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Rafa's fan club and i am IN !

Last week he's a a tactical genius this week he should be sacked

For all those who think he should be sacked, who do they actually think is worthy of taking on the job ? I don't think there's one good enough manager out there that would take the job, WE HAVE OWNERS WITH NO MONEY AND BY THE LOOKS OF WE WON'T HAVE A NEW STADIUM ANY TIME SOON !

There is no point going on at Rafa he got us so close last season, with our two main players hardly playing together


Chelsea, Man Utd, Probably even Man City have better squads but yet people still think we should win, win, win, why is that ? Money buys you quality players, not your 2nd choice players, If we had money we could of ended up with the likes of Essien, Arshavin, Tevez, Alves etc but we cant compete when it comes to the best players

Yes Rafa does make mistakes but what manager doesn't ? The league this season is the most competitive it has been for years, we were always gonna struggle without Alosno and the lack of striking power, but we had to get on with it with basically no net spend this season, and yes the league is realistically over but we were hoping to carry on last years form, this is a different season different players loss of form from our key players, which has made it very difficult play consistently well


So basically cheer us on or don't but Rafa only wants best for this club, Were lucky to have a manager to stick with us, with owners like ours, I will always support us no matter what
 
[quote author=krissr link=topic=36862.msg975940#msg975940 date=1257011029]
Rafa's fan club and i am IN !

Last week he's a a tactical genius this week he should be sacked

For all those who think he should be sacked, who do they actually think is worthy of taking on the job ? I don't think there's one good enough manager out there that would take the job, WE HAVE OWNERS WITH NO MONEY AND BY THE LOOKS OF WE WON'T HAVE A NEW STADIUM ANY TIME SOON !

There is no point going on at Rafa he got us so close last season, with our two main players hardly playing together


Chelsea, Man Utd, Probably even Man City have better squads but yet people still think we should win, win, win, why is that ? Money buys you quality players, not your 2nd choice players, If we had money we could of ended up with the likes of Essien, Arshavin, Tevez, Alves etc but we cant compete when it comes to the best players

Yes Rafa does make mistakes but what manager doesn't ? The league this season is the most competitive it has been for years, we were always gonna struggle without Alosno and the lack of striking power, but we had to get on with it with basically no net spend this season, and yes the league is realistically over but we were hoping to carry on last years form, this is a different season different players loss of form from our key players, which has made it very difficult play consistently well


So basically cheer us on or don't but Rafa only wants best for this club, Were lucky to have a manager to stick with us, with owners like ours, I will always support us no matter what
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I am no fan of Rafas. And, just like you, I will always support US no matter what.

And can we PLEASE stop with this fucking ridiculous notion that LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB is lucky to attract a top manager? What a load of cobblers.
 
I look at it this way.

If we are out of both the PL and CL by next weekend [strong possibility] it will increase the pressure hugely on Rafa. But it will also increase the pressure on H&G as the value of their asset will be considered to have fallen considerably. If we then fail to make the Top 4 it feels inevitable that change will occur next summer. My preferred order of change would be H&G first, with a decision on Rafa taken once new investors/owners have developed their long term strategy. That makes me a Rafa IN person at this point in time.

This does in fact mean that for things to get better they probably have to get worse first since I can't see us overcoming the current problems and becoming either PL or CL champions from our current ownership, financial and managerial position.

A world of pain.
 
[quote author=Tal link=topic=36862.msg975954#msg975954 date=1257011517]
I look at it this way, I hope we are out of both the PL and CL by next weekend [strong possibility][/quote]

Just wrote it like you feel ... You want him out so badly that you only post when we're falling on our face ... Great fan.
 
Whaddapie ? What manager do you believe that could win us the league, Yes there's managers out there capable, but what manager would come to us with no money available ?
 
I haven't been in for quite a while.

It's clear his decisions in the transfer market in the past few years are really taking their toll on us now.
 
We should get behind Rafa until the end of the season, that'll be the time to make decisions on his future.
 
I am a Liverpool fan, and because of that I will back the manager. If/when he goes, then I will back the new man in charge. So I am not in, or out. But my patience is starting to be tested with his lack of trophies and title challenges.
 
[quote author=Loch Ness Monster link=topic=36862.msg975998#msg975998 date=1257012617]
I am a Liverpool fan, and because of that I will back the manager. If/when he goes, then I will back the new man in charge. So I am not in, or out. But my patience is starting to be tested with his lack of trophies and title challenges.
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Yep, me too.
 
