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[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42145.msg1199746#msg1199746 date=1287385967]
As for who to bring in, I wanted someone young and hungry, and still do.

Rijkaard would be a gamble worth taking tho.
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he has shown himself capable of brining through youth and we have very talented youngsters. he is certainly not afraid of thrusting them into the first team.
you'd hope he wouldn't think poulsen is a better option that shevley for example
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These comments has annoyed me for quite some time so here goes:

Everyone with even half a clue about football would pick an experienced 30-year-old in Poulsen ahead of a completely unproven 18-year-old during times of trouble.

To even think that Shelvey at this stage is the answer to any of our prayers is beyond stupid. I've even seen posters on here suggest that we should try with the likes of Sterling and Suso. That's even more stupid. There are reasons they are U18 to Reserve-level players still and to throw them in at the deep end during these extremely difficult times could potentially break their necks. Metaphorically speaking of course.

The answer is not to throw kids into our starting line-up but to demand from the senior-players we've already got to take responsibility and man up. Maybe Poulsen will be an epic fail but he's one of the best bets we've got to turn things around whether we like it or not. If he does keep failing however he'll probably take Roy with him but let's not pretend that teenagers at this point in time without any experience at all would be better bets.
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42145.msg1199767#msg1199767 date=1287387803]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42145.msg1199749#msg1199749 date=1287386292]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42145.msg1199746#msg1199746 date=1287385967]
As for who to bring in, I wanted someone young and hungry, and still do.

Rijkaard would be a gamble worth taking tho.
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he has shown himself capable of brining through youth and we have very talented youngsters. he is certainly not afraid of thrusting them into the first team.
you'd hope he wouldn't think poulsen is a better option that shevley for example
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These comments has annoyed me for quite some time so here goes:

Everyone with even half a clue about football would pick an experienced 30-year-old in Poulsen ahead of a completely unproven 18-year-old during times of trouble.

To even think that Shelvey at this stage is the answer to any of our prayers is beyond stupid. I've even seen posters on here suggest that we should try with the likes of Sterling and Suso. That's even more stupid. There are reasons they are U18 to Reserve-level players still and to throw them in at the deep end during these extremely difficult times could potentially break their necks. Metaphorically speaking of course.

The answer is not to throw kids into our starting line-up but to demand from the senior-players we've already got to take responsibility and man up. Maybe Poulsen will be an epic fail but he's one of the best bets we've got to turn things around whether we like it or not. If he does keep failing however he'll probably take Roy with him but let's not pretend that teenagers at this point in time without any experience at all would be better bets.
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KHL, poulsen is pure fucking shite, mate.
 
I have not seen Jonjo played, so I have no idea how good/bad is he, but he has already played 2 seasons of first team football at charlton.

Although it's still a risk to throw him in the starting line-up, there's no harm to name him among the subs.

If you're good enough, you're old enough.
 
[quote author=KopPoNok link=topic=42145.msg1199770#msg1199770 date=1287388268]
I have not seen Jonjo played, so I have no idea how good/bad is he, but he has already played 2 seasons of first team football at charlton.

Although it's still a risk to throw him in the starting line-up, there's no harm to name him among the subs.

If you're good enough, you're old enough.[/quote]

That's a truth I'm not going to dispute.

But Jonjo hasn't played a single minute of Premier League footie so far. And as his Charlton appearances has been at League One level I think it's unrealistic to expect that he'd make a difference. It takes time to develop young players and apart from Rooney and a handful of others I can't recall many 18-year-olds ready to be given such responsibility as it would be to be placed in the Liverpool engine-room at this specific time. Imagine if he had a few poor games - posters on here wouldn't hesitate to tear him apart.

Poulsen for all his lack of class so far knows the game has walked through many a storm and should be ready to man up and show why he was even brought here in the first place. Same goes for Joe Cole, Maxi, Raul et all. We need those players to up their game instantly and fight for the shirt and the club.
 
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[quote author=KingDing link=topic=42145.msg1199726#msg1199726 date=1287384351]
Liverpool Line Up Frank Rijkaard as Replacement for Exit Bound Anfield Boss Roy Hodgson


Liverpool are reportedly preparing the ground for a move to bring in Galatasaray Manager Frank Rijkaard to replace under fire Anfield boss Roy Hodgson. The club’s new owners are ready to give the current Liverpool boss until January to turn things around but will then look to bring in the former Barcelona boss ahead of the re-opening of the transfer window.

