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Will Suarez leave? The 2014 version

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keniget said:
Come on, as much as we don't want to hear it, it does make sense.

Dutch based players are always questioned about their ability to perform in one of the top three leagues. Suarez has done proved that he can. Comfortably.

We like to think of ourselves as a European powerhouse (and in the 'sleeping giant' sense, we are) but most don't and therefore Real and their equivalents are viewed as another step up. Prove that you can cut it playing with the best players around and win things.

Last season was amazing but we are going to find it very very hard to win things. The likes of Barca expect to be challenging regularly both domestically and in European competition.
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Well, no, he DOES have something to prove. He's worked hard to help his team get into the champions' league, and next season he can show how dominant he can be in that competition, and if he wins things he can prove he deserves to be thought of as a genuine LFC great. Moving after the club had ended up seventh - yes, that made sense. Moving now is just down to money and personal preference, but let's not dress it up as some kind of inexorable career choice. It doesn't matter where he is next season as far as the big stage is concerned (but for week in, week out competitiveness it's more like he's running from, not to, the big challenge by moving to Spain).
 
gkmacca said:
Well, no, he DOES have something to prove. He's worked hard to help his team get into the champions' league, and next season he can show how dominant he can be in that competition, and if he wins things he can prove he deserves to be thought of as a genuine LFC great. Moving after the club had ended up seventh - yes, that made sense. Moving now is just down to money and personal preference, but let's not dress it up as some kind of inexorable career choice. It doesn't matter where he is next season as far as the big stage is concerned (but for week in, week out competitiveness it's more like he's running from, not to, the big challenge by moving to Spain).
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Fair enough, I disagree.

We are in the CL next year but have a ways to go before we establish ourselves as regulars again and given the moneyed teams we are up against that may prove rather difficult.

Suarez can of course graft away to prove more here but other clubs can offer more guarantees of competing year in, year out.

Gerrard was one of the best in Europe for a good few years and hasn't quite been recognized as much as he could've been has he been playing elsewhere and challenging for and winning titles.

Suarez only has to look at his captain for one possible outcome at Liverpool (of course not the only).
 
But what does that difference have to do with next season? Does he feel playing for a richer club in a worse league is really that big an advance? Are there two separate champions' leagues next season? Does playing well in a World Cup now mean he'll be forgotten 'again' unless he's in three-team league battle in Spain?
 
gkmacca said:
But what does that difference have to do with next season? Does he feel playing for a richer club in a worse league is really that big an advance? Are there two separate champions' leagues next season? Does playing well in a World Cup now mean he'll be forgotten 'again' unless he's in three-team league battle in Spain?
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I think there is an element of rose tinted glasses going on here. The Premiership is of course more competitive at the moment but for many people Real and Barca represent the pinnacle of club football and whilst we may not agree, that's just how it is. Take (fake) Ronaldo who had everything a player could ever want at Utd - he still wanted to go play for Real because that was seen as the end game.

As for what it has to do with next season, I'm not quite sure what you mean. We are in the CL, sure, but with all the teams around us likely to strengthen significantly, it will be hard to replicate what we did last season in the league and as I said before, we could find ourselves out of the CL the following season.

In terms of challenging and being in the CL each season I'm using Real as an example but it could just as easily be City or Chelsea in the Prem. As a player you know you're pretty much going to be in the mix every year barring a disaster and if that does happen, the club will spend heavily to ensure it doesn't happen again.

I don't want to be all negative about our chances and what not but at this moment in time I don't really understand how you can seriously argue that choosing between us and some of these other teams simply boils down to personal preference and the size of your bank balance.

We made great strides last year and have some great young players at the club but we need to prove that that wasn't a one off and I don't think it's particularly hard to appreciate that Suarez, at this point in his career, might not be willing to take a gamble on us.
 
Keni makes some good points there. Sums up how I feel about the situation.
 
localny said:
FSG do course will also be seeing this year as now or never to cash in on the player at his peak. He has maybe three world lass seasons left in him? Four if he's suarez
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Errr Yes, he is Suarez.

*confused that we may be talking about another player leaving for £65-100M and wonders who it may be*
 
keniget said:
Last season was amazing but we are going to find it very very hard to win things. The likes of Barca expect to be challenging regularly both domestically and in European competition.
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I actually think, with Suarez and suitable reinforcements this Summer, we have a better shot at the CL than we do at the PL this coming season. I am really excited to see us come up against some of the European 'powerhouses' ; Barca, Bayern, PSG, Real, Juventus, Atletico .... should be great to watch, especially as I expect we'll be stronger defensively this season.
With the exception of Chelsea (who we should have beaten at home) we've already proven we can beat 1/8 final quality teams in City, Arsenal and United.
 
keniget said:
As for what it has to do with next season, I'm not quite sure what you mean. We are in the CL, sure, but with all the teams around us likely to strengthen significantly, it will be hard to replicate what we did last season in the league and as I said before, we could find ourselves out of the CL the following season.
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This is a line that is reeled out year after year ... and I don't see teams actually improving in line with their expenditure and in some cases improving at all regardless of the money spent, some even regress with big money failures.
Hopefully we will be an exception as we have obvious weaknesses that need addressing but when you already have a very strong team/squad it's more difficult, and chancy, to move a player(s) on and bring new players in. There are no guarantees as Chelsea, and even City in 2013, have proven over the years.
 
