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Wind your neck in, mate. For one thing nobody's talking about the FA Cup - now we're in the semi, of course we should try and win it. For another, "our main goal" is to win the top competitions. If going in for the second-rate ones gets in the way of that - and at the moment it will, which is why we didn't enter the EL last season - it's plain daft to treat every competition as if they were all worth the same.
I don't agree with your stance on getting 4th or winning a trophy but I agree with your comment.

It also descends...
 
Champions League race added extra spice as prize money increase means winners next season will scoop £74MILLION (and that's not even including TV money!)

[article=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3019568/Champions-League-prize-money-increase-means-winners-season-scoop-74MILLION.html]The race for places in the Champions League among the Premier League's top clubs has just become more urgent after UEFA announced significant increases in prize money for their top competition from next season.

Cash for appearing in the group stages onwards is leaping by up to 50 per cent, and for English clubs there will also be steep hikes in 'market pool' money from UEFA's TV incomes.

The upshot is that if an English club were to win next season's Champions League, they would earn around €100m (or £74m at today's exchange rates) from central UEFA funds alone. Ticket income plus any commercial bonuses income would be on top.


To put that in context, England's highest-earning club in last season's Champions League was Manchester United, who earned €44.8m (£33m) from UEFA for reaching the quarter-finals.

As things stand, the four Champions League slots for next season are filled by Chelsea, Manchester City, Arsenal and Manchester United - with that quartet the favourites to reach Europe's top club competition.

But Liverpool in fifth, Southampton in sixth and Tottenham in seventh will still hold out hopes they can finish strongly and perhaps squeak into the top four. Never has that fourth place been so lucrative.

Under current prize money arrangements, clubs reaching the group stage receive €8.6m (£6.4m) each plus €1m (£750,000) per group win and €0.5m (£370,000) per draw. The basic fee will rise 40 per cent to €12m (£8.9m) and each win will jump 50 per cent to €1.5m (£1.1m).

Prize money for reaching the last 16, quarter-finals and semi-finals will leap up to 57 per cent, respectively to £4m, £4.44m and £5.2m.

The prize for being tournament runner-up will jump from €6.5m (£4.8m) to €10.5m (£7.8m) while the winner's prize will jump from €10.5m (7.8m) to €15m (£11.11m).

The most any team will be able to win will from 'basic' prize cash - before TV market share cash - will jump from €37.4m (£27.7m) to €54.5 (£40.4m), a hike of 46 per cent.

Yet it is the market pool money that promises to surge for English clubs especially, because BT Sport's £897m three-year deal with UEFA for all European club football kicks in next season, and is worth double what Sky previously paid. A lot of the increase, if not all, will filter to the English clubs in the Champions League.

Last season the four English clubs shared around €70m (£52m) in market pool cash, on top of performance cash, with United getting most, at €24m (£17.8m).

From next season, the total sum to English clubs is expected to leap by between 50 and 75 per cent, to between €105m (£78m) and €125m (£93m), with exact amounts to be confirmed. The biggest single English earner could get as much as €40m (£30m) of that pot alone, and more if only three clubs made it to the group stages.

Whichever way the sums are calculated, being in the Champions League is about to become hugely more lucrative for English teams in particular.
Prize money for the Europa League will also rise but it will remain very much the junior club competition. Currently for every pound UEFA give in prize money to Europa League clubs, Champions League clubs get £4.30. From next season the ratio will narrow to 3.3 to 1 from 4.3 to 1. But the highest-earning club in the lesser tournament will still only be able to earn a maximum of €15.3m (£11.3m).

'UEFA is really pleased that the new distribution system not only provides for a substantial rise in monies received by clubs participating in the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League, but also strengthens UEFA's solidarity principle, namely ensuring an even more substantial increase in solidarity payments to clubs,' said UEFA General Secretary Gianni Infantino.

'In this way, the new system provides a better deal for everyone, especially those clubs which did not qualify to the group stage of either of the two UEFA club competitions. This is a perfect example of the proper implementation of the solidarity principle which forms an essential part of UEFA's key values.' [/article]

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Well we won't be in there next year. We're fast becoming the runt of the litter forced to watch the four fat pigs swill away while we fight for scraps. So shit.
 
I'd gladly lose all our games if it meant avoiding the Europa League.

Fourth or nothing.
 
Prize money
Similar to the UEFA Champions League, the prize money received by the clubs is divided into fixed payments based on participation and results, and variable amounts that depend of the value of their TV market.[13]

A group stage participation in the Europa League awards a base fee of €1.3 million. A victory in the group pays €200,000 and a draw €100,000. Also, each group winner earns €400,000 and each runner-up €200,000. Reaching the knock-out stage triggers additional bonuses: €200,000 for the round of 32, €350,000 for the round of 16, €450,000 for the quarter-finals and €1 million for the semi-finals. The losing finalists receive €2.5 million and the champions get €5 million.[14]

First qualifying round: €120,000
Second qualifying round: €130,000
Third qualifying round: €140,000
Play-off round elimination: €150,000
Base fee for group stage: €1,300,000
Group match victory: €200,000
Group match draw: €100,000
Group winners: €400,000
Group runners-up: €200,000
Round of 32: €200,000
Round of 16: €350,000
Quarter-finals: €450,000
Semi-finals: €1,000,000
Losing finalist: €2,500,000
Winners: €5,000,000

it's utterly important that we qualify for Europe - at the very least EL. Saying anything else is ignorant for obvious reasons.
 
Sorry mate, I often agree with you but the bit about "at the very least EL" is either a whoosh or it's crazy. Premier League prize money and, in particular, TV fees for Prem games (which BTW made us the top earners in the whole league last season because our Prem games were constantly on TV) are way higher than those chickenfeed EL prize sums you quote above, which just underline the point that the EL has to be lowest priority.
 
If we have to be in the EL I hope Rodgers has the balls to play the u21s in it. It just ruins your league form playing on a Thursday.
 
Of course, but then I'd make us crash out of the Europa league at the first opportunity.
I don't get the logic tbh..

With Champions league qualification up for grabs for the winners and a trophy, why wouldn't we want to take part?
 
Because it's a massive interference to league prospects.
Apart from the chavs I can't think of a team that has finished top four and played Europa league in the same season.
And it's clear as day that United are now benefitting from having no European football this season because they look fresh mentally and physically.
 
Because it's a massive interference to league prospects.
Apart from the chavs I can't think of a team that has finished top four and played Europa league in the same season.
And it's clear as day that United are now benefitting from having no European football this season because they look fresh mentally and physically.


In fairness the top four was essentially the same 4 teams for a long time, the only change was when City took our place, in a season they played in the EL.
 
In fairness the top four was essentially the same 4 teams for a long time, the only change was when City took our place, in a season they played in the EL.
We were in the Europa league that season though weren't we.
I'm just looking at us and Spurs really.
The only seasons over the last 7 or 8 years that both qualified for the Champions league was when neither had Europa league to worry about.
Sevilla have been in the same boat even despite the fact they've won it a couple of times.
 
Consider the gate revenue and the general DNA and width of a squad built for European football and add the CL spot for the winners and the answer is simple.
 
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