Where's the creativity?

[moron]

I think we are still finding our feet - and Henderson, and Adam have already scored for us, and so has Carroll (in Carling Cup). I don't think scoring is going to be a problem as we continue to create chances - I think our problem is going to be control of the midfield, and lack of pace on occasions.

 

[Ryan]

So in summary, we need more world class players in attack.

Whodathunkiteh?

 

[LeTallecWiz]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46909.msg1401638#msg1401638 date=1316404997]
So in summary, we need more world class players in attack.

Whodathunkiteh?
[/quote]

Go on Ryan, who would you have signed that would have come to us?

 

[dmishra]

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46909.msg1401646#msg1401646 date=1316413371]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46909.msg1401638#msg1401638 date=1316404997]
So in summary, we need more world class players in attack.

Whodathunkiteh?
[/quote]

Go on Ryan, who would you have signed that would have come to us?
[/quote]

I can't believe this argument is still doing the rounds.

 

[spider-Neil]

I see like this;

carroll -
would be a devastating player if we could work the channels and either cross or pull the ball back to him.
i.e. play to his strengths. we simply haven't done that.

henderson -
isn't going to beat a man and then cross (did beckham beat a man before crossing? genuine question).
he needs to be given the ball early and high up the pitch, doesn't strike me as the type of player who will turn a match if things are going tits up.

adam -
imho can't or rather shouldn't play in a midfield two, he simply doesn't have the mobility for it and whilst alonso also didn't have mobility he could sit deep and shield the defense and still hurt teams from that deep position.

that's about 55-60 million right there. that said I think all three can be effective if we can get the balance right.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

[quote author=dmishra link=topic=46909.msg1401654#msg1401654 date=1316416907]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46909.msg1401646#msg1401646 date=1316413371]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46909.msg1401638#msg1401638 date=1316404997]
So in summary, we need more world class players in attack.

Whodathunkiteh?
[/quote]

Go on Ryan, who would you have signed that would have come to us?
[/quote]

I can't believe this argument is still doing the rounds.
[/quote]

The below 4 were linked with us this summer [or we made offers]:

Phil Jones - Where did he end up?
Ashley Young - Where did he end up?
Juan Mata - Where did he end up?
Kun Aguero - Where di he end up?

That's 4 examples I've just given you that should end your idiotic "I can't believe this arguement is doing the round" post ... If you want to use the Suarez example (we got bloody lucky, thankfully) as the reason why we can sign anyone, go ahead. Have a blast.

 

[spider-Neil]

I think we might have been able to secure m'vila if we went for him.
I don't dislike lucas as much as some people but I just don't think he has the mobility and strength to allow us to dominate games away from home. I'm struggling to think of a single game where away from home lucas has stamped his authority on the game.

this signing has little to do with creativity but it would mean the creative players would get the ball earlier (because he would win the ball faster) and would push everyone up the pitch and compress play.

 

[dmishra]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46909.msg1401638#msg1401638 date=1316404997]
So in summary, we need more world class players in attack.

Whodathunkiteh?
[/quote]

That goes without saying. But really that should a secondary person when you're practically building a side from scratch. We have no established partnerships in the centre of the park, either in defence or midfield. You can't think of competing with top sides until you have that. We need to have quality in there if we need to compete, simple as. Lucas and Adam are NOT going to cut it by any stretch of imagination. Neither is a central defensive partnership of and ageing Carra + error prone Skrtel/injury prone Agger.

We've bought Coates for a reason - to be the next great Liverpool centre back - not to compete for a rotation slot in the side. Now, I know next to nothing about him, but I would honestly want him to start playing regularly asap. With Carra. And we need to identify Carra's eventual replacement sometime this season as well.

As for the midfield, we need a quality DM - someone who can help us dominate possession and negate the opposition playmaker completely. AND we need a world class orchestrator in the Alonso mould.

