Andy Caroll's "Fitness"
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[quote author=DHSC link=topic=46526.msg1383198#msg1383198 date=1313855542]
Fabio,
Meireles
Downing
Maxi
Suarez
Carroll
Lucas
Adam
is 7 players. You want to play with a back 3? 😉
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oh yeah......
erm....
Might have to vary tactics every now and then. my main choices for squads: (lucas and adam/gerrard behind these)
Maxi/hendo Mereiles Downing
Suarez
or
Raul
Suarez Downing
carroll
Fabio,
Meireles
Downing
Maxi
Suarez
Carroll
Lucas
Adam
is 7 players. You want to play with a back 3? 😉
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oh yeah......
erm....
Might have to vary tactics every now and then. my main choices for squads: (lucas and adam/gerrard behind these)
Maxi/hendo Mereiles Downing
Suarez
or
Raul
Suarez Downing
carroll
[quote author=themn link=topic=46526.msg1383202#msg1383202 date=1313855712]
Yeah, thanks for the advice, Neil !
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😉
Yeah, thanks for the advice, Neil !
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😉
[quote author=themn link=topic=46526.msg1383192#msg1383192 date=1313855295]
He's been "getting fit" since we fucking splashed £35 MILLION on him !
I'm concerned about it.
I don't dislike him.
I don't want to take his dinner money.
I'm wondering why a professional footballer that cost us racks of moneh still looks weighty and tired.
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You'd look weighty and tired if you were drinking ten pints of ale every night. Give him a break!
He's been "getting fit" since we fucking splashed £35 MILLION on him !
I'm concerned about it.
I don't dislike him.
I don't want to take his dinner money.
I'm wondering why a professional footballer that cost us racks of moneh still looks weighty and tired.
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You'd look weighty and tired if you were drinking ten pints of ale every night. Give him a break!
[quote author=Portly link=topic=46526.msg1383069#msg1383069 date=1313850333]
I think some people are far too quick to pass judgement on Carroll. Tall players always look ungainly, it's a fact of life. He has had a couple of central defenders play exceptionally well against him in our first two matches but this will not always happen.
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^^^^^^
I think some people are far too quick to pass judgement on Carroll. Tall players always look ungainly, it's a fact of life. He has had a couple of central defenders play exceptionally well against him in our first two matches but this will not always happen.
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^^^^^^
Look we massively overpaid for him and hes an extremely limited player but he is useful against certain teams and Arsenal are one of them, he did ok today so I have no problem with his performance. But anybody who thinks he will get 20 goals this season is going to be very let down because hes just not in that class of striker.
The thing that some people are alluding to is that he seems to be the antithesis of the fluid passing game Kenny seems to be building, and they are correct, he has no pace no first touch and cant pass the ball. He thrives on a direct approach with accurate supply from wide/deep positions and his physical attributes rather than his ability will trouble most centre halves but if we want to knock the ball around on the deck and keep recycling possession then he will be a liability.
The thing that some people are alluding to is that he seems to be the antithesis of the fluid passing game Kenny seems to be building, and they are correct, he has no pace no first touch and cant pass the ball. He thrives on a direct approach with accurate supply from wide/deep positions and his physical attributes rather than his ability will trouble most centre halves but if we want to knock the ball around on the deck and keep recycling possession then he will be a liability.
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=46526.msg1383129#msg1383129 date=1313852478]
neil, i don't know where you've got this idea that a qualty team needs some brian deane type up front to survive away from home. i think we won 13 away games in 08/09 with one of kuyt/keane/Torres alone up top, not to mention excellent away wins last year at wolves, chelsea, and fulham playing a normal passing game.
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Amen.
neil, i don't know where you've got this idea that a qualty team needs some brian deane type up front to survive away from home. i think we won 13 away games in 08/09 with one of kuyt/keane/Torres alone up top, not to mention excellent away wins last year at wolves, chelsea, and fulham playing a normal passing game.
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Amen.
Not entirely sure why this thread was started today.
Kuyt was gash, Adam was ordinary and overall you could probably say the same for Henderson.
Who gives a shit though when we're winning games 2-0? Lets save this shite for when we're not winning. Oh and was Carroll that bad or was Vermelean that good? ( Yeah I know he was also in Browns pocket last weekend) but Ebs and flows, he'll come good.
Kuyt was gash, Adam was ordinary and overall you could probably say the same for Henderson.
