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We can't have a team full of super stars though, like these oil rich bastards. And because the squad got thinned out so much, I think we all knew that the likes of borini, aspas, assaidi, moses and maybe even alberto were bought just to pad the squad out a bit with some punts that might come good. He bought Sakho, Coutinho, Sturridge, Allen, Mignolet with the idea of them being first team players, and I'd say he's got about 3.5/5 out of that right.

We'll lose money on Asapas and Borini when we flog them, but I wouldn't have thought we'll lose that much. And the value of Coutinho and Sturridge has rocketed.
 
Mystic said:
Coutinho, Sturridge, Mignolet and Sakho are just terrible aren't they?

I couldn't care if he tries to blame the Pope, as long as he accepts the players aren't good enough and stops playing them, or ships them out, which he has done multiple times since he's been here, even with his favourite, Allen. That's enough proof that he accepts he's wrong about some players to me, if you want to continue to play the largely irrelevant blame game based upon some quotes about a youth player, that you've yet to share with us, well that's fine.
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This is the very same eulogising that went on when the miracle worker took us from being a champions league team to 7th.

The point is every one of these mistakes has a real cost in terms of a payoff to the player, a loss on the transfer and an opportunity cost.


Imagine if we had a manager that didn't make stupid transfer mistakes ?
 
Let's not sugar-coat this: this signing has been a mistake. Aspas was Brendan's first summer signing of 2013, the manager clearly saw him as a major addition and thought he is getting an undervalued player – that's why he wanted to move quickly to beat the competition. So what happened?

Aspas is the classic case of a Spanish player failing to adapt to English football. In recent years so many Spanish players have adapted successfully that we almost forgot that there are still significant differences between the leagues and cultures and not everyone can instantly overcome them. What made it even harder, I believe, is that Aspas seems to be the personality type who gets frustrated rather easily when things are not going well; he does have this in common with Suarez. I don't think journalists got it terribly wrong when describing him as "Suarez lite," nobody said he was on Suarez's level as a player (hence the "lite" tag), but it did describe the type of player and character he is rather accurately: someone who tries unconventional things on the pitch, is a bit of an enigma, can be brilliant or frustrating depending on circumstances. Unfortunately, we only got to see the "frustrating" part.

Aspas can be a real leader and a star for a mid or lower table side in Spain; that's exactly what he was at Celta and I don't think his stock in Spain has become much lower because of bad 6 months in England. The problem is, Spanish mid to lower table teams are not exactly awash with money; the two giants suck most of the recourses from the rest of the league. Still, we should recoup all or most of the money we spent (£7.7M). This has been one of the major transfer mistakes of Rodgers' era, and still we should get off relatively unscathed; we did not lose much time and won't lose much money. That's what happens when the underlying strategy is correct.
 
Rosco said:
This is the very same eulogising that went on when the miracle worker took us from being a champions league team to 7th.

The point is every one of these mistakes has a real cost in terms of a payoff to the player, a loss on the transfer and an opportunity cost.


Imagine if we had a manager that didn't make stupid transfer mistakes ?
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That manager doesn't exist. Has never done and never will.
 
Ross, surely you use admit that buying players, esp strikers, at between 7-10m tends to have a much greater risk of failure than spending more?

If you see that & that we needed numbers too cos the squad was too thin, then you see why he'll have some failures like this.

If he starts making 20m plus signings that fail then I'll start getting worried.

As it is, I see it like he's bought two players at less than 10m hoping they can perform at the level you get from players who cost twice as much.

They haven't, they've pretty much shown they're worth about what we paid.

That's not disastrous by any means.
 
James Pearce has said that we are not interested in Morata and a striker is not a priority in this transfer window.
I reckon Aspas will still be a Liverpool player come February 1st
 
Rosco said:
This is the very same eulogising that went on when the miracle worker took us from being a champions league team to 7th.

The point is every one of these mistakes has a real cost in terms of a payoff to the player, a loss on the transfer and an opportunity cost.


Imagine if we had a manager that didn't make stupid transfer mistakes ?
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Imagine if we had a manager who won every single game?

This isn't a stupid transfer mistake, it's just a transfer mistake, it happens, I doubt you could name a manager in the world who's never made a mistake in the transfer market. The difference is these signings are cheap players on cheap deals and he's spotting the problem early on, and not sticking with them out of some form of arrogant pride, so the loss is no where near as bad as a certain past manager. Fact is, Rodgers has got a lot more right with his transfer dealings than he's got wrong, and he's acting on it when he's got things wrong, this is a good thing and much better than we've had in the past.
 
Who needs Search Engine Optimization (SEO) when you have a bot-like poster in Rosco ?

He'll drive your site's traffic up just by his WUM antics alone. And that's excluding trolling.
 
SummerOnions said:
Aspas for Ings?
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Have we been linked with Ings? I'd hate us to splash out £8m for Will Hughes but IMO Ings is worth the risk, he reminds me of a young Robbie Fowler.