I have no idea where we will find these, but I know Lucas and Adam are not remotely close to being the answer. I've bigged up Shelvey all along, because I think he has terrific potential and possibly the ability to be that game controlling midfielder. Obviously, this is based on little evidence, but I'd like to see him play a lot more. At the very least, we need to be thinking of getting him into the scheme of things, especially now that Adam has been suspended.

I would also want Spearing starting as he's the only natural DM at the club. He's never going to be world class, but he offers a bite and a presence that none of our other central midfielders have. It wasn't a coincidence that we had him starting throughout during our great run in the latter half of last season.

 

[dmishra]

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46909.msg1401656#msg1401656 date=1316417188]
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=46909.msg1401654#msg1401654 date=1316416907]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46909.msg1401646#msg1401646 date=1316413371]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46909.msg1401638#msg1401638 date=1316404997]
So in summary, we need more world class players in attack.

Whodathunkiteh?
[/quote]

Go on Ryan, who would you have signed that would have come to us?
[/quote]

I can't believe this argument is still doing the rounds.
[/quote]

The below 4 were linked with us this summer [or we made offers]:

Phil Jones - Where did he end up?
Ashley Young - Where did he end up?
Juan Mata - Where did he end up?
Kun Aguero - Where di he end up?

That's 4 examples I've just given you that should end your idiotic "I can't believe this arguement is doing the round" post ... If you want to use the Suarez example (we got bloody lucky, thankfully) as the reason why we can sign anyone, go ahead. Have a blast.
[/quote]

I've refuted this argument with examples about a gazillion times during the summer. Oncy made an entire post out of it. I really can't be arsed doing it again.

It's an utterly ridiculous argument. Even assuming for a second you're right, we could have got the quality we bought at half the price we paid for them.

 

[spider-Neil]

as 'meh' as lucas is, he's better than spearing.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

[quote author=dmishra link=topic=46909.msg1401661#msg1401661 date=1316418014]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46909.msg1401656#msg1401656 date=1316417188]
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=46909.msg1401654#msg1401654 date=1316416907]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46909.msg1401646#msg1401646 date=1316413371]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46909.msg1401638#msg1401638 date=1316404997]
So in summary, we need more world class players in attack.

Whodathunkiteh?
[/quote]

Go on Ryan, who would you have signed that would have come to us?
[/quote]

I can't believe this argument is still doing the rounds.
[/quote]

The below 4 were linked with us this summer [or we made offers]:

Phil Jones - Where did he end up?
Ashley Young - Where did he end up?
Juan Mata - Where did he end up?
Kun Aguero - Where di he end up?

That's 4 examples I've just given you that should end your idiotic "I can't believe this arguement is doing the round" post ... If you want to use the Suarez example (we got bloody lucky, thankfully) as the reason why we can sign anyone, go ahead. Have a blast.
[/quote]

I've refuted this argument with examples about a gazillion times during the summer. Oncy made an entire post out of it. I really can't be arsed doing it again.

It's an utterly ridiculous argument. Even assuming for a second you're right, we could have got the quality we bought at half the price we paid for them.
[/quote]

Yes, we overpaid on Downing by a few million. Henderson - I don't know how much he really cost (13 - 17?), but I think 13 is 'going market' for up n' coming England midfielder. 7 million for Adam is fine. 35 for Carroll is ... uuuh ... next.

I don't think it's ridiculous when you're in direct competition with the Mancs/Shitty/Chavs for the same player. If either of those teams had come in for Suarez at the time we did (none of them did), are you 100% certain he'd have come to us? Go on ...

 

[LeTallecWiz]

[quote author=dmishra link=topic=46909.msg1401659#msg1401659 date=1316417861]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46909.msg1401638#msg1401638 date=1316404997]
So in summary, we need more world class players in attack.

