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Of course suarez would be able to do it. He's a boss.
It is the reason Suarez gets forgiven for missing so many opportunities. That is, because he creates the vast majority of them for himself. Once Suarez starts scoring (and I'm still vaguely optimistic that he will at some point), he'll be unstoppable.

I disagree that he would be wasted in one of the wide positions, though. He regularly drifts into wide areas anyway, and he's quite capable of cutting inside. When we bought Borini, I was under the impression that Rodgers planned to play him through the middle.

Not wasted, I was a bit over dramatic in my first post, his impact from out wide would be considerably less, he'd still be a terror though. I think maybe the best plan is to play Borini through the middle but encourage Suarez to come inside and swap with Borini at times. That would drive defenders mad.
 
Former Fulham hero Brian McBride today backed Clint Dempsey to be a success at Liverpool if the disaffected forward gets his dream move to Anfield.

McBride, who made nearly 150 appearances for Fulham, said of his fellow American: “Clint’s not only got the talent and the ability, but he’s a very determined individual. He adapts extremely well to so many different situations.

“Take Fulham. He’s had four or five different coaches but he’s always put his head down and shown them what he’s made of. I think that’s a sign not only of a very good player but one who is able to adapt and make the transition regardless of who the manager is.”

Following Saturday 5-0 thumping of Norwich, Fulham boss Martin Jol claimed that Liverpool had yet to table a formal offer. Dempsey played no part in the game but Jol would not confirm that the 29-year-old had gone on strike in order to engineer a transfer.

Jol said: “To say he refused to play is probably a bit harsh. For me, it was a very awkward situation, and it was for him as well.”

It is understood that Sunderland have also expressed an interest in USA international Dempsey.

Meanwhile, Fulham have been linked with former Arsenal striker Eduardo, the Brazil-born Croatian who now plays for Ukrainian side Shakhtar Donetsk.

Twente chairman Joop Munsterman also claimed today that the Dutch club are discussing a possible deal for Brazilian defender Douglas with Fulham and Newcastle.

He said: “Both clubs [Fulham and Newcastle] want to do business with us. Douglas may leave the club.”
 
I was wondering why we were taking so long to sign Dempsey. Now I see we are waiting for other clubs to come in for him so we can get in a bidding war.
 
If Dempsey is part of Rodgers long term plans we can wait and just pick him up on a free next year
 
Clint Dempsey grew up in a trailer park in a small east Texas town where one in four families has a single parent and one in five is below the poverty line. Both Dempsey's parents were at home but to finance the three-times-a-week, six-hour round trips they made to Dallas to enable the teenaged Clint to attend training, the family went without holidays and sold possessions.

While a teenager, Dempsey lost his sister, a promising tennis junior, to a brain aneurysm. "Not everything has been cupcakes and ice cream and happy endings," he once said. "It's been a grind. It's been tough. But that's what made me who I am."

What he is at the moment is a footballer on strike. A man who has turned his back on the club which brought him to England, made him a global star and has handsomely paid him for six years.

In the new post-Olympic mood, this is another own-goal for football, but why should Dempsey care about that? In five years' time, possibly less, he is likely to be back in the United States playing out his career in Major League Soccer. In an ideal world, he would like to be able to return to Craven Cottage and be feted, but it will not be high on his priorities. He knows as well as any footballer how quickly his status can go from indispensable to expendable. His life experiences have taught him that he and his family come first, and to seize opportunities when they arise.

The opportunity currently on his horizon is the chance to play for Liverpool, a club whose history has for some years outstripped its performance but which remains a drawcard. Dempsey is now 29, the same age as Robin van Persie, and like Manchester United's latest recruit the American knows he has one big move left in him.

As with Van Persie at Arsenal, Dempsey has one year left on his contract, which means next year he can leave for nothing. But Dempsey does not want to wait, he wants to be in at the beginning of Brendan Rodgers' revolution because he knows in football a lot can happen in a year. Dempsey may be injured then, or out of form, Rodgers may have signed someone else, the Fenway Sports Group may refuse to sanction a long-term £50,000-a-week-plus deal for a 30-year-old.

