AVB

[mark1975]

Supporters calling for his head and for the return of Redknapp already.

Strange goings on. Weren't a few posters on here going on in the Summer about how we got the wrong manager, how poorly we spent in comparison and how much we'd regret missing out on players like Eriksen and Soldado etc? How we were amateurs for missing out on players while Spurs seamlessly brought in a plethora of talent?

It's early days and we spent a bit hit and miss ourselves, but we look a far more formidable proposition at the minute in an attacking sense. They can't buy a goal, for all their spends on attacking/midfield talent.

 

[King Binny]

 

[Red Bird]

Supporters calling for his head and for the return of Redknapp already.

Strange goings on. Weren't a few posters on here going on in the Summer about how we got the wrong manager, how poorly we spent in comparison and how much we'd regret missing out on players like Eriksen and Soldado etc? How we were amateurs for missing out on players while Spurs seamlessly brought in a plethora of talent?

It's early days and we spent a bit hit and miss ourselves, but we look a far more formidable proposition at the minute in an attacking sense. They can't buy a goal, for all their spends on attacking/midfield talent.

I was enviously looking at Spurs spending the Bale money on new, exciting attacking talent, mate. The entire window. Imagine. Turned out that Bale was bailing it out almost all the time. There is no substitute for a match-winner, I guess.

Now I think AVB is just a fraud.

 

[mark1975]

I was enviously looking at Spurs spending the Bale money on new, exciting attacking talent, mate. The entire window. Imagine. Turned out that Bale was bailing it out almost all the time. There is no substitute for a match-winner, I guess.

Now I think AVB is just a fraud.

Quite. Though in fairness, there's only 4pts between us in 2nd and them in 9th. If they bought a goalscorer... Defoe might go a long way as a short term fix.

 

[Red Bird]

Quite. Though in fairness, there's only 4pts between us in 2nd and them in 9th. If they bought a goalscorer... Defoe might go a long way as a short term fix.

I think it could be worse than that. Spurs has had at least 6 points from dodgy penalties. For a club with such players, in whichever combinations, that goal return is beggarly.

Although, thinking about it, you're probably right-- if those players suddenly click or Villas Boas is sacked ...

 

[Hansern]

Its a strange one. We bemoaned the signings of Soldado, Lamela and Eriksen. But they look nothing like 70 mill of attacking talent. They cant buy a fucking goal and just keep huffing and puffing with possession.
Soldado looks like Morientes out there and without those penalties he would be one helluva flop already.

AVB looked like he was about to cry and the Spurs players looked hapless and uncomfortable.
They changed to much and AVB removed the pace and power from the side with Bale without really replacing it.
That high back line with Dawson/Kaboul is suicide and you feel AVB is so stubborn it will in the end get him fired if they dont improve.

Next game is Utd. Massive for both teams.

 

[mom]

'Twas only a few weeks that we were all heralding the fall of United...

 

[localny]

It asks the question: do top clubs ( not Newcastle) ever take large amounts of money, for a star player and invest it / replace the player wisely

 

[cloggypop]

'Twas only a few weeks that we were all heralding the fall of United...

They still are shite

 

[FoxForceFive]

'Twas only a few weeks that we were all heralding the fall of United...

Yeah, who are just three points behind us now.

This season it's so fucking close at the top it scares me. A couple of bad results & we'll plummet.

 

[mark1975]

'Twas only a few weeks that we were all heralding the fall of United...

Like I said above, there's not alot in it, alot can change in two games, but they were being heralded as a real force on the back of their buys and the fact ABV looks good in a suit.

 

[the_khl]

For me the jury is still very much out. A day like today will increase pressure loads however. Which is good, from our perspective.

Having seen a lot of them this Season I think it's important to point out they've looked very vulnerable at the back at times why it has been quite a mystery to me they've conceded as little as they have. They were due a hammering.

Vertonghen out on the left is criminal seeing how poor the alternatives in central are. They defo need a strong central defender in Jan.

 

[mark1975]

United still look shite tbf.

 

[cloggypop]

It asks the question: do top clubs ( not Newcastle) ever take large amounts of money, for a star player and invest it / replace the player wisely

Ian Rush to Juventus

 

[Woland]

I find it an insult that you people are discussing these cunts in our forum.

 

[Spaghetti Legs]

Can't believe he has spent 30 million quid on a player and hasn't played him up until today, don't care how young he is, you shell out that sort of money you have to play him.

Its all down to the manager, he needs to pull his finger out if he wants to keep his job, they have some really good attacking players, its beyond crazy they can't score goals, take away the penalties and its 6 goals in 12 games, if that keeps up they will plummet down the table, its mental they have the points they do.

 

[mom]

Can't believe he has spent 30 million quid on a player and hasn't played him up until today, don't care how young he is, you shell out that sort of money you have to play him.

Its all down to the manager, he needs to pull his finger out if he wants to keep his job, they have some really good attacking players, its beyond crazy they can't score goals, take away the penalties and its 6 goals in 12 games, if that keeps up they will plummet down the table, its mental they have the points they do.

I'm sure they said the same of us when we donated 35mill to sports direct for big Andy. Maybe the guy needs time to settle. Townsend suddenly arriving could have changed things too. Nobody predicted that.

 

[keniget]

I'm not convinced by AVB generally speaking but I wouldn't go writing off Spurs just yet and as you're all saying, the gap between us and them is practically non-existent.