Whodathunkiteh?
[/quote]

That goes without saying. But really that should a secondary person when you're practically building a side from scratch. We have no established partnerships in the centre of the park, either in defence or midfield. You can't think of competing with top sides until you have that. We need to have quality in there if we need to compete, simple as. Lucas and Adam are NOT going to cut it by any stretch of imagination. Neither is a central defensive partnership of and ageing Carra + error prone Skrtel/injury prone Agger.

We've bought Coates for a reason - to be the next great Liverpool centre back - not to compete for a rotation slot in the side. Now, I know next to nothing about him, but I would honestly want him to start playing regularly asap. With Carra. And we need to identify Carra's eventual replacement sometime this season as well.

As for the midfield, we need a quality DM - someone who can help us dominate possession and negate the opposition playmaker completely. AND we need a world class orchestrator in the Alonso mould.

I have no idea where we will find these, but I know Lucas and Adam are not remotely close to being the answer. I've bigged up Shelvey all along, because I think he has terrific potential and possibly the ability to be that game controlling midfielder. Obviously, this is based on little evidence, but I'd like to see him play a lot more. At the very least, we need to be thinking of getting him into the scheme of things, especially now that Adam has been suspended.

I would also want Spearing starting as he's the only natural DM at the club. He's never going to be world class, but he offers a bite and a presence that none of our other central midfielders have. It wasn't a coincidence that we had him starting throughout during our great run in the latter half of last season.
[/quote]

It would be gutsy to give Coates more playing time now. I am all for giving young players time, but if Agger is healthy, we need to stick with him and Carra until the team has gelled.

Quality DM - agreed. Not sure we need Alonso type right now, but we should be on the look out for him.

Agree re: Spearing. We need that in the middle - it helped us a lot last year.

 

[spider-Neil]

going back to creativity I would do the following

* move downing to right midfield
* start bellamy on left


you then have two direct players with pace on the flanks one of whom is a goal threat.

downing - gerrard - lucas - bellamy
---------suarez-----carroll

I've including carroll because I still believe he'll come good if given the right service

 

[dmishra]

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46909.msg1401668#msg1401668 date=1316418437]
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=46909.msg1401661#msg1401661 date=1316418014]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46909.msg1401656#msg1401656 date=1316417188]
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=46909.msg1401654#msg1401654 date=1316416907]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46909.msg1401646#msg1401646 date=1316413371]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46909.msg1401638#msg1401638 date=1316404997]
So in summary, we need more world class players in attack.

Whodathunkiteh?
[/quote]

Go on Ryan, who would you have signed that would have come to us?
[/quote]

I can't believe this argument is still doing the rounds.
[/quote]

The below 4 were linked with us this summer [or we made offers]:

Phil Jones - Where did he end up?
Ashley Young - Where did he end up?
Juan Mata - Where did he end up?
Kun Aguero - Where di he end up?

That's 4 examples I've just given you that should end your idiotic "I can't believe this arguement is doing the round" post ... If you want to use the Suarez example (we got bloody lucky, thankfully) as the reason why we can sign anyone, go ahead. Have a blast.
[/quote]

I've refuted this argument with examples about a gazillion times during the summer. Oncy made an entire post out of it. I really can't be arsed doing it again.

It's an utterly ridiculous argument. Even assuming for a second you're right, we could have got the quality we bought at half the price we paid for them.
[/quote]

Yes, we overpaid on Downing by a few million. Henderson - I don't know how much he really cost (13 - 17?), but I think 13 is 'going market' for up n' coming England midfielder. 7 million for Adam is fine. 35 for Carroll is ... uuuh ... next.

I don't think it's ridiculous when you're in direct competition with the Mancs/Shitty/Chavs for the same player. If either of those teams had come in for Suarez at the time we did (none of them did), are you 100% certain he'd have come to us? Go on ...
[/quote]

I agree it may not be ridiculous when you're in direct competition with the Mancs/City/Chelsea for the same player. But why on earth do we have to be in direct competition. The transfer market is all about making shrewd deals, and finding good value. And there is ALWAYS good value to be had, regardless of whether you're a CL club or not.
We didn't get Suarez because we were 'lucky'. We got him because we were shrewd.

