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[quote author=keniget link=topic=41972.msg1178467#msg1178467 date=1284999879]
Why does Agger require a more defensive RB in the team?
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he likes to push up more does agger, or rather, bring the ball out. With an attacking RB we are potentially leaving ourselves very short handed at the back
Why does Agger require a more defensive RB in the team?
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he likes to push up more does agger, or rather, bring the ball out. With an attacking RB we are potentially leaving ourselves very short handed at the back
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=41972.msg1178254#msg1178254 date=1284978171]
Our defence was trying to play it out from the back all game yesterday, so I'm not sure what he's on about.
He can fuck off as far as I'm concerned. I feel for him that he's on the bench only because he filled in at LB for us, which is unfortunate, but to fire warning shots at the club after 2 games? That's just being a cunt, and I've had enough of that from Liverpool players recently.
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If they are genuine quotes, then this ^^^
Our defence was trying to play it out from the back all game yesterday, so I'm not sure what he's on about.
He can fuck off as far as I'm concerned. I feel for him that he's on the bench only because he filled in at LB for us, which is unfortunate, but to fire warning shots at the club after 2 games? That's just being a cunt, and I've had enough of that from Liverpool players recently.
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If they are genuine quotes, then this ^^^
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=41972.msg1178285#msg1178285 date=1284980263]
Are those actual quotes? Would he actually say 'I like to play football not hoof'. He's a professional footballer not a fucking 6CM poster.
And for the record, I think he should be starting ahead of Skrtel. Skrtel was awful yesterday.
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and Carra was any better?
Are those actual quotes? Would he actually say 'I like to play football not hoof'. He's a professional footballer not a fucking 6CM poster.
And for the record, I think he should be starting ahead of Skrtel. Skrtel was awful yesterday.
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and Carra was any better?
[quote author=Richey link=topic=41972.msg1178306#msg1178306 date=1284982111]
[quote author=ragehard link=topic=41972.msg1178298#msg1178298 date=1284981462]
no reason why he shouldn't be playing ahead of skertl.
but then my first choice cb partnership would be the greek and agger
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Jamie Carragher is our best defender by some distance.
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Your obviously taking the piss right? Carragher is not our best defender, he is classified as the "best" because he is a scouse and has been at our club since a young age
[quote author=ragehard link=topic=41972.msg1178298#msg1178298 date=1284981462]
no reason why he shouldn't be playing ahead of skertl.
but then my first choice cb partnership would be the greek and agger
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Jamie Carragher is our best defender by some distance.
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Your obviously taking the piss right? Carragher is not our best defender, he is classified as the "best" because he is a scouse and has been at our club since a young age
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=41972.msg1178509#msg1178509 date=1285002769]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=41972.msg1178306#msg1178306 date=1284982111]
[quote author=ragehard link=topic=41972.msg1178298#msg1178298 date=1284981462]
no reason why he shouldn't be playing ahead of skertl.
but then my first choice cb partnership would be the greek and agger
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Jamie Carragher is our best defender by some distance.
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Your obviously taking the piss right? Carragher is not our best defender, he is classified as the "best" because he is a scouse and has been at our club since a young age
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Skrtel and Agger are better than him then?? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggggggghhhhhhhhht.
RAWK would love you. They probably already do.
[quote author=Richey link=topic=41972.msg1178306#msg1178306 date=1284982111]
[quote author=ragehard link=topic=41972.msg1178298#msg1178298 date=1284981462]
no reason why he shouldn't be playing ahead of skertl.
but then my first choice cb partnership would be the greek and agger
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Jamie Carragher is our best defender by some distance.
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Your obviously taking the piss right? Carragher is not our best defender, he is classified as the "best" because he is a scouse and has been at our club since a young age
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Skrtel and Agger are better than him then?? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggggggghhhhhhhhht.
RAWK would love you. They probably already do.
'He is a scouse'
What a massive fucking Zlatan. No clue about our history, our songs, our players, or even our language.
What a massive fucking Zlatan. No clue about our history, our songs, our players, or even our language.
All I know is we let in three goals from crosses yesterday, so somethin needs fixin.
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=41972.msg1178469#msg1178469 date=1285000036]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41972.msg1178467#msg1178467 date=1284999879]
Why does Agger require a more defensive RB in the team?
