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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39958.msg1094209#msg1094209 date=1272390624]
so chelsea doing their lap of honour on our final home game of the season doesn't bother anyone?
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fergie's reaction to it 'might' just be worth it
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39958.msg1094209#msg1094209 date=1272390624]
so chelsea doing their lap of honour on our final home game of the season doesn't bother anyone?
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They wouldn't. They can't win it until after the mancs have played (I think)
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39958.msg1094207#msg1094207 date=1272390539]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=39958.msg1094202#msg1094202 date=1272388985]
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=39958.msg1094097#msg1094097 date=1272378133]
As much as i want to win this game against chelsea... i dont want man utd to overtake us in titles!!
[/quote] Oh, so that's what this thread is all about.
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6CM has the most sarcastic posters in the whole internet 😉
[/quote]Yeah. Like that's a real stat!
 
If this match was not against Chelsea, everybody would want us to field a weakened team, assuming we qualify for the final. If we're out of fourth place, there's no reason to lessen our chance of winning a trophy, regardless of who it helps win the league.
 
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=39958.msg1094235#msg1094235 date=1272393523]
If this match was not against Chelsea, everybody would want us to field a weakened team, assuming we qualify for the final. If we're out of fourth place, there's no reason to lessen our chance of winning a trophy, regardless of who it helps win the league.
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we fail to win on thursday there is no real valid excuse for fielding a weakend team. what, to rest them for the world cup?
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39958.msg1094079#msg1094079 date=1272376848]
The Europa is a bit shit, but now we're in the semi-final, why not try and win the trophy?

I'd prefer a trophy to scraping 4th (unlikely as that may be) in some ways, because if we get new owners, BIG investment, and keep our best players (Torres, Gerrard, Masher), ditch the cunts (Lucas, Insua, Eggnog) then maybe we can take a proper full-on crack at winning the title without any other real distractions.

I'm a dreamer, I know.

Torres will stay even without CL football if Benitez stays and we get £100m to buy 3-4 top quality players.


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What makes you think Torres wants Benitez to stay?
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39958.msg1094240#msg1094240 date=1272394025]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=39958.msg1094235#msg1094235 date=1272393523]
If this match was not against Chelsea, everybody would want us to field a weakened team, assuming we qualify for the final. If we're out of fourth place, there's no reason to lessen our chance of winning a trophy, regardless of who it helps win the league.
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we fail to win on thursday there is no real valid excuse for fielding a weakend team. what, to rest them for the world cup?
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Well yes, if players want to. Also it's a good chance to play a few youngsters, try a few things out. No reason to play a full team really. I don't mean drop everyone, just rest whoever needs resting. Players that are tired are more likely to get injured, and given the problems we've had this season, I see no reason to risk anyone when there's nothing for us to play for.

Anyway, a lot will depend on whether we qualify for the final. If we do, there's no question as to what we should do on Sunday.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39958.msg1094241#msg1094241 date=1272394067]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39958.msg1094079#msg1094079 date=1272376848]
The Europa is a bit shit, but now we're in the semi-final, why not try and win the trophy?

I'd prefer a trophy to scraping 4th (unlikely as that may be) in some ways, because if we get new owners, BIG investment, and keep our best players (Torres, Gerrard, Masher), ditch the cunts (Lucas, Insua, Eggnog) then maybe we can take a proper full-on crack at winning the title without any other real distractions.

I'm a dreamer, I know.

Torres will stay even without CL football if Benitez stays and we get £100m to buy 3-4 top quality players.


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What makes you think Torres wants Benitez to stay?

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rafa leaving is an excellent excuse for torres to high tail it out of here. this week torres said the only reason he is here is because of rafa.
 
[quote author=red_maradona link=topic=39958.msg1094206#msg1094206 date=1272390488]
if fielding a weakened team was good enough for shanks then it ought to be for rafa.
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Are you saying Shanks fielded a weakened side so that we'd get beat and our nearest rivals then wouldn't win the league? Or have you just used a different example and thought it would strengthen the "lets lose to Chelsea" argument by mentioning Shanks?
 
The reason I know Torres wants Benitez to stay is because it's obvious

That said, don't let that stop you - or anyone else - embarking on a deluded flight of fancy that it *isn't* the case

But it is
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39958.msg1094280#msg1094280 date=1272396812]
I heard today that this game hasn't sold out.
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True.

There are tickets still available to membership holders via the exchange scheme.

Wasn't Redshrek looking for a couple of extra tickets?
 