The 48 year old former Ajax and AC Milan playing legend has not had the best of times in Turkey and after taking his side to a disappointing third placed finish last term has seen his Istanbul outfit slump to an even worse start this time around.

The signs are that the Dutchman is ready to leave Galatasaray and would jump at a high profile job and a move to Liverpool would be a useful way to reignite a managerial career that already has some notable achievements. During his five year reign at the Nou Camp he led the Catalan giants to two La Liga titles and the 2006 Champions League title.

The attack minded manager would be a marked contrast to the more defensive pragmatic approach employed by Roy Hodgson who has presided over a truly woeful start to the Premier League campaign which leaves Liverpool second from bottom in the Premier League table.

It seems that the new owner John W.Henry is willing to take the financial hit that would come from the termination of Hodgson’s contract which is believed would set the club back £3m.
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Another gamble. He did well at Barca but also had an incredibly gifted side. And while it would be refreshing to have an attack minded manager, just as pressing is our inability to defend and there would be big question marks over him coming into the Premiership and shoring things up at the back.

I'd rather go with a short term option like Kenny NOW than wait until January and start sniffing around other managers, it won't be good for the club or Hodgson and if things continue to be this dire, leaving it 'til January could be catastrophic, especially if the option then is to bring in someone like Rijkaard who hasn't got any experience in English Football.
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That's being extremely harsh on Rijkaard. You don't win two league titles and one CL title with just gifted players. You need to have been well managed, and Barcelona were. He built that team. Ronaldinho might have been a a gift from Laporta, but a large part of the core of the team (Giuly, Marquez, Deco, Eto'o etc. ) was constituted through a number of smart and relatively cheap signings by Rijkaard. He was also the one who promoted Valdez and Iniesta to the first team, and the one who gave Messi his first break.

There were rumours that it was Ten Cate who was the brains behind the setup and that Rijkaard lost the dressing room towards the end, but there's no denying that he's a smart, confident and aggressive manager.

Checklist

Young
Winning experience
Aggressive
Experience in handling big names
Multi-lingual (speaks English, Spanish and Dutch)

If he's available, we'd be crazy not to be interested. We could do far far worse.
 
it was reported that if we sack him before a certain time we only need to compensate him for 1 year of wages which is 3m

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Is Hodgson being paid 3 million a year?

I find that a bit hard to believe, and as the release clause is a year's wages I don't think it'll be as high as 3 million.
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[quote author=KHL link=topic=42145.msg1199767#msg1199767 date=1287387803]

These comments has annoyed me for quite some time so here goes:

Everyone with even half a clue about footballwould pick an experienced 30-year-old in Poulsen ahead of a completely unproven 18-year-old during times of trouble.

To even think that Shelvey at this stage is the answer to any of our prayers is beyond stupid. I've even seen posters on here suggest that we should try with the likes of Sterling and Suso. That's even more stupid. There are reasons they are U18 to Reserve-level players still and to throw them in at the deep end during these extremely difficult times could potentially break their necks. Metaphorically speaking of course.

The answer is not to throw kids into our starting line-up but to demand from the senior-players we've already got to take responsibility and man up. Maybe Poulsen will be an epic fail but he's one of the best bets we've got to turn things around whether we like it or not. If he does keep failing however he'll probably take Roy with him but let's not pretend that teenagers at this point in time without any experience at all would be better bets.
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Unfortunately, one of these people include Roy. Half a clue, that's all he's got.
 
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[quote author=KHL link=topic=42145.msg1199767#msg1199767 date=1287387803]

These comments has annoyed me for quite some time so here goes:

Everyone with even half a clue about footballwould pick an experienced 30-year-old in Poulsen ahead of a completely unproven 18-year-old during times of trouble.

To even think that Shelvey at this stage is the answer to any of our prayers is beyond stupid. I've even seen posters on here suggest that we should try with the likes of Sterling and Suso. That's even more stupid. There are reasons they are U18 to Reserve-level players still and to throw them in at the deep end during these extremely difficult times could potentially break their necks. Metaphorically speaking of course.

The answer is not to throw kids into our starting line-up but to demand from the senior-players we've already got to take responsibility and man up. Maybe Poulsen will be an epic fail but he's one of the best bets we've got to turn things around whether we like it or not. If he does keep failing however he'll probably take Roy with him but let's not pretend that teenagers at this point in time without any experience at all would be better bets.
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Unfortunately, one of these people include Roy. Half a clue, that's all he's got.
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Sadly that's probably about right.
 