Who gives a shit though when we're winning games 2-0? Lets save this shite for when we're not winning. Oh and was Carroll that bad or was Vermelean that good? ( Yeah I know he was also in Browns pocket last weekend) but Ebs and flows, he'll come good.
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=46526.msg1383170#msg1383170 date=1313854350]
Are we going to see threads like this after every game?
Thought he and the team were much better today. We won and kept a clean sheet.
Lets give the lad a chance. He's only 22 aswell ffs.
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That makes it worse, the early twenties is generally when people are at their fittest.
We signed him 7 months ago, he's supposed to be a professional fucking athlete ... he trains every day and he still doesn't look fit.
Are we going to see threads like this after every game?
Thought he and the team were much better today. We won and kept a clean sheet.
Lets give the lad a chance. He's only 22 aswell ffs.
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That makes it worse, the early twenties is generally when people are at their fittest.
We signed him 7 months ago, he's supposed to be a professional fucking athlete ... he trains every day and he still doesn't look fit.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46526.msg1383349#msg1383349 date=1313866693]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=46526.msg1383170#msg1383170 date=1313854350]
Are we going to see threads like this after every game?
Thought he and the team were much better today. We won and kept a clean sheet.
Lets give the lad a chance. He's only 22 aswell ffs.
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That makes it worse, the early twenties is generally when people are at their fittest.
We signed him 7 months ago, he's supposed to be a professional fucking athlete ... he trains every day and he still doesn't look fit.
[/quote]Bad round of golf today I see 😉
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=46526.msg1383170#msg1383170 date=1313854350]
Are we going to see threads like this after every game?
Thought he and the team were much better today. We won and kept a clean sheet.
Lets give the lad a chance. He's only 22 aswell ffs.
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That makes it worse, the early twenties is generally when people are at their fittest.
We signed him 7 months ago, he's supposed to be a professional fucking athlete ... he trains every day and he still doesn't look fit.
[/quote]Bad round of golf today I see 😉
Oh yeah. 23 points ! I scored ten of them on 4th,5th and 6th. Think I just got tired then after a heavy night last night.
The course had trees all over the place - I was in them, underneath them, behind them etc etc .... so many times my second shot had to be played sideways out onto the fairway. Frustrating to say the least.
The course had trees all over the place - I was in them, underneath them, behind them etc etc .... so many times my second shot had to be played sideways out onto the fairway. Frustrating to say the least.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46526.msg1383349#msg1383349 date=1313866693]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=46526.msg1383170#msg1383170 date=1313854350]
Are we going to see threads like this after every game?
Thought he and the team were much better today. We won and kept a clean sheet.
Lets give the lad a chance. He's only 22 aswell ffs.
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That makes it worse, the early twenties is generally when people are at their fittest.
We signed him 7 months ago, he's supposed to be a professional fucking athlete ... he trains every day and he still doesn't look fit.
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Have I said he isnt fit? I think he's pretty close to being fully fit tbh. He doesnt look unfit at all. The sharpness that comes goes hand in hand with passing and touch of the ball comes with playing more games.
In other words give him time. If you saw him playing for Newcastle last season he was fit and sharp as fuck. That will return if you just can muster up some freekin patience.
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=46526.msg1383170#msg1383170 date=1313854350]
Are we going to see threads like this after every game?
Thought he and the team were much better today. We won and kept a clean sheet.
Lets give the lad a chance. He's only 22 aswell ffs.
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That makes it worse, the early twenties is generally when people are at their fittest.
We signed him 7 months ago, he's supposed to be a professional fucking athlete ... he trains every day and he still doesn't look fit.
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Have I said he isnt fit? I think he's pretty close to being fully fit tbh. He doesnt look unfit at all. The sharpness that comes goes hand in hand with passing and touch of the ball comes with playing more games.
In other words give him time. If you saw him playing for Newcastle last season he was fit and sharp as fuck. That will return if you just can muster up some freekin patience.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46526.msg1383356#msg1383356 date=1313867506]
Oh yeah. 23 points ! I scored ten of them on 4th,5th and 6th. Think I just got tired then after a heavy night last night.
The course had trees all over the place - I was in them, underneath them, behind them etc etc .... so many times my second shot had to be played sideways out onto the fairway. Frustrating to say the least.
