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A New Striker...

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DHSC said:
It's all dependent on Suarez staying 😉.

If he stays then hope we can get a younger striker than Suarez and Sturridge as he will most likely not get too many games. Gives him time to develop and learn; but of course he has to have a fair amount of talent as well.
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Exactly, Sturridge and/or Suarez will be playing all the League and CL games and rightfully so.

Signing a top striker this summer will be wasting time and money on a position we don't need to be spending money on whilst also giving a big fuck you to Sturridge, you know that top striker we already have along with the other one.
 
Spaghetti Legs said:
Exactly, Sturridge and/or Suarez will be playing all the League and CL games and rightfully so.

Signing a top striker this summer will be wasting time and money on a position we don't need to be spending money on whilst also giving a big fuck you to Sturridge, you know that top striker we already have along with the other one.
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Why does the word 'striker' automatically make the player non-versatile to you?
I think it's been said many times on this thread that a lot of those advocating the signing of a striker wants one that can play across the line.
 
Spaghetti Legs said:
Exactly, Sturridge and/or Suarez will be playing all the League and CL games and rightfully so.

Signing a top striker this summer will be wasting time and money on a position we don't need to be spending money on whilst also giving a big fuck you to Sturridge, you know that top striker we already have along with the other one.
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Think about City this year. Aguero, Dzeko, Negredo, Jovetic. 3 of the 4 have been used extensively and been absolutely crucial to City's season. Of course, not everyone can afford to have 4 players of such quality, but I'd suggest having 3 quality strikers is crucial for a CL team with aspirations of performing well in the main competitions. This is particularly important if you're a manager who likes to play 2 up front. Sturridge is fundamental to our plans, but he won't play all of our games in all competitions. It simply isn't possible, and he's more than a touch fragile anyway. And as has been repeatedly said, a forward/striker who can play along the front 3 means the player could hypothetically get games alongside the other two.
 
Mac in is opening post in this thread picked Lukaku, Bony and Remy, all players that are your standard type of striker, maybe Remy can do a job out wide but why would you want to take away his main threat play him there? and why would you want to play him there when you have specialist players to play those positions? just like all the Sturridge malarky at Chelsea, top strikers are wasted when not playing in the middle.

Why would we want to sign a top striker to play him in a wide position just because he can do a job there? that makes even less sense than signing one to play in the middle even though we already have 2 of the best.

Sign and play specialist players for those wide forward positions over a top striker who can do a job there, again we already have 2 top strikers with one who is versatile and a back up in Borini.

How about splashing out on a top attacking midfielder, a position that we can and need to improve on for next season.
 
I actually think we are all in agreement here. We should sign a quality player who can play well in any of the 3 forward positions.
 
doctor_mac said:
Think about City this year. Aguero, Dzeko, Negredo, Jovetic. 3 of the 4 have been used extensively and been absolutely crucial to City's season. Of course, not everyone can afford to have 4 players of such quality, but I'd suggest having 3 quality strikers is crucial for a CL team with aspirations of performing well in the main competitions. This is particularly important if you're a manager who likes to play 2 up front. Sturridge is fundamental to our plans, but he won't play all of our games in all competitions. It simply isn't possible, and he's more than a touch fragile anyway. And as has been repeatedly said, a forward/striker who can play along the front 3 means the player could hypothetically get games alongside the other two.
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What about Arsenal this year, they only have Giroud thats it, look how far they got with 1 decent striker, not a bad effort really, if they had one top striker and him they would still be right up there, 2 top strikers is fine as long as you have some other good attacking players around them.
 
DHSC said:
I actually think we are all in agreement here. We should sign a quality player who can play well in any of the 3 forward positions.
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Not a striker that can do a job wide though, a wide player first that could play as a striker then yeah il'd go with that though if it was one big marque signing then it really should to be an attacking centre mid.

Sorry for rambling on, i'll shut the fuck up now in here, just repeating the same thing otherwise.
 
Spaghetti Legs said:
What about Arsenal this year, they only have Giroud thats it, look how far they got with 1 decent striker, not a bad effort really, if they had one top striker and him they would still be right up there, 2 top strikers is fine as long as you have some other good attacking players around them.
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I think using Arsenal as a benchmark isn't the right approach we should be taking.

We have the ability to aspire to greater heights, given our current situations.
 
Whirly said:
I think using Arsenal as a benchmark isn't the right approach we should be taking.

