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Poll Dodge the brodge

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  • Sack the cunt

    Votes: 65 67.0%

  • Keep him

    Votes: 32 33.0%
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Rafiagra said:
Do people think he's lost the dressing room?

I think the players are looking a bit jaded. All the mixing and matching can quickly go from genius when winning to clueless when not. And we aren't winning.
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That's an issue that baffles me. The players seem keen to say what a good coach he is, what a great man-manager he is, but then go out and look clueless and lifeless. Even Gerrard, head scratcher extraordinaire, keeps saying he's fantastic whilst waddling meekly through the kind of shambolic performances that would have got him, when Benitez was in charge, going through all the camera friendly gestures to highlight his exasperation.

I guess that contrast usually occurs when players think they have a soft touch for a boss and want to keep him for selfish reasons. Rodgers doesn't strike me as that kind of manager, but something isn't translating from the training ground to the pitch.

It's a great shame we don't have a David Dein type of CEO who'd leave the players and the boss in no doubt that next season is the season for them all to deliver.
 
Rodgers has made some monumental mistakes with transfers, tactics, man-management and the media...but...this really has been an exceptional (no, not in that sense of the word) season. The whole Gerrard saga has meant a chunk of this season has all just been about building up to yesterday. How and when to deploy him in order to give him the lap of honour his career deserves while trying to balance his own physical limitations and fitting him into a team and system he hasn't always fitted naturally into. It's as if the season and some of the players, most notably Henderson, have just been on hold waiting for it all to be over. We've permanently lost one and almost entirely lost another of last season's superstars. The new players by and large haven't settled in and the manager must take some responsibility for that.

So the team, individual players and the manager have all taken steps backward this season. I don't however think that's enough to sack a manager at this time. I also don't think there is an obvious and realistic successor out there who would do any better. Stick with him for now but it's shit or bust for Rodgers in the first half of next season.
 
But the 'Gerrard saga' wasn't some kind of natural phenomenon. How it started, how it developed and how Rodgers reacted to it was very much part of his responsibility. It needn't have happened at all, and certainly not in the way it did. Pissing Gerrard off by 'resting' him against Real Madrid, belatedly telling him he wouldn't be a regular starter, etc etc. You make it sound like a problem with the under soil heating system. Rodgers wasn't a helpless bystander. And as for having to decide how to deploy him to give him his lap of honour - again, no he didn't need to do that, he's manager of LFC, not Gerrard's dad. Gerrard didn't want to come off against Chelski, nor should he have come off. It was Rodgers there who'd lost the plot, not Gerrard.
 
I personally cannot see why anyone would give this oaf time.

Personality wise he is football Managers equivalent of David Brent..

Tactic wise he just comes across clueless..

Outwitted by Championship Managers.

Shown up against the likes of Hull City.. Aston Villa, Crystal Palace and more
 
The creepiest thing was Rodgers describing his relationship with Gerrard as 'like brothers'. He's only known the bloke for three years, for god's sake. The likes of Wenger, Mourinho and, yes, Ferguson would never have allowed a fading top player to turn a season into a kind of circus. (I don't mean that as a criticism of Steven, who is probably embarrassed by how it all developed.) Of course, there's a media-driven impetus these days - in this case, alas, led by our own horribly nostalgic and sentimental LFCTV mob - but a manager needs to step in and make sure the focus stays firmly on winning each game for the club. The way Rodgers pretty much allowed himself to become so distracted by this stuff that he seemed more interested in choreographing standing ovations than making pertinent tactical changes, well, it was pathetic. He should have been insistent on the team finishing with fight and pride. He should have been considering giving Ryan Kent and Yesil and Wilson and Brannagan a few minutes on the pitch. He should have been trying to give the fans a glimpse of something positive for next season. Christ, he should have been fighting for fourth. The man showed no passion or pride as the manager of a great club.
 