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he likes to push up more does agger, or rather, bring the ball out. With an attacking RB we are potentially leaving ourselves very short handed at the back
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I disagree. Firstly, it isn't Agger who would have to be covering for Johnson directly as he plays on the left side of defence, he would be compensating indirectly. Secondly, we employ defensive midfielders whose job it is to cover the gaps - Poulsen did this exact job at Sevilla covering for the roaming Alves. Thirdly, I don't see why have a centre-back who is comfortable bringing the ball out means you can't employ attacking fullbacks.... are we trying to suggest that Agger pushes forward leaving Carra all on his own?
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41972.msg1178467#msg1178467 date=1284999879]
Why does Agger require a more defensive RB in the team?
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he likes to push up more does agger, or rather, bring the ball out. With an attacking RB we are potentially leaving ourselves very short handed at the back
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I disagree. Firstly, it isn't Agger who would have to be covering for Johnson directly as he plays on the left side of defence, he would be compensating indirectly. Secondly, we employ defensive midfielders whose job it is to cover the gaps - Poulsen did this exact job at Sevilla covering for the roaming Alves. Thirdly, I don't see why have a centre-back who is comfortable bringing the ball out means you can't employ attacking fullbacks.... are we trying to suggest that Agger pushes forward leaving Carra all on his own?
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Squiggles
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Insua was a problem with an attacking RB, but it should never be a problem for a CB like Agger.
It's not as if they'll push up together at the same time.
It's not as if they'll push up together at the same time.
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[quote author=Fabio link=topic=41972.msg1178469#msg1178469 date=1285000036]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41972.msg1178467#msg1178467 date=1284999879]
Why does Agger require a more defensive RB in the team?
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he likes to push up more does agger, or rather, bring the ball out. With an attacking RB we are potentially leaving ourselves very short handed at the back
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I disagree. Firstly, it isn't Agger who would have to be covering for Johnson directly as he plays on the left side of defence, he would be compensating indirectly. Secondly, we employ defensive midfielders whose job it is to cover the gaps - Poulsen did this exact job at Sevilla covering for the roaming Alves. Thirdly, I don't see why have a centre-back who is comfortable bringing the ball out means you can't employ attacking fullbacks.... are we trying to suggest that Agger pushes forward leaving Carra all on his own?
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you ain't got to tell me, was just guessing that was what whoever said it originally meant
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=41972.msg1178469#msg1178469 date=1285000036]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41972.msg1178467#msg1178467 date=1284999879]
Why does Agger require a more defensive RB in the team?
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he likes to push up more does agger, or rather, bring the ball out. With an attacking RB we are potentially leaving ourselves very short handed at the back
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I disagree. Firstly, it isn't Agger who would have to be covering for Johnson directly as he plays on the left side of defence, he would be compensating indirectly. Secondly, we employ defensive midfielders whose job it is to cover the gaps - Poulsen did this exact job at Sevilla covering for the roaming Alves. Thirdly, I don't see why have a centre-back who is comfortable bringing the ball out means you can't employ attacking fullbacks.... are we trying to suggest that Agger pushes forward leaving Carra all on his own?
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you ain't got to tell me, was just guessing that was what whoever said it originally meant
after [quote author=gene hughes link=topic=41972.msg1178569#msg1178569 date=1285007252]
All I know is we let in three goals from crosses yesterday, so somethin needs fixin.
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absolutely, but to be fair berbacunt was actually out jumping sami when keane got his brace against us, it's entirely possible the greek would have fared no better than carra or skrtel.
All I know is we let in three goals from crosses yesterday, so somethin needs fixin.
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absolutely, but to be fair berbacunt was actually out jumping sami when keane got his brace against us, it's entirely possible the greek would have fared no better than carra or skrtel.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=41972.msg1178568#msg1178568 date=1285007218]
I wouldn't be terribly upset if Agger wanted to leave.
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On big wages, is he?
I wouldn't be terribly upset if Agger wanted to leave.
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On big wages, is he?
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=41972.msg1178604#msg1178604 date=1285009610]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41972.msg1178573#msg1178573 date=1285007677]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=41972.msg1178469#msg1178469 date=1285000036]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41972.msg1178467#msg1178467 date=1284999879]
Why does Agger require a more defensive RB in the team?
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he likes to push up more does agger, or rather, bring the ball out. With an attacking RB we are potentially leaving ourselves very short handed at the back
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I disagree. Firstly, it isn't Agger who would have to be covering for Johnson directly as he plays on the left side of defence, he would be compensating indirectly. Secondly, we employ defensive midfielders whose job it is to cover the gaps - Poulsen did this exact job at Sevilla covering for the roaming Alves. Thirdly, I don't see why have a centre-back who is comfortable bringing the ball out means you can't employ attacking fullbacks.... are we trying to suggest that Agger pushes forward leaving Carra all on his own?
