Adama on Eve of Liverpool Move?
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Hmmm, that's another way of looking at it. And I suppose you're thinking Pennant rather than Torres?
That is your opinion, Which is fine, but I know that I can be wrong, and I take that into concideration. I would better if you also took into concideration to you could be wrong with your opinion
Lets say that the papers are correct and Klopp does want to sign him....A lot of you here bang on about "Klopp kowning best" Or "Klopp can see what we can not see in a player" Or "Klopp can make any player great"
Yes, somehere like to reel those lines,or simular lines out when it suits them (I Have never bought into that myself)
I guest you chose not to believe It when It applies to a player you do not like 🙄
I am not saying that he would work out. But I am saying that he would be worth a punt
Edit:- The other thing is just how many times that we had to put two or more players on him..?
If they are around him/Marking him then they and not be on Jota/Mane/Salah etc
Yes, somehere like to reel those lines,or simular lines out when it suits them (I Have never bought into that myself)
I guest you chose not to believe It when It applies to a player you do not like 🙄
I am not saying that he would work out. But I am saying that he would be worth a punt
Edit:- The other thing is just how many times that we had to put two or more players on him..?
If they are around him/Marking him then they and not be on Jota/Mane/Salah etc
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Yep, exactly.
There's probably some truth in that.
However his pass selection and ability to execute leave ALOT to be desired.
It’s not my opinion, it’s historical facts and figures.
You said “He brings more to the team than Ox” - that’s an opinion.
I said “he scores less and creates less than Ox” - that’s not an opinion, that’s a fact, because he HAS scored less and created less than Ox.
Do you see the difference?
The problem is - we don’t “put” two or more players “on him” - we close him down quickly because that’s how we play (high press) and we keep an eye on him because we play a high line and his pace in behind us could cause problems.
Have you noticed he’s never been employed against us on the left to exploit the space behind Trent - which is where most teams target us?
Also teams tend not to play a high line against us, because they already know about our pace in the forward line, so adding another speedster in isn’t likely to lead to tactical alterations.
You’d also have to wonder why a team would suddenly “put 2 or more” on Traoré, a player who is fast but scores and creates very little, when the don’t really do it for Salah, a player who is fast but scores loads and creates loads.
So... the high line negates his pace somewhat - we know his finishing isn’t great, so whats left - are we going to use him to swing crosses over for our “tiny” forwards - because that means he has to have pinpoint delivery skills or the much taller CB’s our forwards are up against should be able to cope.
Except his crossing is shit too.
Saying he creates more is an opinion. ,,
Our forwards many have scored more goals from the chances Ox as created. But that does not mean he creates more, It could be that the chances that Traore
has created as not resulted in as many goals, but they were chances no the less, and calling it fact means noting unless you can prove other wise
If you're gonna argue semantics, then you at least need to acknowledge that you're arguing 'chances created' whereas he's arguing 'assists' - because assists *are* fact and not opinion
Ok then - so where did you gather information to form the opinion that Traoré creates more chances than Ox (often in midfield).
Did you overlay that with the fact that Ox plays in numerous different positions and is a squad player, while Traoré is a regular starter for Wolves.
Did you question whether Traoré would be able to improve his stats while being a squad player at Liverpool and not starting regularly - he’s replacing either Salah or Mane.
Have you noticed he’s never been employed against us on the left to exploit the space behind Trent - which is where most teams target us?
Maybe the reason he was not employed on the left vs TAA is that they felt the player they employed on the left was good enough pace wise to contend with Trent, and that Traore pace is best served against VVD give them a equal chance on both sides of the pitch. Plus Traore normally plays on the right
You’d also have to wonder why a team would suddenly “put 2 or more” on Traoré, a player who is fast but scores and creates very little, when the don’t really do it for Salah, a player who is fast but scores loads and creates loads.
Teams have put two players on Salah. or One. man to man and another there abouts.and whether you say it was because of the high press or not it was being done.
Regardless of how poor a player is they can always play one or two good passes that create a chance or two and can always get luck and score a goal or two.... Igor Bišćan,Bruno Cheyrou, Fabio Borini,Jordon Ibe, Dominic Solanke to name but a few
So... the high line negates his pace somewhat - we know his finishing isn’t great, so whats left - are we going to use him to swing crosses over for our “tiny” forwards - because that means he has to have pinpoint delivery skills or the much taller CB’s our forwards are up against should be able to cope.
Remind me, How many teams play the high press like we do...? ( that was a rhetorical question by the way)
You seem to believe that all the cross he plays are high and unreachable, and talk as if TAA and Robbo never over hit passes.