[/quote]Sounds like me on a good day :🙂
Oh yeah. 23 points ! I scored ten of them on 4th,5th and 6th. Think I just got tired then after a heavy night last night.
The course had trees all over the place - I was in them, underneath them, behind them etc etc .... so many times my second shot had to be played sideways out onto the fairway. Frustrating to say the least.
[/quote]Sounds like me on a good day :🙂
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46526.msg1383342#msg1383342 date=1313866154]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=46526.msg1383129#msg1383129 date=1313852478]
neil, i don't know where you've got this idea that a qualty team needs some brian deane type up front to survive away from home. i think we won 13 away games in 08/09 with one of kuyt/keane/Torres alone up top, not to mention excellent away wins last year at wolves, chelsea, and fulham playing a normal passing game.
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Amen.
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It's about having the option. When I talk it's always about having strings in your bow so you become less and less predictable, sure 35m is a lot to spend for an option but have that string in our bow now.
Also the team have to share some if the blame, If carroll is going to win everythig in the air then gamble and run beyond him to pick up the second ball. Each to their own but I thought carroll had a good game and it is no coincidence the arsenal defenders were knackered by the end of the game.
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=46526.msg1383129#msg1383129 date=1313852478]
neil, i don't know where you've got this idea that a qualty team needs some brian deane type up front to survive away from home. i think we won 13 away games in 08/09 with one of kuyt/keane/Torres alone up top, not to mention excellent away wins last year at wolves, chelsea, and fulham playing a normal passing game.
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Amen.
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It's about having the option. When I talk it's always about having strings in your bow so you become less and less predictable, sure 35m is a lot to spend for an option but have that string in our bow now.
Also the team have to share some if the blame, If carroll is going to win everythig in the air then gamble and run beyond him to pick up the second ball. Each to their own but I thought carroll had a good game and it is no coincidence the arsenal defenders were knackered by the end of the game.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46526.msg1383349#msg1383349 date=1313866693]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=46526.msg1383170#msg1383170 date=1313854350]
Are we going to see threads like this after every game?
Thought he and the team were much better today. We won and kept a clean sheet.
Lets give the lad a chance. He's only 22 aswell ffs.
[/quote]
That makes it worse, the early twenties is generally when people are at their fittest.
We signed him 7 months ago, he's supposed to be a professional fucking athlete ... he trains every day and he still doesn't look fit.
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and i'll return the 'amen'.
if he's not fit then i find that completely unacceptable. if he is, then it's more alarm bells.
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=46526.msg1383170#msg1383170 date=1313854350]
Are we going to see threads like this after every game?
Thought he and the team were much better today. We won and kept a clean sheet.
Lets give the lad a chance. He's only 22 aswell ffs.
[/quote]
That makes it worse, the early twenties is generally when people are at their fittest.
We signed him 7 months ago, he's supposed to be a professional fucking athlete ... he trains every day and he still doesn't look fit.
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and i'll return the 'amen'.
if he's not fit then i find that completely unacceptable. if he is, then it's more alarm bells.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46526.msg1383376#msg1383376 date=1313870238]
I'm loving options Spidey ... I hate the fact that you think all away games are alike and require one particular option and all home games are alike and require a completely different option because all home and away games are completely different.
It's bollocks.
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That's your choice to think that but I on the other hand believe away from home first and foremost you need to hold possession and hold up the ball as long as possible. What you think is a good away side is your choice but Carroll would always be in my away side.
I'm loving options Spidey ... I hate the fact that you think all away games are alike and require one particular option and all home games are alike and require a completely different option because all home and away games are completely different.
It's bollocks.
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That's your choice to think that but I on the other hand believe away from home first and foremost you need to hold possession and hold up the ball as long as possible. What you think is a good away side is your choice but Carroll would always be in my away side.
I still don't get this different attitude if you're home or away. Why do people just accept it and play differently based on it? It really shouldn't be the case.
If sky still did player cam I'd like to see his performance on that. It could be he's moving a lot more off the ball than we see on screen.
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=46526.msg1383420#msg1383420 date=1313873146]
If sky still did player cam I'd like to see his performance on that. It could be he's moving a lot more off the ball than we see on screen.
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Maybe someone who went to the game can say something ???
If sky still did player cam I'd like to see his performance on that. It could be he's moving a lot more off the ball than we see on screen.
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Maybe someone who went to the game can say something ???
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