Rafa got us soooo close last season and I thought he's sussed it. But:

- Buying Aqualani when he was out for 3 months
- Paying 18 million quid for a right back when there were more pressing areas of the pitch to be strengthened (in fact, has our defence actually improved?)
- Daft substitutions like today

are making me think nothing will change. He'll prioritise Europe and while I can understand that because of the financial pressures put on him by the owners, as a supporter I want us to make a decent assault on the league. The tired old argument that he hasn't had the funds doesn't wash with me. Chelsea aside, he's had more than enough dough to beat the other teams who have defeated us so far.

If he can't bring the title on this so-called shoestring budget then I'd rather we took a punt on a manager that might rather than go another year winning fuck all. Liverpool Football Club is about winning trophies and we haven't done that for a fairly long time now.

In an ideal world, I'd get shut and give Mourinho a go if we don't win any silverware this season. Unfortunately I wouldn't trust the owners to get the right person so it's like being stuck between a rock and a hard place.
 
Rafa is our manager and that settles it for me. We may not always agree with his team selection but he gets to make the decisions. I'm in 'til the end. We never walk alone!
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36862.msg975990#msg975990 date=1257012357]
I haven't been in for quite a while.

It's clear his decisions in the transfer market in the past few years are really taking their toll on us now.
[/quote]

If Ferguson or Ancelotti get a signing wrong it doesn't seem as bad because they have the funds to go and buy another player, or without it being a loss to their form as they have players to come in and play at a high level, if a player goes wrong for us, and who knows if it will work out or not ? we have to try and go again and replace him, which means we will be losing out because of a lack of quality squad players to replace them

Could you see any of them having to go for 2nd choice players ?
 
Unsurprisingly, I'm in.

We judge him on the season. Some on here wanted him gone at this time last season and look where we ended up.
 
[quote author=krissr link=topic=36862.msg976007#msg976007 date=1257012923]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36862.msg975990#msg975990 date=1257012357]
I haven't been in for quite a while.

It's clear his decisions in the transfer market in the past few years are really taking their toll on us now.
[/quote]

If Ferguson or Ancelotti get a signing wrong it doesn't seem as bad because they have the funds to go and buy another player, or without it being a loss to their form as they have players to come in and play at a high level, if a player goes wrong for us, and who knows if it will work out or not ? we have to try and go again and replace him, which means we will be losing out because of a lack of quality squad players to replace them

Could you see any of them having to go for 2nd choice players ?
[/quote]

Krissr we've outspent United in the past five years, whatever way you look at it. Fergie did go for second choice players this summer, Owen certainly wasn't his first choice.

It's not one transfer decision that's put us in this position it's an accumulation of bad decisions over the last three years that have us in this position.
 
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=36862.msg976013#msg976013 date=1257013302]
Unsurprisingly, I'm in.

We judge him on the season. Some on here wanted him gone at this time last season and look where we ended up.
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Second with no trophies.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36862.msg976021#msg976021 date=1257014001]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=36862.msg976013#msg976013 date=1257013302]
Unsurprisingly, I'm in.

We judge him on the season. Some on here wanted him gone at this time last season and look where we ended up.
[/quote]

Second with no trophies.
[/quote]

Arf
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36862.msg976017#msg976017 date=1257013774]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=36862.msg976007#msg976007 date=1257012923]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36862.msg975990#msg975990 date=1257012357]
I haven't been in for quite a while.

It's clear his decisions in the transfer market in the past few years are really taking their toll on us now.
[/quote]

If Ferguson or Ancelotti get a signing wrong it doesn't seem as bad because they have the funds to go and buy another player, or without it being a loss to their form as they have players to come in and play at a high level, if a player goes wrong for us, and who knows if it will work out or not ? we have to try and go again and replace him, which means we will be losing out because of a lack of quality squad players to replace them

Could you see any of them having to go for 2nd choice players ?
[/quote]

Krissr we've outspent United in the past five years, whatever way you look at it. Fergie did go for second choice players this summer, Owen certainly wasn't his first choice.

It's not one transfer decision that's put us in this position it's an accumulation of bad decisions over the last three years that have us in this position.
[/quote]

Lets not forget to take into account the long period before that Rosco! The scum had been building up their squad a long time before Rafa came.
 
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36862.msg976023#msg976023 date=1257014129]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36862.msg976017#msg976017 date=1257013774]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=36862.msg976007#msg976007 date=1257012923]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36862.msg975990#msg975990 date=1257012357]
I haven't been in for quite a while.

It's clear his decisions in the transfer market in the past few years are really taking their toll on us now.
[/quote]

If Ferguson or Ancelotti get a signing wrong it doesn't seem as bad because they have the funds to go and buy another player, or without it being a loss to their form as they have players to come in and play at a high level, if a player goes wrong for us, and who knows if it will work out or not ? we have to try and go again and replace him, which means we will be losing out because of a lack of quality squad players to replace them

Could you see any of them having to go for 2nd choice players ?
[/quote]

Krissr we've outspent United in the past five years, whatever way you look at it. Fergie did go for second choice players this summer, Owen certainly wasn't his first choice.