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...but get busy in the meantime sounding people out.
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There'd be no chance in January but the summer just MIGHT be a different story if he's bored the bejabers out of the fans and the board by then. It would hardly be the first time they'd naffed off a winning manager, especially if he doesn't actually bring back the title and Barca pip them to the post in La Liga.

But whether or not Mourinho becomes a realistic prospect then, it has to be Kenny while we look around. Nothing else makes sense IMO.
 
Rijkaard knows how to build a squad. He did it at Barca. Talented youngsters or not he still brought in players to compliment his team. He made the complete package. Guadiola seems to be trying to dismantle this achievement
 
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=42145.msg1199794#msg1199794 date=1287392163]
Rijkaard knows how to build a squad. He did it at Barca. Talented youngsters or not he still brought in players to compliment his team. He made the complete package. Guadiola seems to be trying to dismantle this achievement
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What?
 
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[quote author=Fabio link=topic=42145.msg1199794#msg1199794 date=1287392163]
Rijkaard knows how to build a squad. He did it at Barca. Talented youngsters or not he still brought in players to compliment his team. He made the complete package. Guadiola seems to be trying to dismantle this achievement
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What?


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Buying players who aren't needed for ludicrous sums. Losing player with actual quality that can play well in their set-up. Yaya was a solid player for them and knew how to give it and go with a passing accuracy. MAscher doesn't. ibra is a strong selfish forward lacking in pace, etoo knew how to drive through the middle with pace. Hes buyign the wrong type of players for their team
 
They've made a couple of horrendous decisions with the Ibra for Eto'o swap at the top of the list, but to talk about Guardiola as dismantling Rijkaards good work is a bit weird, no?
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42145.msg1199815#msg1199815 date=1287393068]
They've made a couple of horrendous decisions with the Ibra for Eto'o swap at the top of the list, but to talk about Guardiola as dismantling Rijkaards good work is a bit weird, no?
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True, however you could also say that guardiolas team is obviously worse than rijkaards. He can't spot a transfer that would obviously improve the squad, or at least ones that aren't smack-you-in-the-face obvious. David Villa is the only one who i think could be a success and that's because he's obviously an incredible talent. But even then, he's quite selfiish so not really ingrained into the team ethos like others were.

Also i remembered the ill fated defensive replacement Chgrynskiy (sp?) as another colossal 1 season waste of funds.
 
I'm not sure Fabio, I would think that it is Barca's sporting director who is buying all these players. There might be input from the manager too though.

Is the current sporting director the same as during Rijkaard's time?
 
But Rijkaard doesnt seem to be doing too great at Galatasaray. Plus, apart from Barca he's achieved fuck all anywhere else he has managed.

Lets not forget that even though he won the league and CL at Barca, in his last 2 seasons there, he won nothing either.

I'd take Guardiola in a heartbeat over Rijakaard.

What we ideally need is the next Arsene Wenger - we wont have megabucks to spend, so we need someone with an eye for identifying talent and who preaches good, attacking football.
 
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=42145.msg1199815#msg1199815 date=1287393068]
They've made a couple of horrendous decisions with the Ibra for Eto'o swap at the top of the list, but to talk about Guardiola as dismantling Rijkaards good work is a bit weird, no?
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True, however you could also say that guardiolas team is obviously worse than rijkaards. He can't spot a transfer that would obviously improve the squad, or at least ones that aren't smack-you-in-the-face obvious. David Villa is the only one who i think could be a success and that's because he's obviously an incredible talent. But even then, he's quite selfiish so not really ingrained into the team ethos like others were.

Also i remembered the ill fated defensive replacement Chgrynskiy (sp?) as another colossal 1 season waste of funds.
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Rijkaard left a team that had stagnated - Real had won the title two years on the trot and they finished third in his final season - and a fractious dressing room with two of the teams best players needing dealing with (Eto'o and Ronaldinho).

In his first season the team had the best season ever in Spanish history winning everything there was to win and recording the highest points haul ever in La Liga.

He brought through Busquets and Pedro who managed to get themselves into the starting eleven of one of the best international sides in history.

Maxwell was bought for around 4M and has proved to be a solid, if not spectular, attacking LB for them.

Keita has been a fantastic signing for them and one of the main reasons (along with Busquets) Toure struggled to get into the side.