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you ain't got to tell me, was just guessing that was what whoever said it originally meant
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That was what I was suggesting, actually.
In Agger and Johnson, we seem to have defensive players who are more dept or at least more inclined to play in a more attacking form..
I wasn't suggesting that Agger is rquired to cover for JOhnson; but I do have reservations about whether Poulsen is going to be able to provide the defence with as much cover as you seem to be suggesting. In which case Hodson might actually prefer traditional CB's like Carra and Skrtel..
Don't get me wrong, I do think Agger is the more complet defender..I'm just trying to see if there are rational reasons for Agger's benching by Hodgson.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41972.msg1178573#msg1178573 date=1285007677]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=41972.msg1178469#msg1178469 date=1285000036]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41972.msg1178467#msg1178467 date=1284999879]
Why does Agger require a more defensive RB in the team?
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he likes to push up more does agger, or rather, bring the ball out. With an attacking RB we are potentially leaving ourselves very short handed at the back
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I disagree. Firstly, it isn't Agger who would have to be covering for Johnson directly as he plays on the left side of defence, he would be compensating indirectly. Secondly, we employ defensive midfielders whose job it is to cover the gaps - Poulsen did this exact job at Sevilla covering for the roaming Alves. Thirdly, I don't see why have a centre-back who is comfortable bringing the ball out means you can't employ attacking fullbacks.... are we trying to suggest that Agger pushes forward leaving Carra all on his own?
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you ain't got to tell me, was just guessing that was what whoever said it originally meant
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That was what I was suggesting, actually.
In Agger and Johnson, we seem to have defensive players who are more dept or at least more inclined to play in a more attacking form..
I wasn't suggesting that Agger is rquired to cover for JOhnson; but I do have reservations about whether Poulsen is going to be able to provide the defence with as much cover as you seem to be suggesting. In which case Hodson might actually prefer traditional CB's like Carra and Skrtel..
Don't get me wrong, I do think Agger is the more complet defender..I'm just trying to see if there are rational reasons for Agger's benching by Hodgson.
It didn't help on the overhead kick that carra watched it happen from about 200 miles away.
On, and who the fuck is Agger to 'warn' Liverpool about anything?
On, and who the fuck is Agger to 'warn' Liverpool about anything?
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Squiggles
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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=41972.msg1178625#msg1178625 date=1285010773]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=41972.msg1178568#msg1178568 date=1285007218]
I wouldn't be terribly upset if Agger wanted to leave.
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On big wages, is he?
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Yeah. Agger's on £70,000 a week, which is too much for what we get in return.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=41972.msg1178568#msg1178568 date=1285007218]
I wouldn't be terribly upset if Agger wanted to leave.
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On big wages, is he?
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Yeah. Agger's on £70,000 a week, which is too much for what we get in return.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41972.msg1178557#msg1178557 date=1285006051]
'He is a scouse'
What a massive fucking Zlatan. No clue about our history, our songs, our players, or even our language.
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shut up, seriously your a fucking deluded cunt and need to get checked out by a doctor. I care about the important things like our history and our players.. i care alot about how we do on the pitch hence why i say carragher should be dropped as agger/skrtel have much more to offer now. Maybe 5 years ago, carra was a star, but now he should be no more than a squad player and back up to skrtel and agger. Obviously you care less about the important things and believe a player should be a 1st team starter just because he came through the ranks. If lucas was a scouse, i wouldnt be suprised if you wank off over him daily
'He is a scouse'
What a massive fucking Zlatan. No clue about our history, our songs, our players, or even our language.
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shut up, seriously your a fucking deluded cunt and need to get checked out by a doctor. I care about the important things like our history and our players.. i care alot about how we do on the pitch hence why i say carragher should be dropped as agger/skrtel have much more to offer now. Maybe 5 years ago, carra was a star, but now he should be no more than a squad player and back up to skrtel and agger. Obviously you care less about the important things and believe a player should be a 1st team starter just because he came through the ranks. If lucas was a scouse, i wouldnt be suprised if you wank off over him daily
[quote author=Richey link=topic=41972.msg1178567#msg1178567 date=1285007158]
so who is better than Carra? as a DEFENDER I mean?
Skrtel? Agger? The Greek?
if you are tempted to answer by mentioning foreign leagues like you have before then please save yourself the embarrassment!