Traditionally what happens in these circumstances is the clubs agree a fee and the player moves, but Liverpool are yet to bid and are unlikely to match Fulham's valuation of a player who is of similar age to Van Persie, more versatile and with a better injury record. In the meantime, Dempsey has broken with convention and is facing the bitter contempt of the fans who once hailed him, and the wider disgust of the football world.

Two years ago, Fulham's manager walked out to join Liverpool, yet Roy Hodgson is now an admired England manager and still popular at Craven Cottage. So why the opprobrium for Dempsey? Many of the fans who jeered him at the weekend would happily walk out of their current job if they received a better offer elsewhere.

One factor is that while most Fulham fans can understand Dempsey desiring to play in the Champions League, Liverpool show few signs of returning to a competition they last graced in 2010. From a wider perspective, the difference is that Dempsey, unlike Hodgson and most football fans, has an enviable security of contract. Even when a club goes bust the players still get paid. Clubs may make life uncomfortable for unwanted players, but they cannot sack them.

Dempsey has every right to want to move, but he should honour his contract until he gets his wish. The Professional Footballers' Association should be condemning Dempsey for refusing to play, for he is bringing into disrepute the rights they have fought for over generations. Their silence is deafening.

Yet Dempsey could be forgiven for feeling cynical about the fans' outrage. In December 2010, Carlos Tevez handed in a written transfer request. In June 2011, he said from Argentina he would not return to Manchester even on vacation. In September 2011, he refused to come on as a substitute in Munich and spent much of the winter playing golf in South America. Even when Tevez returned to score several goals in the title run-in, it seemed that this was merely a means of putting himself in the shop window for a transfer to Italy, Spain or Paris.

But no one wanted him, so he remains in Manchester – and when on Sunday he scored City's first goal of the season he was cheered to the rafters. If Dempsey ends up staying at Fulham will he, too, be welcomed back into the fold as soon as the goals go in, or will Fulham fans be more principled?
 
It's all great saying that Borini would have finished all those chances if he played in the middle, but the reason nearly all of those chances were created is because Suarez was in the middle and his superb movement or skill fashioned the chances. Out wide Suarez won't be able to do what he does anywhere near as effectively and we'll look even more toothless.

I'm sure Suarez was playing the equivalent of Inside Left in the NL and also for Uruguay. His record is pretty ace out there and he has less men to beat.
 
If he was planning on winning a Masters tourney he should have kept Bellamy

#golfpun

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It's all great saying that Borini would have finished all those chances if he played in the middle, but the reason nearly all of those chances were created is because Suarez was in the middle and his superb movement or skill fashioned the chances. Out wide Suarez won't be able to do what he does anywhere near as effectively and we'll look even more toothless.
Maybe he'll fashion those chances as cut backs for Borini.
 
It is the reason Suarez gets forgiven for missing so many opportunities. That is, because he creates the vast majority of them for himself. Once Suarez starts scoring (and I'm still vaguely optimistic that he will at some point), he'll be unstoppable.

I disagree that he would be wasted in one of the wide positions, though. He regularly drifts into wide areas anyway, and he's quite capable of cutting inside. When we bought Borini, I was under the impression that Rodgers planned to play him through the middle.

I think the ideal scenario is having players who can interchange positions in the front 3 throughout the game, giving the defenders little chance to come to terms with a particular opponent. Suarez and Borini could clearly do this, and our new Morrocan player, who I'm going to call Mo, also looks capable of playing across the front 3. Let's play a fluid shifting front 3 that confuses the bajaysus out of our opponents.
 