And just to give you an idea, here's a list of few players who moved to non-CL clubs this summer:

Lamela
Pjanic
Osvaldo
Vucinic
Elia
Matri
Cazorla
Toulalan
Turan
Falcao
Herrera
Menez
Sissoko
Pastore

Now, I don't know about you, but there a lot of players in there I'd have signed rather than Downing, Henderson or Carroll. I can also do a list of players who moved to CL clubs, but who we certainly could have competed for. There are also LOADS of players who never moved (and play for non-CL clubs) this transfer window, who would probably have been better and cheaper than the signings we made. There are similar (and possibly better) lists for each of the last 5 transfer windows. I'm not going to do that - I'll just borrow Oncy's list for reference.

Dzeko
Silva
Toure
Balotelli
Adebayor
Robinho
Kompany
Elano
Suarez
Johnson
Tevez
Lescott
Defoe
Modric
Bent
Bale
Diego
Melo
Cavani
Casano
Aguero
Ronaldinho
Pato
Iaquinta
Meireles
Mascherano
Diarra
D'Allesandro
Mendieta
Riquelme
Quaresma
Marquez
Davids

I think the point is well established. CL football is only ONE of the reasons players make a move. There are hundreds of reasons, and I'm ready to bet that the reasons below would attract 95% of the world's footballers to us.

1. We're one of the most successful teams of all time in England and Europe
2. We have one of the most iconic stadiums in the world
3. We have the most legendary fans in the world
4. We've had top drawer success in the recent past
5. We've had world class players playing for us ALL throughout our history
6. We still have at least 3 world class players in the squad
7. We're a globally recognised brand
8. We play in possibly the most commercially lucrative, most televised, and arguably the best footballing league in the world
9. We're financially healthy and ambitious having spent more than a 100 million pounds since January
10. We pay higher wages to our players than probably 90% of the clubs in the world
11. We're Liverpool Fucking Football Club

Therefore, if the argument is that we can't attract players of a calibre higher than that of Henderson, Downing and Carroll, then it's utterly stupid, unfounded and downright insulting.

Oh, and as for the money we actually spent - Downing, Carroll and Henderson - 70 million. Anyone who doesn't think we overspent by AT LEAST 30 million on those three needs serious psychiatric help.

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46909.msg1401671#msg1401671 date=1316419040]
going back to creativity I would do the following

* move downing to right midfield
* start bellamy on left


you then have two direct players with pace on the flanks one of whom is a goal threat.

downing - gerrard - lucas - bellamy
---------suarez-----carroll

I've including carroll because I still believe he'll come good if given the right service
[/quote]

I'd just drop Carroll, play Downing in his natural role, put Bellamy inside right with Suarez up top, give Spearing a go in the middle with Gerrard and Adam or Lucas.

------------Spearing--Adam-------------
----------------Gerrard--------------------
---Bellamy----Suarez------Downing---

 

[Whitey85]

If the plan all along was to play with Henderson out wide then we really should have invested that money more wisely in a quality player to play there. Looking at Dmishra's list Cazorla would have been that man drifting in and knitting things together. Oh well.

 

[Fabio]

But carzola went somewhere with fucktons of wages

We couldn't compete

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Pastore, Menez, Cazorla signed for high fees no? and their wages are from the Shitty like clubs in their country.

Falcao would have been a good pick up, but at 40 million euros - that's also a risk.

Dzeko, Silva, Toure, Balotelli, Adebayor, Robinho, Kompany, Elano, Tevez, Lescott (yuck man) - all signed for the richest club in the world that WILL compete for every trophy (and is) and will pay top notch wages. We cannot compete with players that Shitty want, unless they're not motivated by money ...

I doubt either of us want me going over that list, but how we were shrewd with Suarez? What other top club went in for him? If memory serves me well, none. He wanted to leave - and we're still, as you list below - a top club, so he came. But if Shitty or Manure were involved too, do you honestly believe he'd have signed with us?

