Bobby Firmino

[manwithnoname]

That was so, so your opinion though.
You weren’t asking for a reliable goal scorer in any position, you wanted the striker replaced with a reliable goal scoring centre forward.
I have to say though, I doubt even Klopp thought Salah would be so prolific.

Again, it's usually the main striker who has the ability, chances to score 20 goals, so it's hardly that weird.

But to take your tortured logic to its pointless extreme, if anyone had said that this 20 plus goal striker could also possibly be more of a wide attacking player, and would that be acceptable? I would have said "yes, of course, the issue isn't where he plays, it's about how many goals he scores"

I look forward to your response. As long as there isn't one.

 

[juniormember]

Again, it's usually the main striker who has the ability, chances to score 20 goals, so it's hardly that weird.

But to take your tortured logic to its pointless extreme, if anyone had said that this 20 plus goal striker could also possibly be more of a wide attacking player, and would that be acceptable? I would have said "yes, of course, the issue isn't where he plays, it's about how many goals he scores"

I look forward to your response. As long as there isn't one.

Here it is.
You wanted the flabby melt gone. You did not want a new winger to compliment/relieve the goal scoring pressure of the flabby melt.
Why are you so obsessed with not being wrong?

 

[manwithnoname]

Here it is.
You wanted the flabby melt gone. You did not want a new winger to compliment/relieve the goal scoring pressure of the flabby melt.
Why are you so obsessed with not being wrong?

Or, to look at it another way, I was adamant that we needed to get a new player in to score 20-odd league goals, some people disagreed, and said we didn't need one/ there was no such thing available/ it was better to share the goals around/ we were top scorers at Xmas!

Klopp didn't agree and realised we needed a player who would guarantee more goals.

So we bought one.

And we kept Firmino too. So I was right, and we got what we needed, and all the Firmino fanboys are happy because he stayed. And as an added bonus, the addition of another goalscoring, pacy attacker taking the pressure off Firmino to be the main suppler of goals, has meant that Firmino himself is now finally scoring at the sort of level required, given that he's ALREADY matched his best ever total of 11 league goals, and it's only just February!

Everyone's happy!

 

[Oliver Twist]

This is car crash reading.

 

[manwithnoname]

This is car crash reading.

Knowing our luck you're wearing a seat-belt

 

[Woland]

Pretty much everyone agreed it would be ace if we had a 20+ goalscorer, just that you thought Firmino was shit regardless and most others didn't. You were wrong. It's no big deal.

 

[Oliver Twist]

Indeed. Even if Brendan never accepts it, everyone else knows it .As amusing as it is, let's move on .

 

[Modo]

This is hilarious. I've been wrong before, never this wrong. I mean damn.

 

[Mystic]

Must be on the browser here so. Using chrome. Maybe I'm just going a bit mental.

My quality pun completely ignored =(

 

[Hansern]

Rumour is he has signed a new contract, fantastic news if true.

 

[the count]

Rumour is he has signed a new contract, fantastic news if true.

Great.
That's both him and Coutinho on long term contracts.
😵

 

[Oliver Twist]

Rumour is he has signed a new contract, fantastic news if true.

Too flabby to sign it himself. Got his mum to do it.

 

[moron]

I know most of you feel comfortable with both Firminio, and Salah, and Mane - but the truth is that despite this seasons goals (especially Salah's) - they are not the type of strikers we have been used to at this club - two of them are wingers who are capable of scoring goals, and Firminio - despite doing well this year is still a number two. I think we have seen some great strikers over the years who are more capable than any of those three - I mean think back to the PL era - and we have had the likes of Fowler, Collymore, Owen, Torres, and Suarez. What differentiates them from the current lot was how clinical they were when at their best - you just knew that they were going to get you goals in the same way as Aguero does for City.