It's not one transfer decision that's put us in this position it's an accumulation of bad decisions over the last three years that have us in this position.
[/quote]

Lets not forget to take into account the long period before that Rosco! The scum had been building we their squad a long time before Rafa came.
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Had they ?

I never knew that Rafa. Thanks.

Did we buy players back then too ?
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36862.msg976017#msg976017 date=1257013774]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=36862.msg976007#msg976007 date=1257012923]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36862.msg975990#msg975990 date=1257012357]
I haven't been in for quite a while.

It's clear his decisions in the transfer market in the past few years are really taking their toll on us now.
[/quote]

If Ferguson or Ancelotti get a signing wrong it doesn't seem as bad because they have the funds to go and buy another player, or without it being a loss to their form as they have players to come in and play at a high level, if a player goes wrong for us, and who knows if it will work out or not ? we have to try and go again and replace him, which means we will be losing out because of a lack of quality squad players to replace them

Could you see any of them having to go for 2nd choice players ?
[/quote]

Krissr we've outspent United in the past five years, whatever way you look at it. Fergie did go for second choice players this summer, Owen certainly wasn't his first choice.

It's not one transfer decision that's put us in this position it's an accumulation of bad decisions over the last three years that have us in this position.
[/quote]

He has had the luxury to buy quite a few 20m plus players we haven't, and Rafa has had to build a squad, and clear alto of players out, and as Rafa said in the interview with Tomkins he hasn't had the money to buy 1st choice players which mean's it's more of a risk to buy 2nd choice ones

Owen cost nothing and he has around 60m left off Ronaldo to spend if he wanted, Their 1st team cost more than ours by some distance
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36862.msg976021#msg976021 date=1257014001]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=36862.msg976013#msg976013 date=1257013302]
Unsurprisingly, I'm in.

We judge him on the season. Some on here wanted him gone at this time last season and look where we ended up.
[/quote]

Second with no trophies.
[/quote]

Can't be bothered. You knew full well what I meant, you're just being obtuse!
 
[quote author=krissr link=topic=36862.msg976025#msg976025 date=1257014196]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36862.msg976017#msg976017 date=1257013774]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=36862.msg976007#msg976007 date=1257012923]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36862.msg975990#msg975990 date=1257012357]
I haven't been in for quite a while.

It's clear his decisions in the transfer market in the past few years are really taking their toll on us now.
[/quote]

If Ferguson or Ancelotti get a signing wrong it doesn't seem as bad because they have the funds to go and buy another player, or without it being a loss to their form as they have players to come in and play at a high level, if a player goes wrong for us, and who knows if it will work out or not ? we have to try and go again and replace him, which means we will be losing out because of a lack of quality squad players to replace them

Could you see any of them having to go for 2nd choice players ?
[/quote]

Krissr we've outspent United in the past five years, whatever way you look at it. Fergie did go for second choice players this summer, Owen certainly wasn't his first choice.

It's not one transfer decision that's put us in this position it's an accumulation of bad decisions over the last three years that have us in this position.
[/quote]

He has had the luxury to buy quite a few 20m plus players we haven't, and Rafa has had to build a squad, and clear alto of players out, and as Rafa said in the interview with Tomkins he hasn't had the money to buy 1st choice players which mean's it's more of a risk to buy 2nd choice ones

Owen cost nothing and he has around 60m left off Ronaldo to spend if he wanted, Their 1st team cost more than ours by some distance
[/quote]

I bet he's cleared out a hell of a lot more of his own signings than Houlliers.
 
[quote author=krissr link=topic=36862.msg976025#msg976025 date=1257014196]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36862.msg976017#msg976017 date=1257013774]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=36862.msg976007#msg976007 date=1257012923]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36862.msg975990#msg975990 date=1257012357]
I haven't been in for quite a while.

It's clear his decisions in the transfer market in the past few years are really taking their toll on us now.
[/quote]

If Ferguson or Ancelotti get a signing wrong it doesn't seem as bad because they have the funds to go and buy another player, or without it being a loss to their form as they have players to come in and play at a high level, if a player goes wrong for us, and who knows if it will work out or not ? we have to try and go again and replace him, which means we will be losing out because of a lack of quality squad players to replace them

Could you see any of them having to go for 2nd choice players ?
[/quote]

Krissr we've outspent United in the past five years, whatever way you look at it. Fergie did go for second choice players this summer, Owen certainly wasn't his first choice.