I'm not going back over old ground about being smarter in last summers window, but what were we expecting after playing pretty much an entire season without any strikers that can score goals? Is 5th without any strikers pretty good?
 
Moe Dough said:
Hiya Red. I see your crusade is still ongoing.
Thanks for banning me BTW.
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gkmacca said:
But the 'Gerrard saga' wasn't some kind of natural phenomenon. How it started, how it developed and how Rodgers reacted to it was very much part of his responsibility. It needn't have happened at all, and certainly not in the way it did. Pissing Gerrard off by 'resting' him against Real Madrid, belatedly telling him he wouldn't be a regular starter, etc etc. You make it sound like a problem with the under soil heating system. Rodgers wasn't a helpless bystander. And as for having to decide how to deploy him to give him his lap of honour - again, no he didn't need to do that, he's manager of LFC, not Gerrard's dad. Gerrard didn't want to come off against Chelski, nor should he have come off. It was Rodgers there who'd lost the plot, not Gerrard.
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Yes, Rodgers has to accept some responsibility for all of that...I think I said as much in my post. But my point remains it was a total one off season. When did we ever enter a season having lost so many of the previous campaign's goals? When did we last see such a prolonged send-off to a talisman? Rodgers should now be given the chance to show that this season has been a one-off...and if he can't, then he should go...but give him that chance first.
 
leftpeg said:
When did we last see such a prolonged send-off to a talisman? .
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Again, this wasn't some inexorable natural occurrence (although, since you asked, it was Keegan in 1976-7, and we did quite well that season). And as for losing a striker, did we have a transfer embargo? This all sounds like therapy speak - 'Oh heck, it was my unconscious again!' People at the club, and certainly Rodgers, are partly culpable for these things. It's not Dutch Elm disease. You don't just sit back and wait for it all to blow over.
 
We lost Suarez and Sturridge.

I dont think we replaced them well.
I guess the biggest issue is the failure of Balotelli. Id give Mr Rodgers the summer but we need to be off to a flyer and well in the top 4 mix by December.
If at that time we havnt progressed in terms of players, play and position I would be actively looking for change.

For me the guy built a quality side, its not really his fault that Suarez, Sturridge and to a lesser extent Flanagan went missing for this season. It is partly his fault we spent 100m and ended up worse than we were, but again a lot of our signings are young and will improve.

I dunno, I think its just too early to pull the trigger, and I dont really care what he says or about his philosophy or personality. I only care about results
Last season we finished 2nd
This season 5th.
If we arent back in the mix next year then his time will be up.
 
Herr Onceared said:
We lost Suarez and Sturridge.

I dont think we replaced them well.
I guess the biggest issue is the failure of Balotelli. Id give Mr Rodgers the summer but we need to be off to a flyer and well in the top 4 mix by December.
If at that time we havnt progressed in terms of players, play and position I would be actively looking for change.

For me the guy built a quality side, its not really his fault that Suarez, Sturridge and to a lesser extent Flanagan went missing for this season. It is partly his fault we spent 100m and ended up worse than we were, but again a lot of our signings are young and will improve.

I dunno, I think its just too early to pull the trigger, and I dont really care what he says or about his philosophy or personality. I only care about results
Last season we finished 2nd
This season 5th.
If we arent back in the mix next year then his time will be up.
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Has it not been your experience Oncy, though, that when we feel this way about a Manager (and I agree with you above), that they never deliver when the trigger is this close to being pulled. The team can feel the doubt. For this reason, I think to give him next season would be a waste of a season
 
My problem with him isn't the results, it's the performances, and the lack of any apparent direction.

The only time all season we've looked half-decent - *all season* - is when we adopted an experimental formation that was clearly tried out of desperation. Once other teams worked it out we just collapsed.

