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David Silva - the new Luis Garcia? Minus the goals

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[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=33906.msg881212#msg881212 date=1244023495]
Meanwhile, Benitez is said to have launched another bid to sign David Silva from Valencia.

The Spain international tops Benitez's wish list this summer, and Liverpool are believed to have offered £15 million plus Andrei Voronin.

the times
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So we value Silva at 10M then.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33906.msg881219#msg881219 date=1244023701]
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=33906.msg881212#msg881212 date=1244023495]
Meanwhile, Benitez is said to have launched another bid to sign David Silva from Valencia.

The Spain international tops Benitez's wish list this summer, and Liverpool are believed to have offered £15 million plus Andrei Voronin.

the times
[/quote]

So we value Silva at 10M then.
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No, £15m plus Voronin.
 
£15M + Babel would be a goodish deal for all three parties.

Poor fuckers, imagine the grim reality of replacing David Villa with Andrei Voronin
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33906.msg881219#msg881219 date=1244023701]
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=33906.msg881212#msg881212 date=1244023495]
Meanwhile, Benitez is said to have launched another bid to sign David Silva from Valencia.

The Spain international tops Benitez's wish list this summer, and Liverpool are believed to have offered £15 million plus Andrei Voronin.

the times
[/quote]

So we value Silva at 10M then.
[/quote]

No, £15m plus Voronin.
[/quote]

Something about a plane flying overhead.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33906.msg881226#msg881226 date=1244023897]
[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=33906.msg881221#msg881221 date=1244023761]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33906.msg881219#msg881219 date=1244023701]
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=33906.msg881212#msg881212 date=1244023495]
Meanwhile, Benitez is said to have launched another bid to sign David Silva from Valencia.

The Spain international tops Benitez's wish list this summer, and Liverpool are believed to have offered £15 million plus Andrei Voronin.

the times
[/quote]

So we value Silva at 10M then.
[/quote]

No, £15m plus Voronin.
[/quote]

Something about a plane flying overhead.
[/quote]

I think you are trying to say "whoosh"

regards
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33906.msg880309#msg880309 date=1243934510]
Can anyone think of any other diminutive, physically weak, not very quick, foreign imports who came over here from a big club with a big reputation, an established international, the ability to play in several positions, great technique and failed fucking utterly?

Clue: name begins with D and sounds a bit like "echo".
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Zola?
 
I agree 100% with bren, silva's goal scoring borders on disgraceful, doesn't have the pace to get away from players and if he posses the killer ball to open up teams why is his assist tally no more than modest? personally I think he is better than reira but not a 'lot' better than reira.
people can point to torres and say his goal scoring was no more than average in spain, which is true, but he had the tools, pace, strength and world class ability. I think silva has better than average ability but none of the attributes that make me think he will take the premiereship by storm.
 
personally I think we should drop the search for an out and out winger and sign a player who is comfortable playing in any of the front four positions, LM/RM/forward and at a push center forward.
because I don't think there is a left winger with the skill, pace and goal threat to service our needs.
 
[quote author=Glock link=topic=33906.msg880363#msg880363 date=1243941491]
Children here are getting too fucking excited over Silva here. He's a decent player but if we sign him, he could be a better player. Playing in a better team, plus Spanish players, easily adapt and still young. We just need to gamble and fucking sign him!
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Agreed Glock.
 
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=33906.msg881212#msg881212 date=1244023495]
Meanwhile, Benitez is said to have launched another bid to sign David Silva from Valencia.

The Spain international tops Benitez's wish list this summer, and Liverpool are believed to have offered £15 million plus Andrei Voronin.

the times
[/quote]

Deal of the summer if we manage to get a shit player out and a good one in - all in the same transfer.

I can't see them having it for some reason lol
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33906.msg881393#msg881393 date=1244035624]
I agree 100% with bren, silva's goal scoring borders on disgraceful, doesn't have the pace to get away from players and if he posses the killer ball to open up teams why is his assist tally no more than modest? personally I think he is better than reira but not a 'lot' better than reira.
[/quote]

What?

