Big Andy - good riddance (deal confirmed)
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Based on what exactly?
And that mate, obvs. He'll still score against us though!
He'll do more than that - He'll tear us a new one. 🙁
Carroll finished the season very well with West Ham, I think they, with good reason, see him as their striker of the future. We did well to get the fee we did though. I think he has a very solid career from now on, he is only 24, and his game has developed I think. He scored some key goals for us late in the 11-12 campaign, and I think he will be a very solid player for the coming seasons.
Some other thoughts...
Some other thoughts...
- I don't like the comparisons with Sturridge, for the sole reason that Sturridge had the luxury of playing with Coutinho
- In reality, while Carroll left a bit to be desired in his touch and finishing, I never thought he was that bad. When he was playing well, he would either get subbed off, or not start the next match. When he was playing poorly he would get regular minutes. A lot of his appearances were just a few minutes late in the match, typically to help defend corners or the like iirc, so the numbers weren't really telling the whole story
- Hopefully now that we have some guaranteed cash in hand, we wrap up some of these deals that are floating around, seemingly just waiting to be rubber stamped
point 1 - Carroll played with Suarez, which is as devastating a partner as Coutinho. Let's not pretend as if Coutinho's passing ability would have helped Carroll's strengths much
point 2 - to a degree, i agree. However, it's what I used to say about Babel all the time during Rafa's reign. Let's be honest, if you're good enough and you train well, most managers will stick wth you if you're playing well. There wasn't a vendetta against him from the King ... He just didn't earn more game time, for whatever reason.
No matter how you put it, Sturridge played in a side which had much more attacking threat and creativity than Carroll did. That's not the only reason Sturridge played better, I agree, but it's easier to score when Coutinho is passing you the ball than when Downing is crossing it to you(Which was the primary strategy).
Kenny also played Henderson out of position for most of the season on the right, for whatever reason. Until there's an actual concrete reason, I can't blame the player.
I don't know - I seem to remember Carroll (& the team) missing so many of Stu's chances - which was one of the most painful things about the '0 assist line' - he should have had 10 his first season! Yes, the team has more creativity now but again, that doesn't work to Carroll's strength ... He needs a Newcastle team pre: The French Revolution or this current West Ham team to succeed.
Henderson played a lot out there for Sunderland. Some of their fans reckoned it was his best position while he was still with them.
I remember the same, but let's be honest, Coutinho is a better everything than Downing is a crosser. Downing should have had maybe 3-5 assists in that first season, but no more, it's unrealistic to expect every chance to be finished. But I absolutely agree that Downing had some terrible luck in the assists department. I do believe that if Carroll played in a squad more oriented to play the ball in the air, as you said, he would be much more successful, and that is something we were never going to be. This move is a win-win for both parties, but I think there's always going to be a scenario that never played out, wherein we buy a winger like Mertens and some additional attacking help instead of Downing.
Yes, I do believe that Downing is the root of all evil.
Possible, but he looked awkward and uncomfortable in the wide role, and was ultimately unproductive. I'm not going to say that he thrived in a central role this season, but he was markedly better.
Quite, I think he found his role last season, I thought he looked too slow to play wide, he failed influence to the game (though his crossing was good), but central he's looked alot better, he supports well and covers ground.
As for Caroll, I think it's a fair point. People said about Downing/Carroll, they didn't play together that much and as you say, the creativity was alot more subdued under Kenny in the last 12 months, the midfield was flat and lacking in any real movement, which basically prompted either hoofing it to Carroll when he played, or a complete inability to pass through teams, either way he was pretty much isolated and given alot less support than he would have got between Jan and May this year.
Not disagreeing with that, just saying the King's decision to try him wide right wasn't a total brain fart.
He clearly never wanted to be here. his old club wanted to cash in, we stumped up the cash. I imagine his heart sinking as he touched down at John Lennon airport.
Andy Carroll was never the right player for Liverpool and vice versa. We never played the type of game that suited his strengths. He was a panic buy. We must accept that.
Andy can't be blamed for what we paid for him which was over the top. Whatever he did in training clearly didn't give any of our gaffers faith in the lad to produce the goods. He had to earn his spot and clearly he didn't. He has to shoulder that responsibility.
WHU is the ideal team for him and Big Sam his dream manager. He'll excel there.
Andy can't be blamed for what we paid for him which was over the top. Whatever he did in training clearly didn't give any of our gaffers faith in the lad to produce the goods. He had to earn his spot and clearly he didn't. He has to shoulder that responsibility.
WHU is the ideal team for him and Big Sam his dream manager. He'll excel there.
the only way to overcome the carroll debacle, which sadly taints kenny's amazing legacy slightly, is to think that we we paid 57m (andy and luiz) for 50m (torres).
are now selling andy for 15m, which means that overall we come away with a 8 m profit (excluding wages).
this is how i am convincing myself, if anyone has sound accounting background and wants to disprove it pls add a spoiler to your post as otherwise i might have a breakdown.
are now selling andy for 15m, which means that overall we come away with a 8 m profit (excluding wages).
this is how i am convincing myself, if anyone has sound accounting background and wants to disprove it pls add a spoiler to your post as otherwise i might have a breakdown.
What a tit:
West Ham assistant manager Neil McDonald has mocked Liverpool for selling Carroll, stating that the England international is capable of adapting to different playing styles.
“It’s obviously their [Liverpool’s] loss and our gain," McDonald said, speaking on thetalkSPORT Drive Time show. "They want to play out from the back and play through midfield and try to score the perfect goal whereas we have got a really good mixture.
West Ham assistant manager Neil McDonald has mocked Liverpool for selling Carroll, stating that the England international is capable of adapting to different playing styles.
“It’s obviously their [Liverpool’s] loss and our gain," McDonald said, speaking on thetalkSPORT Drive Time show. "They want to play out from the back and play through midfield and try to score the perfect goal whereas we have got a really good mixture.
I've never heard of that tosser before but he sounds fucking nailed on to be the next England U21 manager. Imagine trying to pass the ball out from the back, what a bunch of fairies, 'get it in the fackin mixer you cunt!'
But it's true. Their superiority in their all round play took them to within 15 points behind us in our below par season. Imagine what they can do next season with their 'really good mixture' using the same striker they had last season. They're boss.
I'm sure Roy Hodgeson will be having spasms of excitement over big Andy.
Personally - I think the useless lump will start his journey back home to Newcastle next season - he'll be fucked off to some team like Bolton for half what he cost within a couple of years after underachieving again.
Personally - I think the useless lump will start his journey back home to Newcastle next season - he'll be fucked off to some team like Bolton for half what he cost within a couple of years after underachieving again.
He's not top 4 material nor is he for a team aiming to be so.
But he's far from the shit player some of you are describing.
But he's far from the shit player some of you are describing.
I thought we'd end up paying him three million minimum. So that's not the en of the world
The one I said basically said we demanded more money from WHU in order to give it straight to him ... Considering the length of the contract he signed (probably 4-5 years), this is 'cheap' ...
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