Adriano has yet to really get much of a chance, but is a good versatile player and at 10M euros was a good signing.

Now I've said in the past that Guardiola has perhaps received too much credit for this current Barca team as so much of the work was done by Rijkaard and co. prior to him arriving, but I really don't agree with what you're saying at all.
 
How is Quique Sanchez Flores doing this season?

I think he'd get Oncy's vote

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I don't want Rijkaard.

Also, what's the point of giving Hodgson until January? If we sack him then and get a new manager in we could be way off in the league, still in our current position in all likelihood, and the new manager wouldn't have time to identify his targets for the transfer window.

Sack him now and get Kenny in while we look for a long term solution.
 
A nice summary of Rijkaard's time at Barcelona.

It was the year 2003, the year new Club President elect Joan Laporta hired Frank Rijkaard as manager of FC Barcelona. Real Madrid had just won two of the past 3 La Liga titles and were succeeding in the early 2000?s. Barcelona were a club in crisis and they were in debt. Before the hiring of Rijkaard, Barca ended the season in 6th place and had not won La Liga or a single trophy since the 1998-99 season. The Nou Camp was no longer full of joy but instead with anger and pessimism because of the direction the club was heading.

So it was time to rebuild and start fresh, and that started at the top with Laporta and Director of football Txiki Begiristain. June 23, 2003 Rijkaard was hired and that is where the building blocks started. Real Madrid were deemed the Galactico’s in other words superstars, signing big names such as Ronaldo from Brazil,Zidane,Claude Makalele and former Barca legend Luis Figo. Madrid were getting all the press clippings and attention from what Club President Florentino Perez was building at Madrid but Barca had plans of their own. Barca rated Manchester United winger David Beckham as their number one target and Ronaldinho second. Beckham snubbed a move to Barca and chose Madrid. Ronaldinho on the other hand was playing his club football for Pairs St. Germain and was coming off a World Cup victory over Germany the previous summer.

Barca outbid Manchester United and signed Ronaldinho on the 19th of July that year. It will be set in stone and forever remembered by Barcelona fans. More players came along as Rijkaard signed defender Rafael Marquez from Monaco,Edgar Davids(Juventus),Ricardo Quaresma(Sporting Lisbon),Giovanni van Bronckhorst(Arsenal), but Rijkaard struggled early on in his first season as old players who did not meet the standards of Barca,and the fans were phased out. Rijkaard rebuilt his new-side by building his team around Ronaldinho while implementing Barca youth players such as Xavi,Puyol,Victor Valdes and Andres Iniesta.

Barca hit rock bottom falling as low as 16th in the table and lost to Rivals Real Madrid in December. Fans were calling for his and Laporta’s resignation. It took patience and strategic planning, as Barca were climbing out of debt while trying to field a winning team and restore the Barca glory from years past. Barcelona would go on to finish the 2003-04 season in 2nd place, just 5 points behind La Liga champions Valencia. Meanwhile Real Madrid placed 4th as this was a sign to come. Expectations were raised following a strong finish by Rijkaard’s side after the 2003-04 season as Barcelona were now favorites to win the league.

Rijakaard would continue to build his quad and that would start with offloading Ricardo Quaresma to FC Porto for midfielder Deco. Rijkaard also wanted a top notch finisher up front to compliment the service from the midfield. The man Rijkaard wanted was Mallorca scoring machine Samuel Eto’o, and he got him. The next signing would be Ludovic Giuly, a talented Frenchman who played for Monaco. The 2004-05 season was a success as Barca won La Liga for the first time since the 98-99 season but no European glory.

The tactics used during his tenure as manager of FC Barcelona best exemplify Frank Rijkaard’s commitment to playing stylish attacking football. During the team’s 2004–05 and 2005–06 campaigns, the coach frequently fielded a 4-1-2-2-1 formation, a system which encouraged the creativity of the players in the front third of the field and created optimal interplay between the midfielders and forwards during attacks. Within this system the four defenders also tended to play in a relatively high position on the pitch to support the midfield which frequently advanced to participate in the attack.

The team generally focuses on maintaining possession in the opponents’ half of the field, applying pressure in order to force the opposition to make errors in defense and offensive counter-attacking. Rijkaard’s puzzle was coming together after the 2004-05 season and expectations were even higher as they were now targeting the Champions League. Rijkaard brought in role players to fill specific needs on the pitch such as Henrik Larsson,Mark Van Bommel,Edmilson, and Maxi. He also added depth to the bench, because it is a long season where injuries always occur and many matches are to be played. The 2005-06 season would be Rijkaard’s best to date, as the team had stars who played a beautiful style of football that was captivating the world of Football.