His goalscoring record is the equivalent of or better than Deco (Barca), Iniesta, Aimar (Valencia), Nasri (Marseille)....

There is definite room for improvement, but disgraceful??!?!?
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33906.msg881420#msg881420 date=1244037093]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33906.msg881393#msg881393 date=1244035624]
I agree 100% with bren, silva's goal scoring borders on disgraceful, doesn't have the pace to get away from players and if he posses the killer ball to open up teams why is his assist tally no more than modest? personally I think he is better than reira but not a 'lot' better than reira.
[/quote]

What?

His goalscoring record is the equivalent of or better than Deco (Barca), Iniesta, Aimar (Valencia), Nasri (Marseille)....

There is definite room for improvement, but disgraceful??!?!?
[/quote]
I personally don't think we should be spending over 20m on someone who is averaging 7 goals a season in an attacking position.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33906.msg881540#msg881540 date=1244043941]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33906.msg881420#msg881420 date=1244037093]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33906.msg881393#msg881393 date=1244035624]
I agree 100% with bren, silva's goal scoring borders on disgraceful, doesn't have the pace to get away from players and if he posses the killer ball to open up teams why is his assist tally no more than modest? personally I think he is better than reira but not a 'lot' better than reira.
[/quote]

What?

His goalscoring record is the equivalent of or better than Deco (Barca), Iniesta, Aimar (Valencia), Nasri (Marseille)....

There is definite room for improvement, but disgraceful??!?!?
[/quote]
I personally don't think we should be spending over 20m on someone who is averaging 7 goals a season in an attacking position.
[/quote]

I'm not sold on Silva, but 7 goals is a start, it's better than what Albert averaged over here. Torres is forever being mentioned in relation to this, for scoring less goals in Spain that over here. I think what's important to factor is the quality of the goals he scores, which look very good from what I've seen, and how creative he can be. I think in a better side he'd score more especially as he gets closer to his peak age.
 
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=33906.msg881420#msg881420 date=1244037093]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33906.msg881393#msg881393 date=1244035624]
I agree 100% with bren, silva's goal scoring borders on disgraceful, doesn't have the pace to get away from players and if he posses the killer ball to open up teams why is his assist tally no more than modest? personally I think he is better than reira but not a 'lot' better than reira.
[/quote]

What?

His goalscoring record is the equivalent of or better than Deco (Barca), Iniesta, Aimar (Valencia), Nasri (Marseille)....

There is definite room for improvement, but disgraceful??!?!?
[/quote]
I personally don't think we should be spending over 20m on someone who is averaging 7 goals a season in an attacking position.
[/quote]

I would guess his goalscoring record would be quite similar to Joe Cole's who plays a similar role and has been on the wish-list of many posters for many years.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=33906.msg881544#msg881544 date=1244044151]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33906.msg881540#msg881540 date=1244043941]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33906.msg881420#msg881420 date=1244037093]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33906.msg881393#msg881393 date=1244035624]
I agree 100% with bren, silva's goal scoring borders on disgraceful, doesn't have the pace to get away from players and if he posses the killer ball to open up teams why is his assist tally no more than modest? personally I think he is better than reira but not a 'lot' better than reira.
[/quote]

What?

His goalscoring record is the equivalent of or better than Deco (Barca), Iniesta, Aimar (Valencia), Nasri (Marseille)....

There is definite room for improvement, but disgraceful??!?!?
[/quote]
I personally don't think we should be spending over 20m on someone who is averaging 7 goals a season in an attacking position.
[/quote]

I'm not sold on Silva, but 7 goals is a start, it's better than what Albert averaged over here. Torres is forever being mentioned in relation to this, for scoring less goals in Spain that over here. I think what's important to factor is the quality of the goals he scores, which look very good from what I've seen, and how creative he can be. I think in a better side he'd score more especially as he gets closer to his peak age.
[/quote]

very much so.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33906.msg881545#msg881545 date=1244044199]
That is a more normal way of putting it. The borders on disgraceful sounded a bit mental.
[/quote]

'disgraceful' is maybe heavy handid but we're talking 20+ million here.
also just because torres had average stats and exploded oesn't mean others will. you mentioned nasri and deco have their scoring stats risen above average since joining the english league?
 