Providing we cant get 4th, then I will be quite happy with losing against Chelsea

I would also just play an absolutely scratch side just to rub the Mancs' noses in it.

I came to this conclusion when I was walking through Manc city centre and came across a Scum anti-Liverpool sticker stuck on a lamp-post which had a 'red devil' spearing the liverbird as well as tags such as 'murderers' over it.
 
[quote author=the count link=topic=39958.msg1094287#msg1094287 date=1272397343]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39958.msg1094280#msg1094280 date=1272396812]
I heard today that this game hasn't sold out.
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True.

There are tickets still available to membership holders via the exchange scheme.

Wasn't Redshrek looking for a couple of extra tickets?
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It's becoming a trend of late.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39958.msg1094244#msg1094244 date=1272394286]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39958.msg1094241#msg1094241 date=1272394067]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39958.msg1094079#msg1094079 date=1272376848]
The Europa is a bit shit, but now we're in the semi-final, why not try and win the trophy?

I'd prefer a trophy to scraping 4th (unlikely as that may be) in some ways, because if we get new owners, BIG investment, and keep our best players (Torres, Gerrard, Masher), ditch the cunts (Lucas, Insua, Eggnog) then maybe we can take a proper full-on crack at winning the title without any other real distractions.

I'm a dreamer, I know.

Torres will stay even without CL football if Benitez stays and we get £100m to buy 3-4 top quality players.


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What makes you think Torres wants Benitez to stay?

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rafa leaving is an excellent excuse for torres to high tail it out of here. this week torres said the only reason he is here is because of rafa.
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He's said in the past that Rafa leaving wouldn't cause him to do likewise.
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39958.msg1094244#msg1094244 date=1272394286]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39958.msg1094241#msg1094241 date=1272394067]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39958.msg1094079#msg1094079 date=1272376848]
The Europa is a bit shit, but now we're in the semi-final, why not try and win the trophy?

I'd prefer a trophy to scraping 4th (unlikely as that may be) in some ways, because if we get new owners, BIG investment, and keep our best players (Torres, Gerrard, Masher), ditch the cunts (Lucas, Insua, Eggnog) then maybe we can take a proper full-on crack at winning the title without any other real distractions.

I'm a dreamer, I know.

Torres will stay even without CL football if Benitez stays and we get £100m to buy 3-4 top quality players.


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What makes you think Torres wants Benitez to stay?

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rafa leaving is an excellent excuse for torres to high tail it out of here. this week torres said the only reason he is here is because of rafa.
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He's said in the past that Rafa leaving wouldn't cause him to do likewise.
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that was before europa

B.E. - before europe
A.E. - after europe

marked change in the attitude of torres' interviews
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39958.msg1094255#msg1094255 date=1272395595]
The reason I know Torres wants Benitez to stay is because it's obvious

That said, don't let that stop you - or anyone else - embarking on a deluded flight of fancy that it *isn't* the case

But it is
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Wow, the brilliance of your argument brooks no disagreement.

And yet... I suspect Torres is as bored of Rafa as most of us are, and will be secretly delighted to get a new manager. As long as the new manager's good, of course. Hire Alex McLeish and our no9 will be gone like a shot.
 
He'll pick his best available team for Thursday, and his best available team for Sunday. That's what'll happen.

"Rest players for the Europa Final".

Arse.

Firstly, we need to get to the fucking final.
Secondly, why do they need "rest", the majority of them have been fucking rubbish all season long anyway. What adverse effect is 3 more games going to have?
 
i hope he puts out a team like this vs chelsea regardless of if we can make 4th or not or make the final


-------------------------Reina--------------------------
Johnson-------Carra--------Skrtel-----------Agger
---------------------Mascherano----------------------
--------------Gerrard---------Aquilani----------------
----Yossi------------------------------------Maxi------
----------------------Babel-----------------------------


but id love to see fergies face if we put this team out


-------------------------Cavelleri----------------------
Kelly------------Ayala---------Greek-------Mavinga
--------------------------Duran-------------------------
---Saric--------------------------------------Bruna----
------------------------Pacheco------------------------
------------------LDV----------N'gog-------------------


i have a feeling we will beat atletico tomorrow 2-1 but still get knocked out.. and i think we will beat chelsea 2-0 and gift man utd the title 🙁
 
Ideally it wouldn't be in our hands, but it looks like it probably will be.

I don't want our win to gift Utd the title, I really really don't, but I don't think we can send out a crap team either. We'll never live it down and it'll always be remembered as bad sportsmanship on our part.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=39958.msg1094513#msg1094513 date=1272436447]
Ideally it wouldn't be in our hands, but it looks like it probably will be.