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Agger and Skrtel both offer more than Carra.
Agger can defend aswell as help support the team going forward.
Skrtel can defend well and is better.
With these 2 as a CB pairing, our defence wont be pushed back so far deep that we give teams all the space and freedom to do whatever they want.
With Carra on the other hand, because his obvious lack of pace, we are forced to defend so deep that we allow teams to dominate us and play however they want.
so who is better than Carra? as a DEFENDER I mean?
Skrtel? Agger? The Greek?
if you are tempted to answer by mentioning foreign leagues like you have before then please save yourself the embarrassment!
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Agger and Skrtel both offer more than Carra.
Agger can defend aswell as help support the team going forward.
Skrtel can defend well and is better.
With these 2 as a CB pairing, our defence wont be pushed back so far deep that we give teams all the space and freedom to do whatever they want.
With Carra on the other hand, because his obvious lack of pace, we are forced to defend so deep that we allow teams to dominate us and play however they want.
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=41972.msg1178779#msg1178779 date=1285046500]
shut up, seriously your a fucking deluded cunt and need to get checked out by a doctor. I care about the important things like our history and our players.. i care alot about how we do on the pitch hence why i say carragher should be dropped as agger/skrtel have much more to offer now. Maybe 5 years ago, carra was a star, but now he should be no more than a squad player and back up to skrtel and agger. Obviously you care less about the important things and believe a player should be a 1st team starter just because he came through the ranks. If lucas was a scouse, i wouldnt be suprised if you wank off over him daily
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I am of the view that Carra is probably no longer at his peak but he is still, without doubt, deserving to be in consideration for one of the two starting berths, form and fitness depending. He is certainly not a liability overall and none of the other three central defenders has done enough to stake a surefire starting position. Until two defenders make it impossible for Roy to drop them, Carra will always be in the mix, as he should be.
shut up, seriously your a fucking deluded cunt and need to get checked out by a doctor. I care about the important things like our history and our players.. i care alot about how we do on the pitch hence why i say carragher should be dropped as agger/skrtel have much more to offer now. Maybe 5 years ago, carra was a star, but now he should be no more than a squad player and back up to skrtel and agger. Obviously you care less about the important things and believe a player should be a 1st team starter just because he came through the ranks. If lucas was a scouse, i wouldnt be suprised if you wank off over him daily
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I am of the view that Carra is probably no longer at his peak but he is still, without doubt, deserving to be in consideration for one of the two starting berths, form and fitness depending. He is certainly not a liability overall and none of the other three central defenders has done enough to stake a surefire starting position. Until two defenders make it impossible for Roy to drop them, Carra will always be in the mix, as he should be.
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[quote author=Richey link=topic=41972.msg1178567#msg1178567 date=1285007158]
so who is better than Carra? as a DEFENDER I mean?
Skrtel? Agger? The Greek?
if you are tempted to answer by mentioning foreign leagues like you have before then please save yourself the embarrassment!
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Agger and Skrtel both offer more than Carra.
Agger can defend aswell as help support the team going forward.
Skrtel can defend well and is better.
With these 2 as a CB pairing, our defence wont be pushed back so far deep that we give teams all the space and freedom to do whatever they want.
With Carra on the other hand, because his obvious lack of pace, we are forced to defend so deep that we allow teams to dominate us and play however they want.
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Skrtel is not better than Carra. I'd drop him first and play the Greek. Let Carra have a rest for a week or two and see Agger and the Greek partnership perform.
Carra's past it and Skrtel's just an average defender.
[quote author=Richey link=topic=41972.msg1178567#msg1178567 date=1285007158]
so who is better than Carra? as a DEFENDER I mean?
Skrtel? Agger? The Greek?
if you are tempted to answer by mentioning foreign leagues like you have before then please save yourself the embarrassment!
[/quote]
Agger and Skrtel both offer more than Carra.
Agger can defend aswell as help support the team going forward.
Skrtel can defend well and is better.
With these 2 as a CB pairing, our defence wont be pushed back so far deep that we give teams all the space and freedom to do whatever they want.
With Carra on the other hand, because his obvious lack of pace, we are forced to defend so deep that we allow teams to dominate us and play however they want.
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Skrtel is not better than Carra. I'd drop him first and play the Greek. Let Carra have a rest for a week or two and see Agger and the Greek partnership perform.
Carra's past it and Skrtel's just an average defender.
I'm sure zlatan is glad glock agrees with him.
And zlatan; Carragher is a SCOUSER.
