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I'm not playing Rosco's game any more, but suffice it to say I am sitting here in my Uruguay shirt. I can't wait for Luis to get some of the justice he deserves against England in Sao Paolo. 🙂



Yeah Portly! Good man.
 
Football journalists are just that, journalists; NOT reporters.

So they have an opinion. They mould their opinions to spark interest and controversy.

I don't get the big deal, they write with all the influences and bias we have. Switch off or tune them out.

You only have to hear and see these individuals on TV to know they are ordinary fans who've lucked into getting paid for views you mostly hear in pubs or on the web. I've yet to hear any of them give an insight or make a cogent argument any better than pundits like Neville, Carragher etc
 
Football journalists are just that, journalists; NOT reporters.

So they have an opinion. They mould their opinions to spark interest and controversy.

I don't get the big deal, they write with all the influences and bias we have. Switch off or tune them out.

You only have to hear and see these individuals on TV to know they are ordinary fans who've lucked into getting paid for views you mostly hear in pubs or on the web. I've yet to hear any of them give an insight or make a cogent argument any better than pundits like Neville, Carragher etc

I disagree, otherwise all news items in broadcast media would be opinion pieces. There is space in news media for opinion pieces, but football match reports shouldn't include it; they should be reporting what happened rather than being opinion-led articles. For instance, a chelsea-supporting journalist wouldn't be entitled to ignore their time wasting in a match report from their game against us, just because they are biased towards Chelsea.
 
I'm not playing Rosco's game any more, but suffice it to say I am sitting here in my Uruguay shirt. I can't wait for Luis to get some of the justice he deserves against England in Sao Paolo. 🙂

Its not a game.

I could lay out something that everyone would agree with in theory, but because it doesn't suit the Suarez fanboys they'd have to create a ridiculous argument against it.
 
Sadly, I think the average fan just goes with what they're told by Jamie Redknapp or Robbie Savage.

I once worked with a bloke who told me that Jamie Redknapp had said on Sky that the only way Wenger would leave Arsenal is if he quits or is sacked. I've no idea if he really said that but I can well believe it to be true. Under Keys and Gray there was a deliberate strategy to dumb down football which the BBC then started to ape; I think the employment of Neville and Carragher has switched people on to the benefits of intelligent discourse but the continued employment of people like Savage, Michael Owen et al means we're still a reasonable distance away from that being widespread.

EDIT: I listened to the Atletico/Chelsea game on 5 Live the other night and they had Robbie Savage and Michael Cox on. It was embarassing; Cox (of Zonal Marking.net) would give a brief, effective insight into tactics, whereas all Robbie Savage could do was talk in the broadest, generic cliche-ridden terms imaginable and tell people to get involved in 606. He couldn't even answer questions properly.


Sky just spend far too much time covering football matches. By that I mean the time they wrap around 90 minutes of action. Keys used to boast about how the BBC would usually only go to a live game about 15 minutes before it started, whereas Sky would start about two hours before - which summed up how deluded Keys and Co were. (Why the hell do you need that much time too set the scene?) And in Keys' era they used to have to resort to such absurd filler features as 'what songs were in the charts when these two teams played each other in the 1980s' and crap like that. They've gradually realised that it's more respectable - and cheaper and less time-consuming - if they just get two pundits to talk and talk and talk. But most of that isn't truly pertinent. Sometimes all they do is spend about ten minutes finding different ways to make a cliche-ridden term sound like an incredibly complicated and profound insight. It's incredibly rare that the likes of Neville and Carragher genuinely offer up a proper insight. So I'm not so sure it's the future. No doubt they want it to be but that's another matter.
 
Just wondering Rosco, do you actually think that Suarez isn't the player of the year?

It depends on how you view it.

If you want to do it solely on the numbers, he wins it hands down.

If you want to take a more nuanced view of the numbers is a lot less clear.
 
Nah, Ross is boss


Ross is incapable of sharing the joy that most LFC fans have when they watch Suarez. I can imagine him jabbing a compass into his leg every time Luis scores before hurriedly checking up some stats, with one eye twitching madly, to demonstrate to himself that the goal wasn't that significant. I'm sure he is boss in real life. He definitely is boss in Rugby threads. In the football forum he isn't boss. He's a twat.
 
He is the best player in the league and for that reason should win the award. If he doesn't then it residual ill feeling due to his conduct in previous seasons and the dislike it caused among many other fans and journalists alike outside of our club.

Does it bother me?

Yes. I love him.
 
I'm not playing Rosco's game any more, but suffice it to say I am sitting here in my Uruguay shirt. I can't wait for Luis to get some of the justice he deserves against England in Sao Paolo. 🙂

For the reasons above I will be supporting Uruguay as well in that match.
 
He deserves it (Suarez), but the football writers one is usually seen as an opportunity to give it to someone other than the PFA choice, isn't it? I'm not that arsed about that, as long as the recognition is deserved. Despite his recent comments, I hope Toure gets it, because he's about the only other one who deserves it.
 
I quite like this match of the day 2 extra format, it provides a televised platform for these 'writers' to show just how little they actually know.


There was a guy on a few weeks back, can't remember who, he wasn't one I'd heard too much of anyway. He was on the show with Owen after one of our games and he knew his shit. He didn't try to be sensationalist or anything, he spoke pretty much like a fan.
 
Toure will get it as the "thinking mans" choice unlike proving they understand the game better than those who foolishly can't see past all of Suarez's goals, man of the match performances and records.

I think Toure is a great player but after his "why don't I get more recognition" rant, I kinda begrudge him winning any kind of individual award.
 
Toure will get it as the "thinking mans" choice unlike proving they understand the game better than those who foolishly can't see past all of Suarez's goals, man of the match performances and records.

I think Toure is a great player but after his "why don't I get more recognition" rant, I kinda begrudge him winning any kind of individual award.

Yeah, I do think he's the only other worthy candidate, but I'm fucked if anyone has been better than Suarez, but I'm not sure Suarez would particularly want the adoration of those who've previously hung him out to dry.

I kinda agree about Toure's comments, though.
 
It depends on how you view it.

If you want to do it solely on the numbers, he wins it hands down.

If you want to take a more nuanced view of the numbers is a lot less clear.
Gosh these legal eagles Rosco is mingling with these days must be like a bunch of George Bernard Shaw's and Oscar Wildes's.

Regards
 
It depends on how you view it.

If you want to do it solely on the numbers, he wins it hands down.

If you want to take a more nuanced view of the numbers is a lot less clear.

Is it possible to take a more nuanced view OF numbers? Surely numbers are what they are. I'd love for everyone to take a more nuanced view of our 80 points and conclude that we have 87 already but alas we can't.

We could take a more nuanced view THAN just looking at the numbers. Is this guy really a lawyer?

if Suarez isn't going to win it, it could be a sentimental Stevie vote although he was gash the first half of the season.
 
And while I'm on pedantry.....the phrase 'it would take a mathematical miracle for xxx to escape' has always struck me as absurd when pundits mean an unlikely series of results. A mathematical miracle would be god appearing and decreeing 35 is worth more than 40. Technically might help someone escape relegation I suppose but not quite in the way sky's dimwits mean.
 
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