought on the cheap because of real's desparation to get him of the wage bill.
modrid was bought when alonso and mash were on the books (I think)
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I'm not sure what your point is, anyone could have had him. We didn't / couldn't go for him. Levy stepped in and got a bargain.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47375.msg1420657#msg1420657 date=1320229170]
Modric - 16m
Bale - 10m
VDV - 8m
Adebayor - free
Those 4 players were signed for the same amount that we paid for Andy Carroll.
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ade is a dressing room meltdown waiting to happen.
we tried to sign bale.
VDV was bought on the cheap because of real's desparation to get him of the wage bill.
modrid was bought when alonso and mash were on the books (I think)
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I'm not sure what your point is, anyone could have had him. We didn't / couldn't go for him. Levy stepped in and got a bargain.
I don't think the point was that we should have signed those players, just that quality players do appear on the market for relatively cheap.
I do think we pay a premium in transfers, because we are Liverpool though.
I do think we pay a premium in transfers, because we are Liverpool though.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47375.msg1420659#msg1420659 date=1320229279]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47375.msg1420658#msg1420658 date=1320229184]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47375.msg1420655#msg1420655 date=1320229005]
Kind of, the point I was making is that you don't need half a billion to sign good players.
They're always out there, we just need to be better at finding them.
[/quote]
I think we need to take more gambles with regards to wide players. in the first team squad we only have one out and out wide player (ONE!) that's pretty fucking pathetic.
[/quote]
I refer you to Ryan's post above.
We just need better players.
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'so, how are we going to win the league?'
'we need better players'
that GENIUS!!
'how are we going to keep more clean sheets?'
'by stopping the ball hitting the back of the net'
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my opinion of the players we've bought in the summer;
carroll - I thought he was amazing at n'castle and we somehow have to unlock that potential but the potential IS there
henderson - was overwhelmed by his move but is gaining more confidence
can't be bothed to asses the rest of them but the point is before pining for new 'better' players let's develope the players we already have.
I see bale is in the list of 'better' players but how did he start at spurs? is that start any better than henderson's start?
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47375.msg1420658#msg1420658 date=1320229184]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47375.msg1420655#msg1420655 date=1320229005]
Kind of, the point I was making is that you don't need half a billion to sign good players.
They're always out there, we just need to be better at finding them.
[/quote]
I think we need to take more gambles with regards to wide players. in the first team squad we only have one out and out wide player (ONE!) that's pretty fucking pathetic.
[/quote]
I refer you to Ryan's post above.
We just need better players.
[/quote]
'so, how are we going to win the league?'
'we need better players'
that GENIUS!!
'how are we going to keep more clean sheets?'
'by stopping the ball hitting the back of the net'
---
my opinion of the players we've bought in the summer;
carroll - I thought he was amazing at n'castle and we somehow have to unlock that potential but the potential IS there
henderson - was overwhelmed by his move but is gaining more confidence
can't be bothed to asses the rest of them but the point is before pining for new 'better' players let's develope the players we already have.
I see bale is in the list of 'better' players but how did he start at spurs? is that start any better than henderson's start?
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47375.msg1420668#msg1420668 date=1320230032]
Bale was 17 when he signed for Spurs, was he supposed to be the finished article then ?
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He was 18 but no he wasn't supposed to be the finished article at all. The same can be said for other young players such as Henderson and Carroll though. There's no defined timetable of footballing maturity.
Bale was 17 when he signed for Spurs, was he supposed to be the finished article then ?
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He was 18 but no he wasn't supposed to be the finished article at all. The same can be said for other young players such as Henderson and Carroll though. There's no defined timetable of footballing maturity.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47375.msg1420667#msg1420667 date=1320229947]
Neil - you're fucking killing me. You're fucking killing all of us.
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I may well be but it pisses me off when we hold up players that we should be buying when some of those players have had indifferent starts and THEN went on to become great players. carroll and henderson are both young and can massively improve, yes we paid a premium for them but they have big potential and we have to bring that potential to the surface rathering than continually going on about what we don't have which helps noone and is frankly fucking BORING.
Neil - you're fucking killing me. You're fucking killing all of us.
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I may well be but it pisses me off when we hold up players that we should be buying when some of those players have had indifferent starts and THEN went on to become great players. carroll and henderson are both young and can massively improve, yes we paid a premium for them but they have big potential and we have to bring that potential to the surface rathering than continually going on about what we don't have which helps noone and is frankly fucking BORING.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47375.msg1420670#msg1420670 date=1320230145]
Neil what about Downing - he was going to guarantee us goals and assists that would win us the league wasn't he ?
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he is disappointing me no question but even you must admit given some of his crossing this season he should have SOME assists.
Neil what about Downing - he was going to guarantee us goals and assists that would win us the league wasn't he ?
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he is disappointing me no question but even you must admit given some of his crossing this season he should have SOME assists.