I am done
Maybe the reason he was not employed on the left vs TAA is that they felt the player they employed on the left was good enough pace wise to contend with Trent, and that Traore pace is best served against VVD give them a equal chance on both sides of the pitch. Plus Traore normally plays on the right
You’d also have to wonder why a team would suddenly “put 2 or more” on Traoré, a player who is fast but scores and creates very little, when the don’t really do it for Salah, a player who is fast but scores loads and creates loads.
Teams have put two players on Salah. or One. man to man and another there abouts.and whether you say it was because of the high press or not it was being done.
Regardless of how poor a player is they can always play one or two good passes that create a chance or two and can always get luck and score a goal or two.... Igor Bišćan,Bruno Cheyrou, Fabio Borini,Jordon Ibe, Dominic Solanke to name but a few
So... the high line negates his pace somewhat - we know his finishing isn’t great, so whats left - are we going to use him to swing crosses over for our “tiny” forwards - because that means he has to have pinpoint delivery skills or the much taller CB’s our forwards are up against should be able to cope.
Remind me, How many teams play the high press like we do...? ( that was a rhetorical question by the way)
You seem to believe that all the cross he plays are high and unreachable, and talk as if TAA and Robbo never over hit passes.
I am done
Could answer that, but said that I was done
If you like the whole assit thing... The ball can hit a player on his ass drop to a team mate who rifles it in the net and it is classed as an assit...But I agree with your point
That's a more interesting comparison and I'd take a straight swap (selling Ox and bringing in Traore). However would Traore be content as a squad player ? Maybe considering his position at Wolves. Maybe.The Ox v.s Adama Traore
AOC:- Midfielder: age 28 Goals scored for Liverpool 8 since joining in 2017.
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A midfielder that has not lived up to the expcetions of at least one manager, Arsene Wenger. Sold to Liverpool for £40m
For me he is such an annoying player, Has many for the attributes to make a great play, but lack the commitment to put in the work needed to take his game to the next level. That coupled with his lack of work rate on the pitch (The 10 minute man) and his continuance to run down blind alley's makes him a very limited player
Adama Traore- Forward: age 25 Goals scored for wolves 7 since joining in 2018
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Pace to burn,and more than capable of taking one or two defenders and beating them. Finishing not his great suit, but setting up the likes of Jota,Salah, Mane, Bobby Origi, and Minamino trumps his lack of scoring himself. Work on both his finishing and decision will give us a great asset, and at 25 can still be moulded
Short answer is I don't know....
But he could want to be on a team that is more likely to win big trophies and medals, a team less likely to be relegated or he could believe that he will get the chance to be a starter during the AFCON and prore himself.
He could believe that in a year or two replace one of the front three. Or just excpet that at Liverpool he will be a squad player much like Origi has
We should sign him because he has that train affect that none bar Ox on his best days had. He does not need space to run into, his dribbling is very good. The problem with our dribblers are that they are shrugged off the ball easily but Adama is bigger and stronger. City have struggled to contain him on multiple occasions. We can because we have VVD, trust me, if we could have him alongside Hendo and Fab in midfield it would be fucking awesome. With our front three he will play at another level and Klopp will make sure of that.
Our dribblers are NOT "shrugged off the ball easily". Mo Salah in particular is a nuggety little pocket battleship who's incredibly difficult to knock off the ball even in the (unlikely) event that defenders catch him in the first place.
We’d lose a lot more by starting him. He’d be a wrecking ball right through the area Salah and Trent operate.
Aside from a couple of moments this season, most goals he scores are when he is free of any close contact with another opposition player. If we get him, I think he will have a free attacking role and will be coached into moving and passing at the right time in our team. He causes proper havoc and is at times unpredictible, we would scare the opposition to shits, they wont know where to look and who they stop.
No way on earth is replacing Thiago with Adama any way of an upgrade. Being able to pass the ball to our own players is an important requirement for a midfielder, great dribbling less so.
There’s no way we play Traore, Salah & Trent at the same time unless Salah is through the centre.
Save the money for someone with a better end product and who can play in more than one position.
The only way there could be any remote truth to this link is if Klopp thinks he can convert him into a marauding, ultra attacking right back.
Thats tue problem, sometimes passing that ball around is not good enough to create chances to defo score. Sometimes you need that one player capable of beating a few to cause havoc, and then score. We dont have much of that on our team, other than when Salah has those few moments.
If Watford go down then both Dennis and Sarr would become available
We need a powerful dribbler, goals is not our problem if any of you have noticed.
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