We have the ability to aspire to greater heights, given our current situations.
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Where have i said we should aspire to do anything Arsenal do? or that they should be a benchmark for us?

Just pointed out that they only had 1 decent striker and it got them quite far and if they had 2 they would still be up there.
 
Spaghetti Legs said:
What about Arsenal this year, they only have Giroud thats it, look how far they got with 1 decent striker, not a bad effort really, if they had one top striker and him they would still be right up there, 2 top strikers is fine as long as you have some other good attacking players around them.
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Everyone knows that has really cost them. Plus they play with one up front. BR likes to play with 2. If you play with 2 up front (or use such formations regularly) and you are expecting to play at least 2 games a week for much of the season it makes sense to have more than 2 strikers. It's not a radical suggestion.
 
Spaghetti Legs said:
Where have i said we should aspire to do anything Arsenal do? or that they should be a benchmark for us?

Just pointed out that they only had 1 decent striker and it got them quite far and if they had 2 they would still be up there.
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It's not anywhere near that simple though.

Having one not-great striker has hurt them tremendously this season. They're very lucky that United and Spurs have been so poor, and Everton is right on their tails. Every club in that upper middle tier who isn't contending for the title and UCL spots this year should consider it a failed season, it's wide open.

Plus Arsenal's strength is their midfield, they can rely on getting attacking threat and goals from there. Our system has a heavy emphasis on strikers scoring goals and creating chances. We need the same quality players that Arsenal has in their midfield leading our attacking lines.
 
Spaghetti Legs said:
Mac in is opening post in this thread picked Lukaku, Bony and Remy, all players that are your standard type of striker, maybe Remy can do a job out wide but why would you want to take away his main threat play him there? and why would you want to play him there when you have specialist players to play those positions? just like all the Sturridge malarky at Chelsea, top strikers are wasted when not playing in the middle.

Why would we want to sign a top striker to play him in a wide position just because he can do a job there? that makes even less sense than signing one to play in the middle even though we already have 2 of the best.

Sign and play specialist players for those wide forward positions over a top striker who can do a job there, again we already have 2 top strikers with one who is versatile and a back up in Borini.

How about splashing out on a top attacking midfielder, a position that we can and need to improve on for next season.
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I'd say the majority would go for a forward that can play across the three rather than an out and out striker. Mac may have thrown a couple names out in the first post but you don't really have to stick to any definition set out there steadfastly and in fact, most people haven't.

That forward could be someone that is regarded as more a wide player but you could class Sterling as an out and out winger, yet he's found himself playing more centrally on more than one occasion this season. Ronaldo started off as a more of a traditional winger yet I doubt many would class him as one now - he's a forward.

Sturridge may want to spend all his time up front playing the #9 but one of the reasons that he is successful with Suarez is that he doesn't.
 
Players I think are worth looking at this summer though

  • Yevhen Konoplyanka - We all know this one. £15M should do it.
  • Marco Reus - Can play as an AM, Winger, or outright striker. Dortmund's having a bit of a dip this season, and they have a very straightforward transfer policy, where if you pay the release clause, the deal is as good as done. £30-35M is the purpoted number, and at that price he would be an excellent signing.
  • Alexandre Lacazette - Quietly having a very productive season in Ligue 1, with an impressive goal tally. He's just 22, and has the pace and ability on the ball to play across the front line. He reminds me a lot of Sturridge to be honest, and this is a prototypical FSG signing. £10-15M would probably do the trick.
  • Luis Muriel - Has the talent, but there are various red flags. Has had injury concerns of late, and there were various reports concerning his work ethic. Would cost £15M if not more.
  • Xherdan Shaqiri - Moved to Bayern a few windows back, has had limited opportunities to get into the first team, and that doesn't look to be changing anytime soon. Has shown flashes of being a very good player, but he needs more minutes. Could make a real impact at the WC however, which could change the market. Another one in the £10-20M bracket.
  • Vincent Aboubakar - Another young player having a breakout season in Ligue 1. Very pacey, but has a very solid build, and has shown great technique this year. He would be quite cheap, no more than £6-8M I would say.
  • Alessio Cerci - Winger at Torino having a fantastic year, he should finish up with around 15 goals and 10+ assists. I can see another club in Serie A snatching him up this summer, but he would be a good addition. Bit older at 26, but he should be available for £10-20M, probably towards the higher end.