 

[Hansern]

The players that didnt move to a CL club a the time got in most cases astronomical wages, so you cant use that list Neil.

 

[Delinquent]

[quote author=Modo link=topic=46909.msg1400881#msg1400881 date=1316355856]
[quote author=El Pistolero link=topic=46909.msg1400853#msg1400853 date=1316355552]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=46909.msg1400789#msg1400789 date=1316354564]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=46909.msg1400764#msg1400764 date=1316354179]
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=46909.msg1400737#msg1400737 date=1316353714]
You know who's a good goalscoring/creative midfielder? Steven Naismith at Rangers.

SPL player i know but he's very clinical in front of goal. I like him.
[/quote]

I think I'd actually cry if we bought another no mark British player.
[/quote]

Me too.

I should be gloating, considering all the shit I've taken during the summer. But it's not really the time for that.
We should just buy a creative midfielder in January.
[/quote]

Tell me exactly what you have got to gloat about, Adam is playing as a defensive midfielder ablet shitly but at least he fucking gets stuck in. He's got a goal and a couple of assists. Aqualani is not a fucking defensive midfielder and showed whilst here was a fucking shit swhithouse cunt.
[/quote]

He would have done better than Adam and Henderson though and I've got a lot to gloat about.
But there's no proof for that so it's a nonsense discussion and I don't feel like gloating.

Cahill is playing in a poor team btw Fabio. How did Mertesacker do against Blackburn?
[/quote]

Yeah, Mertesacker is shit. Oh, hang on, he's only just arrived in the Premier League, hasn't he? Playing in an Arsenal team bereft of any confidence and mired by injuries.

Seriously, you become more tedious with each passing day. At least before you sparked a bit of debate, but this shit is just moronic. And the worst part is that you are actually deluded enough to believe that you hold the intellectual high ground. It's laughable.

 

[dmishra]

Hasn't it been a common complaint amongst most forumites that most of our players are on astronomical wages? Oh.

 

[Fabio]

not any more. We've attempted to reduce the wage bill so its manageable. Reducing it by getting rid of the dross and then blasting it up to stupid levels again with some players who MAY turn out good would be risky and counteract what we're trtying to achieve long term of financial stability

 

[LeTallecWiz]

[quote author=dmishra link=topic=46909.msg1401713#msg1401713 date=1316424053]
Hasn't it been a common complaint amongst most forumites that most of our players are on astronomical wages? Oh.
[/quote]

I dunno - You have to pay for most players, but you can do so as a club intelligently (i.e. limit the Degens etc).

Please can you let me know re:

How we were shrewd with Suarez? What other top club went in for him? If memory serves me well, none. He wanted to leave - and we're still, as you list below - a top club, so he came. But if Shitty or Manure were involved too, do you honestly believe he'd have signed with us over those teams?

 

[dmishra]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46909.msg1401684#msg1401684 date=1316421525]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46909.msg1401671#msg1401671 date=1316419040]
going back to creativity I would do the following

* move downing to right midfield
* start bellamy on left


you then have two direct players with pace on the flanks one of whom is a goal threat.

downing - gerrard - lucas - bellamy
---------suarez-----carroll

I've including carroll because I still believe he'll come good if given the right service
[/quote]

I'd just drop Carroll, play Downing in his natural role, put Bellamy inside right with Suarez up top, give Spearing a go in the middle with Gerrard and Adam or Lucas.

------------Spearing--Adam-------------
----------------Gerrard--------------------
---Bellamy----Suarez------Downing---
[/quote]

I'd try something like that too Mark. Rotating between Kuyt, Bellamy and Downing.

Use Carroll sparingly as a Plan B until we figure out how to integrate him into the team.