Have we not started to acquire exciting young talent as well - case in point - Seb Coates. I think there's a definite intention to start doing this but it will take time to come to fruition. Unfortunately things don't tend to happen overnight in football. I see progression with the club and team from 12 months ago but we do need to push on further that cannot be denied.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47375.msg1420675#msg1420675 date=1320230459]
Neil - have a look at that list of spurs players. Then have a look at the name Andy Carroll.
Have a looooooooooong look. Don't reply until you're ready to.
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look I get your point about the huge fee but that fee has been paid. carroll didn't set the fee and carroll doesn't pick the team. we need to move past fee now and work towards realising carroll's potential.
Neil - have a look at that list of spurs players. Then have a look at the name Andy Carroll.
Have a looooooooooong look. Don't reply until you're ready to.
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look I get your point about the huge fee but that fee has been paid. carroll didn't set the fee and carroll doesn't pick the team. we need to move past fee now and work towards realising carroll's potential.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47375.msg1420666#msg1420666 date=1320229912]
Just a quick point with Bale. He was pretty average for his first couple of seasons with Spurs but has matured into a very good player. This may be the case also with the likes of Carroll who is still young but certainly needs to be playing more.
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This is true. I suspect - though who knows? - that had we signed Bale when Spurs had done he would have ended up being one of those players who we later got rid of for a similar fee.
That is not a dig at Benitez by the way but at that point we needed to buy players who could perform straight away because we had to qualify for the CL every season. Spurs were in a position then when they could invest heavily in young players without needing to maintain relative success (not a lot to maintain at the time).
Just a quick point with Bale. He was pretty average for his first couple of seasons with Spurs but has matured into a very good player. This may be the case also with the likes of Carroll who is still young but certainly needs to be playing more.
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This is true. I suspect - though who knows? - that had we signed Bale when Spurs had done he would have ended up being one of those players who we later got rid of for a similar fee.
That is not a dig at Benitez by the way but at that point we needed to buy players who could perform straight away because we had to qualify for the CL every season. Spurs were in a position then when they could invest heavily in young players without needing to maintain relative success (not a lot to maintain at the time).
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47375.msg1420657#msg1420657 date=1320229170]
Modric - 16m
Bale - 10m
VDV - 8m
Adebayor - free
Those 4 players were signed for the same amount that we paid for Andy Carroll.
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Does the wage bill add up to the same though? An often overlooked factor and something we had massive issues with. Paying too high wages for utter shite potentially preventing us from securing other players.
Modric - 16m
Bale - 10m
VDV - 8m
Adebayor - free
Those 4 players were signed for the same amount that we paid for Andy Carroll.
[/quote]
Does the wage bill add up to the same though? An often overlooked factor and something we had massive issues with. Paying too high wages for utter shite potentially preventing us from securing other players.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47375.msg1420680#msg1420680 date=1320231002]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47375.msg1420657#msg1420657 date=1320229170]
Modric - 16m
Bale - 10m
VDV - 8m
Adebayor - free
Those 4 players were signed for the same amount that we paid for Andy Carroll.
[/quote]
Does the wage bill add up to the same though? An often overlooked factor and something we had massive issues with. Paying too high wages for utter shite potentially preventing us from securing other players.
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Spurs pay less in wages overall then we do.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47375.msg1420657#msg1420657 date=1320229170]
Modric - 16m
Bale - 10m
VDV - 8m
Adebayor - free
Those 4 players were signed for the same amount that we paid for Andy Carroll.
[/quote]
Does the wage bill add up to the same though? An often overlooked factor and something we had massive issues with. Paying too high wages for utter shite potentially preventing us from securing other players.
[/quote]
Spurs pay less in wages overall then we do.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=47375.msg1420683#msg1420683 date=1320231170]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47375.msg1420680#msg1420680 date=1320231002]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47375.msg1420657#msg1420657 date=1320229170]
Modric - 16m
Bale - 10m
VDV - 8m
Adebayor - free
Those 4 players were signed for the same amount that we paid for Andy Carroll.
[/quote]
Does the wage bill add up to the same though? An often overlooked factor and something we had massive issues with. Paying too high wages for utter shite potentially preventing us from securing other players.
[/quote]
Spurs pay less in wages overall then we do.
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is that still true after our clearout?
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47375.msg1420680#msg1420680 date=1320231002]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47375.msg1420657#msg1420657 date=1320229170]
Modric - 16m
Bale - 10m
VDV - 8m
Adebayor - free
Those 4 players were signed for the same amount that we paid for Andy Carroll.
[/quote]
Does the wage bill add up to the same though? An often overlooked factor and something we had massive issues with. Paying too high wages for utter shite potentially preventing us from securing other players.
[/quote]
Spurs pay less in wages overall then we do.
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is that still true after our clearout?
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