Personally I still think we need one because just one of those types of players - if supported properly by the rest of the team - will guarantee you goals. Ask yourself this question - if Salah and Mane were injured - would you feel our team has a good chance of getting those goals with just Firminio ? - for all his trickery and clever runs, he has not got that pace needed in the modern day game, and also he is not the fox in the box type despite this season. I am really hoping that both Ings, and Solanke get regular chances now because some of the shit spouted on this site is absolute ballshit with regard to how you feel about those two. They need games and more time - and the only reason they don't get it is because neither of them cost 25M+. I reckon the way we play - if we actually gave them 10 games in a row (which we won't of course) - with 60 mins on the pitch they would both score and maybe become prolific. Don't forget Suarez in his first two seasons like - he was getting in great positions but the final shot was wayward. I just feel we have not given the two of them any chance to prove themselves, - look at how many times Firminio started since joining - its taken him until this season to become a reliable scorer.

 

[FoxForceFive]

That's the problem though.

I actually agree, there's every chance that Frankie or Ings could do the business with a run of games, but we have what, 13/14 games left?

We cannot risk giving either of them a run of games to see if it happens, cos if it costs us points then we don't qualify for the CL.

Of course, injury or suspension could force that upon us, but TBH if it does I think Klopp is more likely to change to a 4-4-2 with a diamond which we have the personnel for even with one of those front three out.

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

Has anything more come of the Holgate incident?
If nothing can be proven about what Firmino did or did not say, I’d like to know when is Holgate going to get charged for pushing Firmino into the stands?

 

[mark1975]

Indeed. Even if Brendan never accepts it, everyone else knows it .As amusing as it is, let's move on .

Heh, you were accusing people of obsessing about who gets the goals, saying that it wasn't important because we were high scoring anyway, even though there were certain games when a more clinical edge was crucial, and our highest scorer got about 13 goals. A few of us said we needed more. Something that you and others scoffed at and ridiculed.

We didn't need a goalscorer, yet much like a few of us had suggested, we went out and bought three attacking players, one of whom has given us a proper goal return, and much to the contrary of popular (ridiculous) opinion, adding a 20 goals plus player hasn't stopped everyone else from scoring, if anything, Coutinho and Firmino were/are having their best seasons.

Like I've said, all this hindsight stuff about Firmino is daft, people seem to think that because he's now having a free scoring season, that it eradicates past concerns. They were valid at the time and we addressed them. We've got a big goalscorer AND Firmino is scoring regularly.

I'm not sure you really warrant this oneupmanship and gloating, considering the myopic nonsense you were coming out with over this subject last year.

 

[Hansern]

I think you're missing the point mate. It started out with an obsession about Firmino not being good enough for us, but was changed to goals once it was proved he was good enough. Now that he's also started scoring more goals it has changed to not enough goals in the league, now he has scored more goals in the league its changed to it was all about addressing more goals to the team in total.

This is why its funny. The ever spinning carousel about not being wrong. When you're wrong. So very very wrong. Everyone can see it but him.
And this is the hole he's digging. He'll reach China in a few weeks.

 

[mark1975]

Not really, regardless of Brendan's opinion of Firmino, some of the ridicule is laughable, given the adamant opinions from the same posters over the same issue last season. Like there wasn't ever a problem to be addressed. Well actually there was and we addressed it with Salah.

 

[Oliver Twist]

Heh, you were accusing people of obsessing about who gets the goals, saying that it wasn't important because we were high scoring anyway, even though there were certain games when a more clinical edge was crucial, and our highest scorer got about 13 goals. A few of us said we needed more. Something that you and others scoffed at and ridiculed.

We didn't need a goalscorer, yet much like a few of us had suggested, we went out and bought three attacking players, one of whom has given us a proper goal return, and much to the contrary of popular (ridiculous) opinion, adding a 20 goals plus player hasn't stopped everyone else from scoring, if anything, Coutinho and Firmino were/are having their best seasons.

Like I've said, all this hindsight stuff about Firmino is daft, people seem to think that because he's now having a free scoring season, that it eradicates past concerns. They were valid at the time and we addressed them. We've got a big goalscorer AND Firmino is scoring regularly.

I'm not sure you really warrant this oneupmanship and gloating, considering the myopic nonsense you were coming out with over this subject last year.

Myopic nonsense? Nup. Maybe you're thinking of someone else.

I said we needed depth in the wide positions. We strengthened there. I also said Firmino would start this season as our first choice. I was correct there, too.

As I said, maybe you're thinking of someone else.

Apology accepted.