Looks like Falcao is Madrid's #1 target ... If this happens, it's only Barca but Mirror is running with Madrid wanting him for massive weekly wages:

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Frogfish said:
This is a line that is reeled out year after year ... and I don't see teams actually improving in line with their expenditure and in some cases improving at all regardless of the money spent, some even regress with big money failures.
Hopefully we will be an exception as we have obvious weaknesses that need addressing but when you already have a very strong team/squad it's more difficult, and chancy, to move a player(s) on and bring new players in. There are no guarantees as Chelsea, and even City in 2013, have proven over the years.
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This is true, I think what he means is, it's a competitive league, so there are no guarantees, Rodgers is more or less a new comer to European Football, teams are also wise to how we play and our subsequent flaws - as could arguably be evidenced by the last few games of the season.

It's also fair to say that the three man team battle in Spain, while not as widespread competitive as the Premiership, it's as strong or if not, stronger at the moment, but can Atletico keep it up? If he goes to Real, he's more or less guaranteed a title challenge and a good stint in the CL, we're still very much a work in progress, we punched above our weight in many respects. People shouldn't lose sight of the fact that our main aim was to get back in Europe, we went beyond that with a squad that was, on paper, capable of much less.
 
In the BBC gossip page today...

Uruguay's Liverpool striker Luis Suarez, 28, has repeated his claim that he is not respected by the English media. Daily Mirror

The time is right for Luis Suarez, 28, to quit Liverpool and make a move to either Real Madrid or Barcelona because he has "nothing left to prove in England", according to his father-in-law. La Sexta (in Spanish)

...it's all very predictable.
 
Buddha said:
In the BBC gossip page today...

Uruguay's Liverpool striker Luis Suarez, 28, has repeated his claim that he is not respected by the English media. Daily Mirror

The time is right for Luis Suarez, 28, to quit Liverpool and make a move to either Real Madrid or Barcelona because he has "nothing left to prove in England", according to his father-in-law. La Sexta (in Spanish)

...it's all very predictable.
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I'm surprised more hasn't been made of Suarez' quotes after the England game, which mirror what his Father In Law said. He basically said that he's proven his detractors in England wrong now.
 
mark1975 said:
I'm surprised more hasn't been made of Suarez' quotes after the England game, which mirror what his Father In Law said. He basically said that he's proven his detractors in England wrong now.
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I hope he has that chip on his shoulder if he stays ... because that's what makes him even better ...
 
I think I've already reached the point of not giving a fuck either way, just so long as it happens one way or another quickly.



Another tedious drawn out much-gnashing-of-teeth-Fest would be too much.

Thankfully I'll be hopping around Europe with data on my phone turned off, blissfully oblivious for the most part.

.... Or hammered.
 
Buddha said:
In the BBC gossip page today...

Uruguay's Liverpool striker Luis Suarez, 28, has repeated his claim that he is not respected by the English media. Daily Mirror

The time is right for Luis Suarez, 28, to quit Liverpool and make a move to either Real Madrid or Barcelona because he has "nothing left to prove in England", according to his father-in-law. La Sexta (in Spanish)

...it's all very predictable.
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I'd put more stock in the Daily Mirror "rumour" if they got his age right.......he's 27.
 
keniget said:
Feels like you're being purposely obtuse.

Carry on.
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How very charming. Someone disagrees with me = they're being deliberately obtuse. No, I just don't share your low opinion of the club, or your sudden reverence for La Liga, or for your willingness to excuse what is a pretty cynical and mercenary ambition as some kind of honest sporting pursuit. That really only merits an 'agree to differ,' so let's just do that.
 
It doesn't matter what we think of the club, the fact is that the majority of players from South America rate Barcelona and Real as their dream clubs. As do their friends, families and father in laws. No amount of arguing will get away from that.
 
Gerry_A_Trick said:
It doesn't matter what we think of the club, the fact is that the majority of players from South America rate Barcelona and Real as their dream clubs. As do their friends, families and father in laws. No amount of arguing will get away from that.
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And this brilliant empirical study came courtesy of which mad funding? We can pick and choose at players' empty words, even those from South America:

Suarez said: “The whole world knows what history Liverpool have.
"They are one of the best teams in Europe, some great players have played here and I was very excited to join.
“When I was 10-years-old I used to play as them on PlayStation but I never imagined I would play here."
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If he said that now about Real or Barca, maybe you'd take it as gospel. As they're about Liverpool, of course they're just words. Take a bow, Derrida, son, take a bow. The truth is he'll say whatever he likes to serve his very earthbound and self-serving purposes, so there's no need for this straining to support his actions.
 
gkmacca said:
And this brilliant empirical study came courtesy of which mad funding? We can pick and choose at players' empty words, even those from South America:
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Just by the evidence, all the best South American players end up there, which has bred a want for the future best players to play there.

I'm not saying he will definitely go there, or we couldn't convince him to stay. But there's no denying that he would love to play for one of them at some stage, and that all his friends and family would want that too. They have a draw that any club outside of those two will struggle to ever achieve.
 
Gerry_A_Trick said:
Just by the evidence, all the best South American players end up there, which has bred a want for the future best players to play there.

I'm not saying he will definitely go there, or we couldn't convince him to stay. But there's no denying that he would love to play for one of them at some stage, and that all his friends and family would want that too. They have a draw that any club outside of those two will struggle to ever achieve.
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'All' the best players...'there's no denying'...are you Thomas Hobbes or just an early Enlightenment throwback?
 
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