He's not 'a scouse'; because that would make him a dialect or a plate of food.
The point Brendan is making is that whilst Carragher's days may be numbered (eventually), no one seems to delight in it as much as you (and a few idiots on here unfortunately) and you scorn those things which make Carragher important to this club, and to its fans.
You seem to suggest that you don't care about the songs and language but only care about the 'important things' like our history and the players.
Well, listen up : all those things are equally as important, they all make up the core about what this club is all about.
Liverpool FC is a global club, but the heart of Liverpool FC is Liverpool itself.
And zlatan; Carragher is a SCOUSER.
He's not 'a scouse'; because that would make him a dialect or a plate of food.
The point Brendan is making is that whilst Carragher's days may be numbered (eventually), no one seems to delight in it as much as you (and a few idiots on here unfortunately) and you scorn those things which make Carragher important to this club, and to its fans.
You seem to suggest that you don't care about the songs and language but only care about the 'important things' like our history and the players.
Well, listen up : all those things are equally as important, they all make up the core about what this club is all about.
Liverpool FC is a global club, but the heart of Liverpool FC is Liverpool itself.
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=41972.msg1178803#msg1178803 date=1285049020]
I'm sure zlatan is glad glock agrees with him.
And zlatan; Carragher is a SCOUSER.
He's not 'a scouse'; because that would make him a dialect or a plate of food.
The point Brendan is making is that whilst Carragher's days may be numbered (eventually), no one seems to delight in it as much as you (and a few idiots on here unfortunately) and you scorn those things which make Carragher important to this club, and to its fans.
You seem to suggest that you don't care about the songs and language but only care about the 'important things' like our history and the players.
Well, listen up : all those things are equally as important, they all make up the core about what this club is all about.
Liverpool FC is a global club, but the heart of Liverpool FC is Liverpool itself.
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Sentimental feelings wont win you trophies. Carra has been phenomenal for us and no one is denying that, its just that he hasn't have the high level energy to get going this season. We should bench him and let him rest for a few weeks. Relax.
I'm sure zlatan is glad glock agrees with him.
And zlatan; Carragher is a SCOUSER.
He's not 'a scouse'; because that would make him a dialect or a plate of food.
The point Brendan is making is that whilst Carragher's days may be numbered (eventually), no one seems to delight in it as much as you (and a few idiots on here unfortunately) and you scorn those things which make Carragher important to this club, and to its fans.
You seem to suggest that you don't care about the songs and language but only care about the 'important things' like our history and the players.
Well, listen up : all those things are equally as important, they all make up the core about what this club is all about.
Liverpool FC is a global club, but the heart of Liverpool FC is Liverpool itself.
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Sentimental feelings wont win you trophies. Carra has been phenomenal for us and no one is denying that, its just that he hasn't have the high level energy to get going this season. We should bench him and let him rest for a few weeks. Relax.
carra should no longer be automatic first choice.
skrtel meanwhile i'd sell. he's average in every attribute.
infact if the greek isn't good enough either because of his lack of pace then i'd sell both skrtel and the greek and put the money towards a centre back that can command the air whilst promoting one of the kids.
skrtel meanwhile i'd sell. he's average in every attribute.
infact if the greek isn't good enough either because of his lack of pace then i'd sell both skrtel and the greek and put the money towards a centre back that can command the air whilst promoting one of the kids.
[quote author=ragehard link=topic=41972.msg1178846#msg1178846 date=1285052806]infact if the greek isn't good enough either because of his lack of pace then i'd sell both skrtel and the greek and put the money towards a centre back that can command the air whilst promoting one of the kids.
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Suggestions on who to buy?
Which kid to promote?
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Suggestions on who to buy?
Which kid to promote?
[quote author=ragehard link=topic=41972.msg1178846#msg1178846 date=1285052806]
carra should no longer be automatic first choice.
skrtel meanwhile i'd sell. he's average in every attribute.
infact if the greek isn't good enough either because of his lack of pace then i'd sell both skrtel and the greek and put the money towards a centre back that can command the air whilst promoting one of the kids.
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Sell Skrtel and Johnson and get Cacares and Dmytro Chygrynskiy.
carra should no longer be automatic first choice.
skrtel meanwhile i'd sell. he's average in every attribute.
infact if the greek isn't good enough either because of his lack of pace then i'd sell both skrtel and the greek and put the money towards a centre back that can command the air whilst promoting one of the kids.
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Sell Skrtel and Johnson and get Cacares and Dmytro Chygrynskiy.
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