 

[gkmacca]

Has anything more come of the Holgate incident?
If nothing can be proven about what Firmino did or did not say, I’d like to know when is Holgate going to get charged for pushing Firmino into the stands?

It's dragging on because, although no evidence has been found, Holgate simply refuses to withdraw his accusation, so the FA, with their recent track record, are terrified of the reaction if they dismiss a claim of racism.

 

[dantes]

Why don't you just come out and say it, Holgate is causing mayhem.

 

[DHSC]

Holgate can fuck off.

 

[MomoWASright]

Everyone associate with Everton can fuck off.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

The argument that I remember was that it doesn't matter how many each individual scores, it's more important how many the team scores. This season we have 57 goals after 25 games, last season we had 54. We have one more point this season. So getting a 20 a season striker hasn't actually made much difference.

 

[Oliver Twist]

The argument that I remember was that it doesn't matter how many each individual scores, it's more important how many the team scores. This season we have 57 goals after 25 games, last season we had 54. We have one more point this season. So getting a 20 a season striker hasn't actually made much difference.

The argument was exactly that .

 

[moron]

I think you're missing the point mate. It started out with an obsession about Firmino not being good enough for us, but was changed to goals once it was proved he was good enough. Now that he's also started scoring more goals it has changed to not enough goals in the league, now he has scored more goals in the league its changed to it was all about addressing more goals to the team in total.

This is why its funny. The ever spinning carousel about not being wrong. When you're wrong. So very very wrong. Everyone can see it but him.
And this is the hole he's digging. He'll reach China in a few weeks.

Lol i really do have tears of laughter reading that last sentence of yours. Top marks.

 

[Mystic]

Not really, regardless of Brendan's opinion of Firmino, some of the ridicule is laughable, given the adamant opinions from the same posters over the same issue last season. Like there wasn't ever a problem to be addressed. Well actually there was and we addressed it with Salah.

I was of the opinion that we needed another goalscoring winger, and Firmino was good enough to lead the line for us, the positions aren't mutually exclusive, and were held by many. The prominent position last season was that whilst Firmino didn't score as much as someone like Aguero, he more than made up for it by allowing more goals to come from the wide positions, which is was so many wanted another goalscoring wide player. Brendans position was to completely disregard the positive aspects of Firmino's game whilst suggesting his only issue was with his goal output, competition dependant on the time of year, the guys a walking contradiction, thats why he gets such ridicule.

 

[mark1975]

The argument that I remember was that it doesn't matter how many each individual scores, it's more important how many the team scores. This season we have 57 goals after 25 games, last season we had 54. We have one more point this season. So getting a 20 a season striker hasn't actually made much difference.

We scored 92 overall last season, we've already scored 76 with 13 league games left and CL football still to play. So I'm pretty sure we'll surpass that, had we kept Coutinho it probably would have been higher. The only reason it's marginal is because we lost a bit from Mane and Lallana, we'll need to replace Coutinho to push on, which will mean more goal threat, along with Kieta, so again, I doubt Klopp is as content as some posters were and seemingly still are.

 

[Judge Jules]

Why don't you just come out and say it, Holgate is causing mayhem.

For the FA maybe, and don't they deserve each other. What the FA seem unable to understand (no really?) is that if they dismiss this charge, as they should have done ages ago, that will actually reflect well on them and their procedure, better in fact then either deserves. Fortunately Firmino seems to have put it all behind him. Which is exactly where it belongs - the whole thing should have been sponsored by Andrex.

 

[dantes]

For the FA maybe, and don't they deserve each other. What the FA seem unable to understand (no really?) is that if they dismiss this charge, as they should have done ages ago, that will actually reflect well on them and their procedure, better in fact then either deserves. Fortunately Firmino seems to have put it all behind him. Which is exactly where it belongs - the whole thing should have been sponsored by Andrex.

What they will eventually figure out to do is release some carefully worded written reasons explaining that they sympathise with Holgate, but that Firmino has to be let off the hook this time due to lack of evidence. Then offer some bullshit recommendation that both players should try to resolve it between themselves through education and mediation. It will be made to look like Firmino is guilty, and the FA did everything they possibly could to bring him to justice.