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=33906.msg881549#msg881549 date=1244044312]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=33906.msg881544#msg881544 date=1244044151]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33906.msg881540#msg881540 date=1244043941]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33906.msg881420#msg881420 date=1244037093]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33906.msg881393#msg881393 date=1244035624]
I agree 100% with bren, silva's goal scoring borders on disgraceful, doesn't have the pace to get away from players and if he posses the killer ball to open up teams why is his assist tally no more than modest? personally I think he is better than reira but not a 'lot' better than reira.
[/quote]

What?

His goalscoring record is the equivalent of or better than Deco (Barca), Iniesta, Aimar (Valencia), Nasri (Marseille)....

There is definite room for improvement, but disgraceful??!?!?
[/quote]
I personally don't think we should be spending over 20m on someone who is averaging 7 goals a season in an attacking position.
[/quote]

I'm not sold on Silva, but 7 goals is a start, it's better than what Albert averaged over here. Torres is forever being mentioned in relation to this, for scoring less goals in Spain that over here. I think what's important to factor is the quality of the goals he scores, which look very good from what I've seen, and how creative he can be. I think in a better side he'd score more especially as he gets closer to his peak age.
[/quote]

very much so.
[/quote]

I'd rather a great goal scorer than a scorer of great goals.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33906.msg881557#msg881557 date=1244044542]
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=33906.msg881549#msg881549 date=1244044312]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=33906.msg881544#msg881544 date=1244044151]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33906.msg881540#msg881540 date=1244043941]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33906.msg881420#msg881420 date=1244037093]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33906.msg881393#msg881393 date=1244035624]
I agree 100% with bren, silva's goal scoring borders on disgraceful, doesn't have the pace to get away from players and if he posses the killer ball to open up teams why is his assist tally no more than modest? personally I think he is better than reira but not a 'lot' better than reira.
[/quote]

What?

His goalscoring record is the equivalent of or better than Deco (Barca), Iniesta, Aimar (Valencia), Nasri (Marseille)....

There is definite room for improvement, but disgraceful??!?!?
[/quote]
I personally don't think we should be spending over 20m on someone who is averaging 7 goals a season in an attacking position.
[/quote]

I'm not sold on Silva, but 7 goals is a start, it's better than what Albert averaged over here. Torres is forever being mentioned in relation to this, for scoring less goals in Spain that over here. I think what's important to factor is the quality of the goals he scores, which look very good from what I've seen, and how creative he can be. I think in a better side he'd score more especially as he gets closer to his peak age.
[/quote]

very much so.
[/quote]

I'd rather a great goal scorer than a scorer of great goals.
[/quote]

i'm well more into my own opinions than yours.
 
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=33906.msg881560#msg881560 date=1244044609]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33906.msg881557#msg881557 date=1244044542]
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=33906.msg881549#msg881549 date=1244044312]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=33906.msg881544#msg881544 date=1244044151]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33906.msg881540#msg881540 date=1244043941]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33906.msg881420#msg881420 date=1244037093]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33906.msg881393#msg881393 date=1244035624]
I agree 100% with bren, silva's goal scoring borders on disgraceful, doesn't have the pace to get away from players and if he posses the killer ball to open up teams why is his assist tally no more than modest? personally I think he is better than reira but not a 'lot' better than reira.
[/quote]

What?

His goalscoring record is the equivalent of or better than Deco (Barca), Iniesta, Aimar (Valencia), Nasri (Marseille)....