The main star was Ronaldinho, who was Rijkaard’s foundation to success. Samuel Eto’o was scoring goals at a rapid pace, and finished the previous season one goal shy of the pichichi behind Villareal’s Diego Forlan. Deco, Ronnie’s partner in midfield would help lead Barca to win the Champions league over the favored English team Arsenal headed by Thierry Henry. Barca would win La Liga for the second consecutive season, along while winning the Supercopa. It was a vision and a plan that Laporta and Rijkaard put together when they arrived in 2003 that had all come into fruition.

The titles, the trophies, the glory, but first and foremost, the Catalan community and the fans of Barcelona. The players were enjoying individual success as well. Ronaldinho would win his second consecutive FIFA World Player of the year award(2004-05,2005-2006). Et’o won the Pichichi award, netting 26 league goals. Rijkaard became the first Barcelona coach to have won twice at Real Madrid’s stadium Santiago Bernabéu, an achievement which even successful managers like Johan Cruijff, Louis van Gaal and Luis Aragonés were unable to accomplish.

His no nonsense policy on and off the field, and the sparkling football played by his team, won him many plaudits and Rijkaard was among the five nominated coaches for UEFA’s Team of the Year 2005. On 8 March 2006 he was also honoured by UEFA for his contributions to the European Cup Competition throughout his career as player and manager. At the start of the 2006-07 season Barca were once again favorites and they were now the talk of Spain and around the world. They would make a few signings by bringing in Juventus defenders Gianluca Zambrotta and Lilian Thuram.

They also signed forward Gudjohnsen from Chelsea. This would also be the season where we would see Lionel Messi inserted into the starting lineup. Rijkaard gave Messi his debut in a friendly on 11/16/03 in a friendly match against FC Porto at just the young age of 16. Messi would come off the bench for a couple of seasons and impressed Rijkaard. The season ended in a huge disappointment as Barca would let their lead in the table slip with just a month of the season to go, and finished second to Rivals Real Madrid. The only trophy Barca won was the Supercopa. The summer 0f 2007 Barca made a splash with the signing of Thierry Henry from Arsenal.

It was big news as everyone wanted to know what formation would Rijkaard use, and who was going to be left on the bench. Barca also would bring in Yaya Toure,Eric Abidal and Gabi Milito, and Rijkaard once again went to they youth system for Bojan and Gio Dos Santos. The 2007-08 season was a huge letdown as the team was hit by injures to Ronaldinho,Henry,Eto’o,Messi,Milito and Deco. The team was different every week as it was hard to find chemistry with the players because of the injuries. The locker room was unsettled as reports were surfacing about the divided locker room. Barca would go on to finish the season 3rd in the table and not win a single trophy. Thierry Henry,Barca’s biggest signing would lead the team with 19 goals even though he was injured. T

he team had all the right pieces but they failed due to massive injures and unrest in the locker room. After losing to Manchester United in the semifinal of the 2007–08 UEFA Champions League, Rijkaard was asked whether he would quit at the end of the season seeing as though he had not won anything for two successive seasons. Rijkaard replied:

“I have no intention of leaving. It would be different if the players were saying it is time for me to go but that is not the case.â€

On 1 May 2008, it is reported that Frank Rijkaard allegedly confided to a colleague that he would be stepping down as Barcelona manager at the end of the season. But 24 hours later Rijkaard stated in a press conference that he has no intention of leaving Barcelona.
On 8 May 2008, the day after Barcelona’s dismal 4-1 defeat to arch rivals Real Madrid, Barcelona’s president Joan Laporta announced that at the end of the 2007-2008 season, Frank Rijkaard will no longer be head coach of the first team.

Laporta made the announcement after a board meeting; Rijkaard was succeeded by Josep Guardiola. Joan Laporta made it clear that Frank Rijkaard’s achievements “made history†and praised him for his time at the club. It was time to say goodbye to Ronaldino and Deco as they were sold to Milan and Chelsea. Eto’o was reportedly on his way out as well but he stayed one more season and led Barca to another La Liga title along while scoring the decisive goal to win the Champions League once again defeating defending champs Manchester United.

