Bobby Firmino
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Yeah, that was my fault. And like you I was thinking about it and I contacted my Brazilian mate last night with whether he still believed it. This response:
To be honest, I haven't watched much of the EPL this year, though I'm aware that Firmino has been having quite the season. He is one of those players that left Brazil at a really young age(I think he was only 17) so my opinion of him is based mostly on the odd friendlies that he plays for Brazil. I remember him missing a couple of sitters, so thats probably why I said I hate him. Also, after the 7-1, my patience with Brazilian players has become much, much thinner.
I have no doubt he is at least better than Fred and Jô.
He never said he hated him in the first place, he said that Nike and his agent had got him into the Brazil squad to inflate his value but he was actually crap. He didn't address this in the answer.
To be honest, I haven't watched much of the EPL this year, though I'm aware that Firmino has been having quite the season. He is one of those players that left Brazil at a really young age(I think he was only 17) so my opinion of him is based mostly on the odd friendlies that he plays for Brazil. I remember him missing a couple of sitters, so thats probably why I said I hate him. Also, after the 7-1, my patience with Brazilian players has become much, much thinner.
I have no doubt he is at least better than Fred and Jô.
He never said he hated him in the first place, he said that Nike and his agent had got him into the Brazil squad to inflate his value but he was actually crap. He didn't address this in the answer.
It is a not insignificant difference in supporting Studge and Salah. One will try to trick two defenders before shooting from whereever he is, and the other will use speed, smartnes and dedication to give his teammates opportunities.
I just love when insignificance is used to pinpoint significance by the way 😀
Props to Klopp for making him top
Relatively unknown? If I knew him, then he wasn't relatively unknown. His name had been bandied round the transfer traps for ages.
That's true, but it's also true that he was a real nowhere player when stuck out wide in his earlier days. There could be any number of reasons for such a contrast but my guess is that increased confidence, Firmino's own and throughout the club, probably has a lot to do with it.
Didnt he just sign a five year contract after Coutinho left?
Or did I dream that?
Either way it makes no odds if one of the cash rich clubs wants him except gets FSG more money when he does leave.
Or did I dream that?
Either way it makes no odds if one of the cash rich clubs wants him except gets FSG more money when he does leave.
Ha, yeah. It reminded me of that unbelievable bit of play by Suarez in his first game against the Mancs when he bamboozled literally their whole defence.
And let's not get too precious about it either. No-one's saying (I'm certainly not) that the two were identical or that Firmino is at Suarez' level.
Thought his endorsement was with Adidas so why would Nike be arsed about him being in the Brazil squad?
Nike sponsor Brazil, and I think it was 18 officials from Nike and the Brazilian FA / agents did get nicked for this on fraud charges. How that fits in with personal endorsements, I don't know - but you would think fully Nike'd up kids would be more likely to get this treatment, yeah. Like Fred or Jo maybe? Agents and Nike have been paying the Brazilian FA to put players into the international squad to get them big money deals in Europe, that's factual, there are people have been prosecuted. Doubt Frim was involved, but when we signed him that's what this lad was saying, that he simply wasn't good enough to get near Brazil otherwise. I only posted what he told me.
Anyways, Nike insisted Fat Ronaldo play in the 1998 world cup final when he was sick... He was shit and they got fucked. It's corrupt as fuck over there so I get why he said what he thought.
Anyways, Nike insisted Fat Ronaldo play in the 1998 world cup final when he was sick... He was shit and they got fucked. It's corrupt as fuck over there so I get why he said what he thought.
This reminded me more of Coutinho’s goal against De Gea. Different type of finish, but same idea of making the keeper think he is definitely going to cross before squeezing the ball at near post. It’s beautiful when it works.
I loved that goal. You could tell that Phil had studied De Gea's body shape when he drops his knee at the near post and hit the exact gap that he leaves open by his right shoulder.
I was on about buying this guy about a year before we actually did ... and I was ecstatic. However he should never have been played out wide, that's not how he played in Germany and how he made his reputation. We are reaping the benefits of moving him back to a more natural position for him. I still think he'd be ace in the hole with a decent striker ahead of him too, such a pity Aubameyang has gone to the Arse. Maybe for want of a better player Ings can play that role ....
Mane .................. Ings .................... Salah
.......................... Firmino
I don't think Salah is less lauded than Frimino at all, Salah is probably our most important player and everyone thinks he's great. He's been a breath of fresh air. I don't think anyone expected Salah to be such a reliable goalscorer (bar Doc Mac 😉). I don't really remember you being that positive over Salah anyway. You seemed to want a natural #9 as outlined by yourself below. A striker who would score us goals.
I think there's a bunch of reasons why people aren't more excited about Salah.
The obvious one is that there is a perception he failed at Chelsea, couldn't really hack it in the Premiership, and also turned us down to join Chelsea.
Then there's the fact his best position appears to be the one in which Mane plays, and Mane is our best player already. Why would we move him?
And when Mane goes to play in that stupid African Cup competition, Salah will probably be joining him, so that's no help.
More importantly, if we're going to spend £40m, the priority has to be a striker, as welcome as another speedy, goal-scoring winger would be. Our issues have been a lack of an adequate pacy option when Mane isn't there, but buying one who plays in exactly that position and is also African seems a waste.
So yeah, not that excited, but I won't be too unhappy if we buy him. I will be unhappy if buying him means we start the season with Firmino as our first-choice striker though, as he's proven he isn't good enough to play that role.
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The Fab Four turned into the talented two at the start of Jan, Firmino has fortunately been generally ace throughout Manes dip/ Cout leaving.
Both the City goal and the goal the other night were class.
However, Firmino is a striker excelling in klopps system when it works but when it doesnt work, he doesnt work- Without Coutinho we are missing that difference maker in sub par performances, itd be nice to have a class forward who perhaps doesnt defend from the front but offers you that match-winning quality, a Sturridge of 2013 or whatever. Or atleast someoneto bwt on the end of the fucking hopeless and aimless balls punted into the box during those sort of games
Both the City goal and the goal the other night were class.
However, Firmino is a striker excelling in klopps system when it works but when it doesnt work, he doesnt work- Without Coutinho we are missing that difference maker in sub par performances, itd be nice to have a class forward who perhaps doesnt defend from the front but offers you that match-winning quality, a Sturridge of 2013 or whatever. Or atleast someoneto bwt on the end of the fucking hopeless and aimless balls punted into the box during those sort of games
I certainly am delighted and surprised that Salah has scored 19 league goals already. I didn't think he could match his impressive Roma stats. It was great scouting.
But that response you cut and pasted was me musing as to why other people may not be overly excited about Mane, my own honest view was more along these lines:
"I've hardly seen Salah play often enough to have any real opinion, although is pace is always welcome, as are the encouraging stats from his time at Roma."
I hope that helps!
I'm not sure I'd agree with you - Firmino most of the time seems to work whether he scores or not, it's others that seem to let us down (defence, midfield) and as has been shown numerous times Coutinho often wasn't a 'difference maker' in games where we really needed him (there are exceptions - but that can be said of Firmino or Salah or Mane too).
That was so, so your opinion though.
You weren’t asking for a reliable goal scorer in any position, you wanted the striker replaced with a reliable goal scoring centre forward.
I have to say though, I doubt even Klopp thought Salah would be so prolific.
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