I don't want our win to gift Utd the title, I really really don't, but I don't think we can send out a crap team either. We'll never live it down and it'll always be remembered as bad sportsmanship on our part.
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Yep, Warnock's still banging on about us putting out a "weakened" side v Fulham a few years back before we played in a CL final.
 
Did anyone even read that Times Article posted the other day?

Here's the main extract:

Ferguson, for his own sound reasons, was among those who let open the stable doors by deciding that what is best for United outweighs all other considerations. When other clubs have hoped United might give a game their full attention, he has not always been able to oblige. Some Manchester City fans still have not forgiven him for the team he picked back in May 2001, that included Michael Stewart, Luke Chadwick and Ronnie Wallwork, for the visit of Derby County. “We saw their team and thought we had a little chance,†Jim Smith, the Derby manager, said.

He was proved right. Derby celebrated the most unlikely victory at the home of the champions, securing their top-flight status at City’s expense, and the joking between Ferguson and Smith at the final whistle still rankles among blue die-hards.

Then there was the resting by Ferguson of senior players including Roy Keane, Wayne Rooney and Ruud van Nistelrooy at home to West Bromwich Albion towards the end of the 2004-05 season, and the improbable draw at Old Trafford that helped Bryan Robson’s side to safety.

Most notoriously, Neil Warnock will never shed the bitterness he feels having seen Ferguson rest more than half his first team against West Ham United on the final day of the 2006-07 season. Carlos Tévez scored and Sheffield United were relegated.

Ferguson was looking after United in every case, and will make no apologies for that. Few neutrals condemned him for it. No doubt he will be equally understanding when questions about Benítez, integrity and team selection are put to him before Sunday.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=39958.msg1094513#msg1094513 date=1272436447]
Ideally it wouldn't be in our hands, but it looks like it probably will be.

I don't want our win to gift Utd the title, I really really don't, but I don't think we can send out a crap team either. We'll never live it down and it'll always be remembered as bad sportsmanship on our part.
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We've sent out a crap team on plenty of occasions this season already. As the amount of games we have lost will testify.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39958.msg1094593#msg1094593 date=1272443760]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=39958.msg1094513#msg1094513 date=1272436447]
Ideally it wouldn't be in our hands, but it looks like it probably will be.

I don't want our win to gift Utd the title, I really really don't, but I don't think we can send out a crap team either. We'll never live it down and it'll always be remembered as bad sportsmanship on our part.
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We've sent out a crap team on plenty of occasions this season already. As the amount of games we have lost will testify.
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unfortunately those crap team selections weren't made to be intentionally crap
 
Again, after all we've seen this season, are people now actually worrying we'll win successive games against decent opposition.
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=39958.msg1094604#msg1094604 date=1272444471]
Again, after all we've seen this season, are people now actually worrying we'll win successive games against decent opposition.
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What a season it has been yeah?
 
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=39958.msg1094591#msg1094591 date=1272443514]
Did anyone even read that Times Article posted the other day?

Here's the main extract:

Ferguson, for his own sound reasons, was among those who let open the stable doors by deciding that what is best for United outweighs all other considerations. When other clubs have hoped United might give a game their full attention, he has not always been able to oblige. Some Manchester City fans still have not forgiven him for the team he picked back in May 2001, that included Michael Stewart, Luke Chadwick and Ronnie Wallwork, for the visit of Derby County. “We saw their team and thought we had a little chance,†Jim Smith, the Derby manager, said.

He was proved right. Derby celebrated the most unlikely victory at the home of the champions, securing their top-flight status at City’s expense, and the joking between Ferguson and Smith at the final whistle still rankles among blue die-hards.

Then there was the resting by Ferguson of senior players including Roy Keane, Wayne Rooney and Ruud van Nistelrooy at home to West Bromwich Albion towards the end of the 2004-05 season, and the improbable draw at Old Trafford that helped Bryan Robson’s side to safety.

Most notoriously, Neil Warnock will never shed the bitterness he feels having seen Ferguson rest more than half his first team against West Ham United on the final day of the 2006-07 season. Carlos Tévez scored and Sheffield United were relegated.

Ferguson was looking after United in every case, and will make no apologies for that. Few neutrals condemned him for it. No doubt he will be equally understanding when questions about Benítez, integrity and team selection are put to him before Sunday.

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Funny how Worncock always neglects to mention that a home win against another relegation struggler would have kept his bunch of junkyard dogs up that day. There are few people I despise more in football than that rancid Yorkie blabbermouth.
 
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