I think it's a conventional mindset to think of Carroll as a target man who should hold the ball up. It's a dangerous and it's amazing how many managers go purely by physical attributes to find a role for a player. It's almost criminal. Carroll is NOT a back to goal player. Size or physical attributes don't necessarily matter for that role. What really matters is strength, ability on the ball, and superb intelligence. Viduka, Berbatov and even Crouch have it. Carroll doesn't. Neither particularly does Drogba - it's a facet of his game that's grown over the years, but he's nowhere near a natural back to the goal player.

Really, how I envision Carroll's growth is as a face-the-goal battering ram, with strength, power, adequate pace and a thundering left foot. For that however, he really needs to put a shift in the gym. He's not particularly slow and I've seen a good burst of pace in him, but he really needs to get leaner, meaner and quicker. Theoretically, I can see a player with those physical attributes as someone who can lead the line as a face the goal player, provided he has adequate runners (with pace and skill) on the wing forward positions, and top quality playmaking behind him.

It think an appropriate analogy is a players with pace, who regularly get shunned out wide without regard to their ability or mindset/preference. What really maketh a wide player is not the physical attribute of pace, but (i) ability - skill and intelligence on the ball; and (ii) mindset/preference - being a player who likes running 'with' the ball as opposed to a player who likes running 'on' to the ball played in space. A classic example was Babel who had neither the ability or the mindset to play on the wing. And there are scores of examples all over the PL of such player. Probably one of my pet hates, this pigeon holing of players based on physical attributes alone.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

[quote author=dmishra link=topic=46909.msg1401730#msg1401730 date=1316425144]
Really, how I envision Carroll's growth is as a face-the-goal battering ram, with strength, power, adequate pace and a thundering left foot. For that however, he really needs to put a shift in the gym. He's not particularly slow and I've seen a good burst of pace in him, but he really needs to get leaner, meaner and quicker. Theoretically, I can see a player with those physical attributes as someone who can lead the line as a face the goal player, provided he has adequate runners (with pace and skill) on the wing forward positions, and top quality playmaking behind him.

[/quote]

Good analysis sir

 

[dmishra]

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46909.msg1401722#msg1401722 date=1316424467]
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=46909.msg1401713#msg1401713 date=1316424053]
Hasn't it been a common complaint amongst most forumites that most of our players are on astronomical wages? Oh.
[/quote]

I dunno - You have to pay for most players, but you can do so as a club intelligently (i.e. limit the Degens etc).

Please can you let me know re:

How we were shrewd with Suarez? What other top club went in for him? If memory serves me well, none. He wanted to leave - and we're still, as you list below - a top club, so he came. But if Shitty or Manure were involved too, do you honestly believe he'd have signed with us over those teams?

[/quote]

I've already agreed with you there LTW. He might have joined them. That's not relevant. The pool of top quality talent is large enough to avoid having common targets. That's shrewdness. I believe going after Suarez was extremely shrewd because (a) he was a top quality talent; (b) it was January, when most clubs have limited budgets or other spending constraints; and (c) he was embroiled in controversy, and thus making him somewhat of a gamble for teams to take. We did, and it's paid off gloriously thus far.

Your point about having common targets and our ability to attract them obviously has merit. But isn't that then a fundamental flaw policy in our transfer policy? I know there's no way to verify this, but everything seems to suggest that the only pool we actively considered recruiting from this summer was that available in England itself. If true, that's an extremely worrying approach.

 

[dmishra]

[quote author=Fabio link=topic=46909.msg1401715#msg1401715 date=1316424165]
not any more. We've attempted to reduce the wage bill so its manageable. Reducing it by getting rid of the dross and then blasting it up to stupid levels again with some players who MAY turn out good would be risky and counteract what we're trtying to achieve long term of financial stability
[/quote]

Regardless, I'm pretty certain that the wages we offer are more than competitive. Not necessarily with City, but certainly with most other clubs.

 

[Oncy]

Are people justifying spending 100m on Downing, Henderson, Adam, Carroll, Suarez and Enrique by saying we 'couldnt' have got better?

Because that is fucking insane.