There is definite room for improvement, but disgraceful??!?!?
[/quote]
I personally don't think we should be spending over 20m on someone who is averaging 7 goals a season in an attacking position.
[/quote]

I'm not sold on Silva, but 7 goals is a start, it's better than what Albert averaged over here. Torres is forever being mentioned in relation to this, for scoring less goals in Spain that over here. I think what's important to factor is the quality of the goals he scores, which look very good from what I've seen, and how creative he can be. I think in a better side he'd score more especially as he gets closer to his peak age.
[/quote]

very much so.
[/quote]

I'd rather a great goal scorer than a scorer of great goals.
[/quote]

i'm well more into my own opinions than yours.
[/quote]

which is fair enough. given the choice I'd much rather we went for tevez because although he isn't a left winger given the games he will average double figures in the league.
 
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=33906.msg881569#msg881569 date=1244045072]
well i've seen a lot of silva, over the years, and i reckon he'd be class for us.
[/quote]

erm, I've seen silva too, who forms an opinion of someone they've never seen? for the record I thought morientes wouldn't do the business for us either.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33906.msg881575#msg881575 date=1244045339]
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=33906.msg881569#msg881569 date=1244045072]
well i've seen a lot of silva, over the years, and i reckon he'd be class for us.
[/quote]

erm, I've seen silva too, who forms an opinion of someone they've never seen? for the record I thought morientes wouldn't do the business for us either.
[/quote]

the fact that you have to regress about 5 years to find a player you called correctly tells me all i need to know.
 
the fact that you have to regress about 5 years to find a player you called correctly tells me all i need to know.
Click to expand...

Not everyone can be right all the time. Not even Ryan and his chalkboard.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33906.msg881581#msg881581 date=1244045842]
the fact that you have to regress about 5 years to find a player you called correctly tells me all i need to know.
Click to expand...

Not everyone can be right all the time. Not even Ryan and his chalkboard.
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lol
 
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[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=33906.msg881569#msg881569 date=1244045072]
well i've seen a lot of silva, over the years, and i reckon he'd be class for us.
[/quote]

erm, I've seen silva too, who forms an opinion of someone they've never seen? for the record I thought morientes wouldn't do the business for us either.
[/quote]

the fact that you have to regress about 5 years to find a player you called correctly tells me all i need to know.
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I meant from spain, I also said reira was decidedly average in spain so don't expect anything.
hey, if we sign him I hope he does 'a torres' I just don't see it.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33906.msg881557#msg881557 date=1244044542]


I'd rather a great goal scorer than a scorer of great goals.
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That's not really the point Neil, I didn't mean about spectacular 30 yard strikes or anything, he hits his goals with good technique and in varying ways which suggests that he's at least capable of building on what he's done so far upto his relatively young age of 23(?) thanks to his own natural ability and good movement. And as said, in a side that was probably the best attacking team in Europe for the second half of last season (well second only to Barca maybe) he'd surely have the foundations to show what he can really do.

Like I said, I'm not sold on him, mainly because he's never kicked a Premiership ball, but we'd never find out if everyone held back because of that concern. The price has got to be right, but based on what I've seen so far he's a very good prospect.
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33906.msg881557#msg881557 date=1244044542]


I'd rather a great goal scorer than a scorer of great goals.
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That's not really the point Neil, I didn't mean about spectacular 30 yard strikes or anything, he hits his goals with good technique and in varying ways which suggests that he's at least capable of building on what he's done so far upto his relatively young age of 23(?) thanks to his own natural ability and good movement. And as said, in a side that was probably the best attacking team in Europe for the second half of last season (well second only to Barca maybe) he'd surely have the foundations to show what he can really do.

Like I said, I'm not sold on him, mainly because he's never kicked a Premiership ball, but we'd never find out if everyone held back because of that concern. The price has got to be right, but based on what I've seen so far he's a very good prospect.
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well after tevez, sure, why not? I think we should approach tevez first and if that doesn't happen then go after silva (looks like tevez has gone to city, wankers). like I said if we get silva I hope he does 'a torres' rather than 'a moreintes'.
 
how many players are going to score shit loads on the left? not many is the answer. I think Silva might get us 5-7 a season and a few of those could be very important?

I dont know what else you expect, no one is capable of scoring boat loads from wide positions at this level, apart from the likes of Ronaldo
 
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