There are definitely others, but these are the ones that immediately came to mind.
 
I've been undecided about Borini for a while now but unfortunately I'm now beginning to think he's not gonna be a decent option for us and would be tempted to sell. I haven't seen much of Aspas, none of us have, but he's unlikely to come good.......sell both for about £5m each and buy Danny Ings for £8m as back up for Sturridge. He could end up being good enough to usurp Sturridge but either way it will give us a decent option and keep Sturridge on his toes. Also, by only spending £8m and getting rid of Borini/Aspas it will leave our transfer kitty relatively unscathed.
 
BlitzAce said:
Salomon Kalou has been banging in goals for Lille he'd be a great option IMO.
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Another player in the list of undesirables doing well is Dos Santos at Villarreal. 10 goals and 7 assists in 22 starts and 4 subs. Not bad at all.
 
If we got an attacker that can play across the front three, not only would he be able to fit into our current tactics/approach better, but say sturridge gets injured, we know that Suarez can lead the line down the middle and someone else can play wide (e.g. new signing/ coutinho etc).

We have 2 world class players who could play at the prong of the front three and we have several players who are developing into world class players (Sterling, Coutinho). With one great signing here (not offering any names as I can't really think off the top of my head), we can then also supplement with the likes of Borini, Texeira, Ibe if required off the bench.

Our areas of need are at the back/CM and this is where we need to focus.
 
keniget said:
Another player in the list of undesirables doing well is Dos Santos at Villarreal. 10 goals and 7 assists in 22 starts and 4 subs. Not bad at all.
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Good call I've always liked Dos Santos cracking little player! Udinese are struggling I believe so Muriel could be available cheeper than people think as well. I wouldn't spend 30M on a forward though unless it's for Reus or Diego Costa other areas in the first team need strengthening first I think.
 
Pesam said:
I've been undecided about Borini for a while now but unfortunately I'm now beginning to think he's not gonna be a decent option for us and would be tempted to sell. I haven't seen much of Aspas, none of us have, but he's unlikely to come good.......sell both for about £5m each and buy Danny Ings for £8m as back up for Sturridge. He could end up being good enough to usurp Sturridge but either way it will give us a decent option and keep Sturridge on his toes. Also, by only spending £8m and getting rid of Borini/Aspas it will leave our transfer kitty relatively unscathed.
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This is a good shout. A younger player, but with bags of potential. I'd be happy with this. My only worry is his history of knee injuries...
 
Whirly said:
Players I think are worth looking at this summer though

  • Yevhen Konoplyanka - We all know this one. £15M should do it.
  • Marco Reus - Can play as an AM, Winger, or outright striker. Dortmund's having a bit of a dip this season, and they have a very straightforward transfer policy, where if you pay the release clause, the deal is as good as done. £30-35M is the purpoted number, and at that price he would be an excellent signing.
  • Alexandre Lacazette - Quietly having a very productive season in Ligue 1, with an impressive goal tally. He's just 22, and has the pace and ability on the ball to play across the front line. He reminds me a lot of Sturridge to be honest, and this is a prototypical FSG signing. £10-15M would probably do the trick.
  • Luis Muriel - Has the talent, but there are various red flags. Has had injury concerns of late, and there were various reports concerning his work ethic. Would cost £15M if not more.
  • Xherdan Shaqiri - Moved to Bayern a few windows back, has had limited opportunities to get into the first team, and that doesn't look to be changing anytime soon. Has shown flashes of being a very good player, but he needs more minutes. Could make a real impact at the WC however, which could change the market. Another one in the £10-20M bracket.
  • Vincent Aboubakar - Another young player having a breakout season in Ligue 1. Very pacey, but has a very solid build, and has shown great technique this year. He would be quite cheap, no more than £6-8M I would say.
  • Alessio Cerci - Winger at Torino having a fantastic year, he should finish up with around 15 goals and 10+ assists. I can see another club in Serie A snatching him up this summer, but he would be a good addition. Bit older at 26, but he should be available for £10-20M, probably towards the higher end.

There are definitely others, but these are the ones that immediately came to mind.
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Great post.
 
The likes of Ings is a relatively risk free signing, like Borini. Worst case scenario, we'd be pretty likely to get the money back, and they have the potential to do a pretty decent job, if not a great one. It's time to move Borini on and try someone else.
 
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