It was always going to take time for them to adjust to the loss of Bale and integrating 5-6 new signings doesn't happen overnight. If they start to get their shit together over the next 10 games, what then? Does that mean that those who were envious of their signings are suddenly proven right and that AVB is more than a walking designer beard and suit?

Probably not, no. So what are we really discussing here?

Feels like this thread is aimed more at trying to score points at the expense of certain individuals (though I'm not quite sure who because I don't remember who was going on about them in the summer) than it is at actually discussing something meaningful.

 

[mom]

Aye.

 

[RedZeppelin III]

My main issue in the summer was that spurs were going out and aggressively laying down a marker . Ok it was coming from the Bale money and at the moment doesn't look to have worked but it was more than we were doing (is minoglet our only summer signing who gets in the team now ? ) . They managed to make themselves a more attractive proposition than us which is disgraceful on our part .

 

[Red Mullet]

My main issue in the summer was that spurs were going out and aggressively laying down a marker . Ok it was coming from the Bale money and at the moment doesn't look to have worked but it was more than we were doing (is minoglet our only summer signing who gets in the team now ? ) . They managed to make themselves a more attractive proposition than us which is disgraceful on our part .

Soooooooo disgraceful, disgraceful I tells ya.

 

[RedZeppelin III]

good one . my sides are splitting .

 

[Frogfish]

'Twas only a few weeks that we were all heralding the fall of United...

What's that got to do with Spurs ? United are still shite, as they showed again last night 🙂

 

[hamstrung_pigeon]

It asks the question: do top clubs ( not Newcastle) ever take large amounts of money, for a star player and invest it / replace the player wisely

In a sense, you could argue that Spurs themselves did. They sold Berbatov and brought in Modric. Sold Modric when they had Bale waiting in the wings. Sold Bale and brought in the players they have now - okay, not exactly sparkling now but they're still only 4 points from 2nd.

Save for Berbatov's last season and the season he was sold, they never dropped out of Europe through all that. They even progressed and qualified for the CL for the first time, and finished 4th another time but lost out on qualification only because Chelsea won the CL that season. They missed out on qualification by a point last season. So, I think they've reinvested well enough - it's got them into the CL once (should've been twice) and that was a realistic target for them.

Still too early to tell if they've reinvested the Bale money wisely, but again, it all depends on the yardstick. If CL qualification is what they're happy with and they get there at the end of the season, it's job done.

 

[Frogfish]

Having seen a lot of them this Season I think it's important to point out they've looked very vulnerable at the back at times why it has been quite a mystery to me they've conceded as little as they have. They were due a hammering.

They defo need a strong central defender in Jan.

As I said in the Other Games thread : They didn't cover their areas of weakness (defence & attack) in the transfer market. Guess AVB was planning a Spain-like MF with no strikers.
The pace of City's breaks and the skill of their forwards is tearing Spurs apart .... and this is why I said a week or two ago I can't wait for us to play them because Newcastle did the same thing and it's how we can/will beat them. Possession all Spurs (Newc and this match is 58%) but City by-passing Spurs' MF by either humping it over their CBs or driving down the wings.


This wasn't brain surgery, AVB ditched a good LB, moved a decent CB out wide (or benched him) and failed to strengthen/recruit for either position. Criminal, we'd have been screaming our heads off on 6CM if that was us and Rodgers.

In attack Adebayor is now a reserve player, Defoe is superglued to the bench and they don't play to Soldado's strengths. In MF they overbought so many MFers it's crazy (they have 10 players competing for 4 slots). This is forcing AVB into mixing and matching his MFers every game (just to keep some of them semi-happy) so there is no consistency and no chance for new players to bed in.

Frankly it's a mess that I think a few of us saw coming and said so in the pre-season forecasts. Can Spurs turn it around ? Of course they can, in January, buying a strong, organisational, CB, bringing Assou-Akouto back and buying a good strike partner for Soldado (or at the very least bring Defoe back into the team). It will mean re-organising the team but it needs to be done .... I doubt AVB has the guts to admit his system is failing and do it though.

 

[Frogfish]

- okay, not exactly sparkling now but they're still only 4 points from 2nd.

I don't think it's so much where they are now, though in such a tight league you'd expect them to be higher with that type of investment. But how they are playing. THeir high line makes them very susceptible to fast paced strikers and their full backs are failing to stem attacks down the flanks, Walker often being too high up the pitch (with no cover behind him) and the current incumbent at LB, Vertonghen, is not a FB. Balls over the top frequently sucker them.

Then as mentioned above - they don't play to Soldado's strengths (or have the CF to take advantage of this teams strengths, Adebayor probably being a better fit than Soldado/Defoe) and have very powerful, technically adept, midfielders rather than someone super creative, such as Silva or Countinho, around the box. Maybe Eriksen could solve that problem for them but then we're back to the 'playing regularly in the correct postion' issue.

 

[Modo]

 

[the_khl]

Laudrup mentioned in todays press at possible new Spurs manager.

Laudrup to coach Eriksen is kind of a pipe-dream for me. And probably most Danes. What can I say I am just happy it's not all going to happen in Manchester, that would've been unbearable beyond any recognition.

 

[gkmacca]

I thought Spurs fans 'ated 'Arry. Talk about being fickle.

 

[Rosco]

Laudrup mentioned in todays press at possible new Spurs manager.

Laudrup to coach Eriksen is kind of a pipe-dream for me. And probably most Danes. What can I say I am just happy it's not all going to happen in Manchester, that would've been unbearable beyond any recognition.

What press ?

The danish ?