It's not one transfer decision that's put us in this position it's an accumulation of bad decisions over the last three years that have us in this position.
[/quote]

He has had the luxury to buy quite a few 20m plus players we haven't, and Rafa has had to build a squad, and clear alto of players out, and as Rafa said in the interview with Tomkins he hasn't had the money to buy 1st choice players which mean's it's more of a risk to buy 2nd choice ones

Owen cost nothing and he has around 60m left off Ronaldo to spend if he wanted, Their 1st team cost more than ours by some distance
[/quote]

We've spent more than 230m under Rafa, he could have bought eleven 20m players with that money if he wanted. He didn't.

Money gives you a greater margin for error, so now that it's become a bit tighter every single mistake is affecting us more.
 
the kneejerking is inevitable and I can see the media going after him next week (whatever happens)

there's no question it's not the real LFC we're watching and when all the players are fit and healthy it will be much better and they will go on a run and play some lovely football but ive been saying it will get worse before it gets better the longer the big players are not available and it looks like we're some weeks away from that

A change of manager will not do any good, he is only getting what he can out of the shite he has. we can argue about whether he should have bought them or played them (Voronin, Babel etc are truly awful and Kuyt and others are way off form) but that is our weak squad
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36862.msg976028#msg976028 date=1257014355]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=36862.msg976025#msg976025 date=1257014196]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36862.msg976017#msg976017 date=1257013774]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=36862.msg976007#msg976007 date=1257012923]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36862.msg975990#msg975990 date=1257012357]
I haven't been in for quite a while.

It's clear his decisions in the transfer market in the past few years are really taking their toll on us now.
[/quote]

If Ferguson or Ancelotti get a signing wrong it doesn't seem as bad because they have the funds to go and buy another player, or without it being a loss to their form as they have players to come in and play at a high level, if a player goes wrong for us, and who knows if it will work out or not ? we have to try and go again and replace him, which means we will be losing out because of a lack of quality squad players to replace them

Could you see any of them having to go for 2nd choice players ?
[/quote]

Krissr we've outspent United in the past five years, whatever way you look at it. Fergie did go for second choice players this summer, Owen certainly wasn't his first choice.

It's not one transfer decision that's put us in this position it's an accumulation of bad decisions over the last three years that have us in this position.
[/quote]

He has had the luxury to buy quite a few 20m plus players we haven't, and Rafa has had to build a squad, and clear alto of players out, and as Rafa said in the interview with Tomkins he hasn't had the money to buy 1st choice players which mean's it's more of a risk to buy 2nd choice ones

Owen cost nothing and he has around 60m left off Ronaldo to spend if he wanted, Their 1st team cost more than ours by some distance
[/quote]

We've spent more than 230m under Rafa, he could have bought eleven 20m players with that money if he wanted. He didn't.

Money gives you a greater margin for error, so now that it's become a bit tighter every single mistake is affecting us more.
[/quote]

1) he doesn't get it in one go

2) he had to replace a truly awful squad (that some how managed to win the CL but was always going to get broken up and binned)

3) he has made some mistakes but they're magnified because of the budget

4) football isnt just about the £20m players, you have to have a supporting cast and that's where quite a few bob goes

for this return he has given the club CL football every year including 2 finals and the knock out stages every time (so far), an impeccable record and brought all the money back while significantly increasing the value of the squad.
 
Rough figures at Utd's team playing now, around the 175m mark

Van Der Sar - 3m

O'shea - 0m

Evra - 7m

Ferdinand - 32m

Vidic - 7m

Carrick - 17m

Anderson - 17m

Nani - 17m

Valencia - 17m

Rooney - 30m

Berbatov - 30m


Does our team come to anywere near that ?
 
I give up.

Rafa has never had any money to spend, it's all the Americans, Rick Parry and the media's fault.

Rafa is great.
 
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=36862.msg976029#msg976029 date=1257014450]
the kneejerking is inevitable and I can see the media going after him next week (whatever happens)

there's no question it's not the real LFC we're watching and when all the players are fit and healthy it will be much better and they will go on a run and play some lovely football but ive been saying it will get worse before it gets better the longer the big players are not available and it looks like we're some weeks away from that

A change of manager will not do any good, he is only getting what he can out of the shite he has. we can argue about whether he should have bought them or played them (Voronin, Babel etc are truly awful and Kuyt and others are way off form) but that is our weak squad

[/quote]

today our weak squad had starting 3 players that are not 1st choice - degan, the greek and voronin. of the 3 degan didn't do much wrong, the greek got better and it is beyond me why yossi got played first of all on the left where he is weaker and then got subbed instead of voronin.

this team should be strong enough to beat fulham. i can't remember their keeper making a save in the second half can you?

6 loses out of 7 games is not kneejerking - something is very wrong here
 
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