Edit: Just noticed that Burnley signed Ashley Barnes, who is a forward, from Brighton. Burnley are cash strapped and can't afford to have a good forward like Barnes on the bench when they could have strengthened other areas of the team; that almost certainly means either Ings or Vokes is being sold. As Vokes looks like a Championship players at best I reckon this is a definite sign that Ings is going to be sold.
 
FoxForceFive said:
Ross, surely you use admit that buying players, esp strikers, at between 7-10m tends to have a much greater risk of failure than spending more?

If you see that & that we needed numbers too cos the squad was too thin, then you see why he'll have some failures like this.

If he starts making 20m plus signings that fail then I'll start getting worried.

As it is, I see it like he's bought two players at less than 10m hoping they can perform at the level you get from players who cost twice as much.

They haven't, they've pretty much shown they're worth about what we paid.

That's not disastrous by any means.
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I don't really agree that the risk is lessened by paying more. We should know after Keane, Carroll, Downing, Aquilani etc.

That you're so flippant about pouring another 12-15m down the drain as a cheap mistake is great. But I just don't see it that way.

We did our usual trick of convincing ourself one unusually good season for a player was their normal level. But he's reverted to type.

This notion that recognising mistakes quickly is a positive aspect kills me - if you're judgment changes so dramatically in four months of competitive football then there is a massive problem with how you came to the original conclusion to buy him.

Until we sort out those judgement errors there is no improvement. Realising something four months late after committing millions to the idea is nothing to be proud of.
 
Pesam said:
Have we been linked with Ings? I'd hate us to splash out £8m for Will Hughes but IMO Ings is worth the risk, he reminds me of a young Robbie Fowler.

Edit: Just noticed that Burnley signed Ashley Barnes, who is a forward, from Brighton. Burnley are cash strapped and can't afford to have a good forward like Barnes on the bench when they could have strengthened other areas of the team; that almost certainly means either Ings or Vokes is being sold. As Vokes looks like a Championship players at best I reckon this is a definite sign that Ings is going to be sold.
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Vokes is getting a new contract i think.

£6M and Ings would be available
 
Rosco said:
The losers attitude.

It's okay to fuck up because other people do? It's a horrible mediocre attitude.

Rodgers hasn't shown he has learned anything.

He bought Borini, and had to loan him out because he's not good enough. He bought Aspas, 6 months and no league goals later we're loaning him out.

19m in fees and probably 20m in wages to the pair and we're not using them.

We're wasting money hand over fist again.
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Fuck off you absolute cunt.
 
Silver Sean said:
Fuck off you absolute cunt.
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No need for the attitude at all there.

This is a forum, about opinions, no matter how strongly you disagree with someone else's you shouldn't resort to that. You may note I'm on your side of this particular debate.

This isn't RAWK, so you don't get banned without good warning, consider this that warning.
 
I'm trying to catch up here. Did Rogers say he didn't want Llori or is Ross being ace at trolling again?

I read the quotes Macca posted, now show us yours Ross?
 
ILD said:
I'm trying to catch up here. Did Rogers say he didn't want Llori or is Ross being ace at trolling again?

I read the quotes Macca posted, now show us yours Ross?
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One of our expert thread bumpers could find it
 
FoxForceFive said:
No need for the attitude at all there.

This is a forum, about opinions, no matter how strongly you disagree with someone else's you shouldn't resort to that. You may note I'm on your side of this particular debate.

This isn't RAWK, so you don't get banned without good warning, consider this that warning.
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The problem is, if people don't like someone, or if they don't want to put up with a deliberate WUM, they ignore them, it's a great feature of this site. However as Rosco is an admin there is no way to ignore him, and seems he's the biggest WUM on the site, he's also a complete dick to people at times, he needs to calm it down, or the ignore function needs to be turned on for admins, otherwise people will keep reacting like this. Trust me, it's exactly what I wanted to say when he labelled me a member of the Hitler Youth, which is apparently fine.
 
We looked into putting admins on ignore a while back, I'm not sure that it's possible.

I understood the big man can be provocative, & had he just called him a dick I'd have probably let it go, but that sentence reads very nastily & there's less aggressive ways of dealing with it.
 
No doubt in this situation, all I'm saying is there is blame on both sides, and it will happen again.
 
Whoa, heated thread. Every manager makes mistakes, as does Rogers, but in coutinho and sturridge he got a couple of great bargains.
 
SummerOnions said:
yeah but he signed a couple of shit players so we should sack him pronto
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Well I think it's obvious after all our 'revolutionising' of our scouting system and decision making we still make the same old mistakes.

Why we do so is what we need to address.
 
Rosco said:
Well I think it's obvious after all our 'revolutionising' of our scouting system and decision making we still make the same old mistakes.

Why we do so is what we need to address.
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probably because these people aren't amazing at their job, and secondly cos of the British work permit system. A lot of south american and african talent isn't able to be secured unless you can loan them to a Vitesse or an Antwerp. Maybe we should get one of them
 
SummerOnions said:
probably because these people aren't amazing at their job
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True, but who is ? Very few, and because of that people seem to e willing to forgive people stupid mistakes. When instead they should be thinking that maybe everybody is looking at the problem in the wrong way.

It's not like we're trying to cure cancer here, identifying the right players isn't impossible.
 
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