Eto’o also finished the season a few goals shy of the Pichichi award behind Diego Forlan of Atletico Madrid just as the same before in the 2004-05 season. Eto’o the last of Rijkaard’s original three, was forced out by Joan Laporta and new coach Guardiola and will now be playing for Inter Milan. Lionel Messi would go on to thank Frank Rijkaard by saying, “he was the man who believed in me, he gave me the chance to start at Barca, he believed in my abilities on the pitch and he showed me how to become a man. We won glory with Rijkaard and for that I can never forget he was a inspirational coach and I will always remember and thank him for everything he has done for my career.â€

He's had an interesting managerial career:

- Very good start with the Dutch national side when he took them to the semis in Euro 2000.
- Disaster after that when he took charge of Sparta Rotterdam in 2002 and was sacked a season later when he led them to relegation.
- Barca boss from 2003-2008 where he won two league titles and one CL (and the UEFA Manager of the Year)
- 2009-to date - Galatasaray where he hasn't set the world alight but done okay (He was appointed in 2009 after they had finished 5th in the league. They finish 3rd in the league last year). Gala fans are mostly split with some saying that he's not been good enough and some saying that he's done okay and has been constrained by a poor board and off-the-field issues.

It is a gamble but I'd still think it's a better gamble than most others.
 
I'd give Hodgson the next home league game but I agree with you, Hal. there is no logic in waiting til January. A new manager needs time to assess the players he has been given.
 
rijkaard wouldn't be my first choice but I wouldn't be displeased with it like I was when roy's name got pulled from the hat.
 
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rijkaard would be my first choice but I wouldn't be displeased with it like I was when roy's name got pulled from the hat.
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So he would be your first choice and you wouldn't be displeased?
 
[quote author=Rafiagra link=topic=42145.msg1199850#msg1199850 date=1287395470]
I'd give Hodgson the next home league game but I agree with you, Hal. there is no logic in waiting til January. A new manager needs time to assess the players he has been given.
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I agree about January, but then I don't see the logic in giving Roy the next home game. He needs to go immediately.
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42145.msg1199852#msg1199852 date=1287395600]
rijkaard would be my first choice but I wouldn't be displeased with it like I was when roy's name got pulled from the hat.
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So he would be your first choice and you wouldn't be displeased?
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typo - 'wouldn't'
 
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[quote author=KopPoNok link=topic=42145.msg1199770#msg1199770 date=1287388268]
I have not seen Jonjo played, so I have no idea how good/bad is he, but he has already played 2 seasons of first team football at charlton.

Although it's still a risk to throw him in the starting line-up, there's no harm to name him among the subs.

If you're good enough, you're old enough.[/quote]

That's a truth I'm not going to dispute.

But Jonjo hasn't played a single minute of Premier League footie so far. And as his Charlton appearances has been at League One level I think it's unrealistic to expect that he'd make a difference. It takes time to develop young players and apart from Rooney and a handful of others I can't recall many 18-year-olds ready to be given such responsibility as it would be to be placed in the Liverpool engine-room at this specific time. Imagine if he had a few poor games - posters on here wouldn't hesitate to tear him apart.

Poulsen for all his lack of class so far knows the game has walked through many a storm and should be ready to man up and show why he was even brought here in the first place. Same goes for Joe Cole, Maxi, Raul et all. We need those players to up their game instantly and fight for the shirt and the club.
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I totally agree with Kristian on this one. Anyone who'd seen Poulsen play before he joined us would have to ask himself if we got his inadequate footballer of an identical twin brother instead. He was quite good for Juventus last season and very good for Sevilla before joining them. The question we ought to be asking about the guy is the same one we're meant to be asking about Maxi and most of the team, why are they playing this badly under Hodgson. I doubt we signed Jonjo Shelvey to be an instant addition to the first team.

Back to the main gist of this thread, I'd like to suggest a name no one has mentioned up until now, it might be expensive getting him to leave his current job but Luciano Spaletti (sp?) would be an excellent choice for manager IMO. He'll get us playing good attacking football and he has a track record of getting the best out of his players too.

The negatives as to his coming here will be:
1. The aforementioned cost of securing his release from Zenit St. Petersburg (who are quite awash with cash).
2. The language barrier

If we can't get him, Quique Sanchez Flores or Rijkaard will do just fine. I doubt Unai Emery will leave Valencia now that they're experiencing what is their best start to a season since they last won the title.
 
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