I think that's because right from the start Rodgers has had no clear plan for how we were going to reconfigure the attack without Suarez. The 4231 looked ineffectual even before Sturridge got injured. There were big question marks hanging over it: can Sturridge work well as a lone striker? Even if he can, who'll fill in when he's injured? Balotelli certainly isn't that player (I know he wasn't his choice but was he even aware of this aspect of signing him?). Where are the other goals coming from? Sterling and Coutinho don't score many, nor does Markovic, and Lallana's only average.

That's before you even get to the total shambles he's made of the defence.
 
Herr Onceared said:
We lost Suarez and Sturridge.

I dont think we replaced them well.
I guess the biggest issue is the failure of Balotelli. Id give Mr Rodgers the summer but we need to be off to a flyer and well in the top 4 mix by December.
If at that time we havnt progressed in terms of players, play and position I would be actively looking for change.

For me the guy built a quality side, its not really his fault that Suarez, Sturridge and to a lesser extent Flanagan went missing for this season. It is partly his fault we spent 100m and ended up worse than we were, but again a lot of our signings are young and will improve.

I dunno, I think its just too early to pull the trigger, and I dont really care what he says or about his philosophy or personality. I only care about results
Last season we finished 2nd
This season 5th.
If we arent back in the mix next year then his time will be up.
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I'm not buying this Suarez and Sturridge nonsense..

Yes it left a gaping hole.. and it definitely could be argued we didn't adequately replace..

UTD finished 4th with an arguably worse side than they had last season.

Injuries.. no defence and a couple of failed signings in Di Maria and Falcao.. Rooney or of form for a good while.. Van Persie Injured..

You adapt.. Rodgers failed to do that with the players he had at his disposal

We called on Lucas ffs to save our bacon mid season. A Player that was surplass to requirements. .

The biggest problem is Rodgers inabilty to find a System for players that don't fit into idealismns.. and not noticing when a system is not working quick enough..
 
I don't get the give him till Christmas thoughts. Who would we get in at Christmas to replace him? Nobody you would want to keep long term.

He's got to go. If he stays we will end up between 8th and 12th next season. No fight or organisation from those on the pitch. Poor signings will continue because we don't have the pull at all with him as manager. People are blaming the transfer committee. Rodgers is on that committee.

I can also do without a summer of his bull shit sound bites.
 
How many time this season have we had a poor result and performance then the following game Rodgers has played the same players and the same tactics and expected a different result. We might have gone on a 13 match unbeaten run (which Rodgers never fails to mention) but that doesn't excuse the fact that we started the season poorly and ended the season poorly.
 
I think the worst part of this all is that we could have easily finished forth. United drop 6 points a month
 
gkmacca said:
Again, this wasn't some inexorable natural occurrence (although, since you asked, it was Keegan in 1976-7, and we did quite well that season). And as for losing a striker, did we have a transfer embargo? This all sounds like therapy speak - 'Oh heck, it was my unconscious again!' People at the club, and certainly Rodgers, are partly culpable for these things. It's not Dutch Elm disease. You don't just sit back and wait for it all to blow over.
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So a once in almost 40 year occurrence? And we replaced KK with the man manager wanted and with an investment that broke the British transfer record. How likely is that to happen this time? For a whole variety of reasons we've pretty much been on hold this season. Now Rodgers needs to be given the chance to take us forward again...and if he can't, he goes.
 
Yes, we acted. We did something. We didn't genuflect to Fate whilst weeping and gnashing our teeth. And Keegan announcing he was going did not put the season on hold, and it didn't distract the team from playing with passion and commitment and urgency. You seem to see Rodgers as some kind of tragic Greek hero, constrained by forces outside his control, whilst the God Gerrard wheels his chariot through the polis. However you want to excuse Rodgers for his mistakes, his failure to act and his giddy eagerness to let a sideshow replace the main event, the reality remains he's spent plenty, he's managed his new signings badly, and he's shown a startlingly poor ability to cope with circumstances that plenty of managers of lesser teams would have relished responding to. If Rodgers was the victim of circumstances this season, he'll be so again next.
 
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