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That's the one. I thought he was decent, that was the only time I've seen him though. Then again, it's the Beeb so I guess they're not given much license to have a go.
The only "nuanced" view of the number must be that his numbers come with no penalties taken. If he had taken our pens as well and scored about 8 of them he would have had 38 goals in appr 30 games.... But it wouldn't actually make it less clear in my opinion.
I guess then, Ross would be finding a spin to put on the percentage of his goals that are penalties, or something.
He's scored 30 goals, he improved his previously volatile temper, he's been a driving force for the club, scored World Class goals and been an integral part of an exciting title challenging side. Short of solving World famine, I'm not sure what else he could have done to deserve it, statistically or methodically.
The more nuanced view of the numbers is that all goals aren't equal. A winner or an equaliser is significatly more important than scoring goals three four and five in a five nil win.
I havent actually looked at the numbers properly, but my impression is Sturridge gets us more important goals, whereas Suarez is great at piling on goals against shit opposition. There's also his poor record in games against top four teams to consider.
For me the award is about who is most important to their team, who helps their team win more.
The simple view is 30 is greater than 20, but I would argue Sturridge's 20 was much more valuable to us in terms of points gained.
I've seen a breakdown of those goals this season once already. I'm sure @King Binny knows where it is.
I think if you add the penalties he's won for us, the numbers will look even more imrpessive.
In the fantasy league he ahs 29 goals and 25 assists.
Yes, a player scoring one goal in a game is superior to one who scores several.
Sturridge should be shot for scoring 2 goals in the 4-0 win against Everton.
Sturridge should be shot for scoring 2 goals in the 4-0 win against Everton.
Ross' point about all goals not being of equal "value" is quite valid. However, how many of Sturridge's goals were setup by Suarez or because Suarez made space or dragged defenders away? How many vital penalties were won by Luis? Also worth considering.
Seems like Rosco has had a bit of a fall and hurt his head...
That's an interesting point. Anyone got the breakdown of our pen winners this season?
The 3rd, 4th and 5th goal adds momentum and increases the confidence of the team. It also adds to the goal difference which is oh so important right now. So to say one thing is more important than another is a little simplistic bordering on very wrong because you can't assign it's importance till the end of the season. Therefore, all goals are of equal importance at the time of when the game is being played.
Fucking hell man. Are you for real or are you just stupid?
There were periods of the season Luis averaged more than a goal per game.... To even start a discussion on the importance of these goals must be a woosh? If Sturridge had added 10 more without galning us extra points we would be top today.
So from the above, firstly you admit you are making your judgement without looking at the source material in depth (I thought you were a lawyer)
Secondly, no player has helped our team win more than Suarez this season, even his most hated detractors admit that so your stance is hilariously bad.
Just give up the ghost and hope he slips back next season or leaves as you are pissing against the wind on this one.
Sturridge might have won us more games if you look back at each goal and each win. I count off the top of my head at least 7 goals that were the deciding or only goals in our wins. And I think I'm being conservative. He also single handedly kickstarted this season with 3 1-0 goals scoring performances. Plus Rosco is refering to this graph:
There is an argument to be made. It's something to love about sport, nothing is ever cut and dry.
There is an argument to be made. It's something to love about sport, nothing is ever cut and dry.
This looks like a case for @singlerider
So if I'm reading this right ...
Stude and Suarez BOTH have scored 7 times when the score is tied? (Give us a lead)
Stude has scored three times more (4 vs 1) when we were down a goal
Suarez has scored six more times (10 vs 4) when we were up one goal (essentially killing a game).
Stude and Suarez BOTH have scored 7 times when the score is tied? (Give us a lead)
Stude has scored three times more (4 vs 1) when we were down a goal
Suarez has scored six more times (10 vs 4) when we were up one goal (essentially killing a game).
Sturridge might have won us more games if you look back at each goal and each win. I count off the top of my head at least 7 goals that were the deciding or only goals in our wins. And I think I'm being conservative. He also single handedly kickstarted this season with 3 1-0 goals scoring performances. Plus Rosco is refering to this graph:
There is an argument to be made. It's something to love about sport, nothing is ever cut and dry.
18 goals from Luis were deciding in us winning games mate.
7 games would have ended in a draw without his goals.
18 from Suarez and 16 from Studge. It's a great return.
Just for clarification, I don't agree with Rosco that Studge has been the better player. The fact is Suarez creates the attacking style we have as much as he benefits from it. Assists matter! We looked much better with Suarez outwide then with Studge out there for good reason. Not to mention Studge's bouts of selfish behavior in front of goal this season really did hurt us in the end, GD wise.
But to say that some goals have more importance then others is completely correct and I wanted to argue that point. If you look at strictly goals, I think Studge's have possibly had more importance.
I wonder if the FWA understood the nuances of it all ......obv not.
Congratulations Luis, you were robbed of it last year.
Congratulations Luis, you were robbed of it last year.
I have never seen such a player as Suarez his goals, skills , awareness , tenacity , competitiveness , hard work and child-like enjoyment of playing are fantastic. He now is the best player I have ever seen pull on a red shirt.
These two latest rewards are wholly deserved and no one should disagree with that.
Regards
These two latest rewards are wholly deserved and no one should disagree with that.
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