I think the ideal scenario is having players who can interchange positions in the front 3 throughout the game, giving the defenders little chance to come to terms with a particular opponent. Suarez and Borini could clearly do this, and our new Morrocan player, who I'm going to call Mo, also looks capable of playing across the front 3. Let's play a fluid shifting front 3 that confuses the bajaysus out of our opponents.
Exactly how I imagined us to play

Borini needed to cut inside more last match, but it's how we should play
 
Obviously if that's not how Rodgers wants us to play then fair enough, after all Graham never drifted wide last season; but with our front 3 (at least potentially) we should utilise the intelligence if borini and suarez as much as possible
 
I think the ideal scenario is having players who can interchange positions in the front 3 throughout the game, giving the defenders little chance to come to terms with a particular opponent. Suarez and Borini could clearly do this, and our new Morrocan player, who I'm going to call Mo, also looks capable of playing across the front 3. Let's play a fluid shifting front 3 that confuses the bajaysus out of our opponents.

So your previous suggestion of playing Gerrard in that front 3 has been shelved for a while has it?
 
So your previous suggestion of playing Gerrard in that front 3 has been shelved for a while has it?

Why couldn't Gerrard play there?

His movement is good and he can pick his moments, he's clinical and has vision
 
I think the ideal scenario is having players who can interchange positions in the front 3 throughout the game, giving the defenders little chance to come to terms with a particular opponent. Suarez and Borini could clearly do this, and our new Morrocan player, who I'm going to call Mo, also looks capable of playing across the front 3. Let's play a fluid shifting front 3 that confuses the bajaysus out of our opponents.

Definitely.
 
I have thought that, but lately whenever I've seen Stevie play, he always looks like he's playing very within himself - hardly ever uses a burst of pace, never really lashes it.

I think he's worried about the groin, he's like Chris Eubank after he brain damaged Michael Watson, I've got a bad feeling we'll never see quite the same player again.

(I may well be wrong, I haven't seen us much lately)
 
I have thought that, but lately whenever I've seen Stevie play, he always looks like he's playing very within himself - hardly ever uses a burst of pace, never really lashes it.

I think he's worried about the groin, he's like Chris Eubank after he brain damaged Michael Watson, I've got a bad feeling we'll never see quite the same player again.

(I may well be wrong, I haven't seen us much lately)

Probably, but I think Gerrard could mildly get away with it up front. He can pick his moments more

Probably optimism by me though
 
So your previous suggestion of playing Gerrard in that front 3 has been shelved for a while has it?


To be honest I'd rather see him there than in CM at the minute. I don't see why it is so ridiculous. He's like kryptonite to the CM, and has been throughout last season. The front 3 gives him license to attack with less positional discipline required.
 
Stevie can't do it up front now. Three years ago if we had this problem he could've probably done ok, now he simply can't.

I think people need to carefully watch Gerrard for 3/4 games, he only does things in spurts, he hasn't lashed in a proper long range shot in god knows how long, & whilst he is effective at times, other times he's almost a liability.

I'm not saying it to have a go, I just think people are remembering his past performance as much as watching him. Imo we need to rest him at least every third game this season. I have no doubt he'll be damn good against city cos he's had a good rest again, in which case he'll be one of our best players. We just need an effective replacement for that position (shelvey would be the best bet seeing as Cole looks stupidly unfit, again).
 
The problem is, we can't have a midfielder who 'does things in spurts' in this system. Midfielders need to constantly harry and constrict space. Front players are also reponsible for this, of course, but actually it is less damaging if they 'play in spurts'.
 
And btw Ryan, how typical of you to drag up something you disagreed with, but not mentioned in the post, instead of engaging with the actual post in front of you (which I take it, you agreed with). And you wonder why everyone thinks you're a tosser.
 
Why couldn't Gerrard play there?

His movement is good and he can pick his moments, he's clinical and has vision

For so many reasons that the thought of typing them all out makes me fingers hurt at the prospect.

Here's the easiest way of explaining it; look at the functional 4-3-3's operating around the world - Barca, Swansea, Bayern, Spain (a few years back), etc. And look at the wide players in the front 3 for each of them - absolutely none of them play like Steven Gerrard.

They're all quick, can run with the ball, can beat a man, can move things forward 40 yards, can stretch sides, tricky, can score goals, I could keep going here. Think Robben, Messi, and to a lesser extent Nani, Sinclair, Dyer, etc.

I.e. Not Steven Gerrard.
 
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