Heres the rub:
They were our targets.
We went out and signed who Kenny and Comolli wanted.
Its too early to rip them all to pieces and claim them poor business, as the season is a handful of games old. If thats who they wanted then fine we'll see how it works out.
But dont try and tell me we couldnt have done a MUCH better job since January 28th rebuilding our squad.
Because THAT....is fucking laughable.
Carroll - EVERYONE knows we overpaid
Adam - Half the forum didnt want.
Henderson - EVERYONE said 'Who?'
Downing - Almost NO ONE wanted.
Enrique - Fair enough most thought this was a good idea.
Suarez - Fair enough again.

Meireles - Almost NO ONE wanted him sold.
Aquilani - Half the forum thought he deserved a season of involvement.
Even Cole some posters were saying we'd see the best of this year.

In clearing out the Poulsens, Degens, Koncheskys etc they have done a good job (although we just paid off most of them so its brushing it under the carpet a bit) but in the signings made and some of the players released we have absolutely fucked up.

I was sooooo fucking confident when our creative options were Gerrard, Meireles Aquilani, Suarez, Cole, Maxi ....... Now we have Suarez and Maxi and the latter cant get a fucking game.
It went from being a good year with some questionable targets to a poor year transfer wise and im not going to gloss it over saying who would we get whos better.
Because the list of players better than almost everyone we signed (and paid a HUNDRED million for) is fucking astronomical.

That said. Its been 5 games. We SHOULD have won 4 of them. So the time to go off the deep end isnt here yet.
And once again Id like to point out that we have played ONCE at home since the opening day of the season and away at Spurs, Stoke and Arsenal. United (eg) have played THREE times at home and away to West Brom and Bolton.

 

[Woland]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46909.msg1401741#msg1401741 date=1316425675]
Are people justifying spending 100m on Downing, Henderson, Adam, Carroll, Suarez and Enrique by saying we 'couldnt' have got better?

Because that is fucking insane.

Heres the rub:
They were our targets.
We went out and signed who Kenny and Comolli wanted.
Its too early to rip them all to pieces and claim them poor business, as the season is a handful of games old. If thats who they wanted then fine we'll see how it works out.
But dont try and tell me we couldnt have done a MUCH better job since January 28th rebuilding our squad.
Because THAT....is fucking laughable.
Carroll - EVERYONE knows we overpaid
Adam - Half the forum didnt want.
Henderson - EVERYONE said 'Who?'
Downing - Almost NO ONE wanted.
Enrique - Fair enough most thought this was a good idea.
Suarez - Fair enough again.

Meireles - Almost NO ONE wanted him sold.
Aquilani - Half the forum thought he deserved a season of involvement.
Even Cole some posters were saying we'd see the best of this year.

In clearing out the Poulsens, Degens, Koncheskys etc they have done a good job (although we just paid off most of them so its brushing it under the carpet a bit) but in the signings made and some of the players released we have absolutely fucked up.

I was sooooo fucking confident when our creative options were Gerrard, Meireles Aquilani, Suarez, Cole, Maxi ....... Now we have Suarez and Maxi and the latter cant get a fucking game.
It went from being a good year with some questionable targets to a poor year transfer wise and im not going to gloss it over saying who would we get whos better.
Because the list of players better than almost everyone we signed (and paid a HUNDRED million for) is fucking astronomical.

That said. Its been 5 games. We SHOULD have won 4 of them. So the time to go off the deep end isnt here yet.
And once again Id like to point out that we have played ONCE at home since the opening day of the season and away at Spurs, Stoke and Arsenal. United (eg) have played THREE times at home and away to West Brom and Bolton.
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This is just about it, nailed.

Let's talk about cinema now instead. I went to this cinema of trangression night in Brussels on Thursday. Was pretty excellent. What's that song that you always hear on holiday, classic spanish thing? I didn't realise it was about south american civil war and the writer was a brilliat poet who got killed just after writing it. It goes to the music of 'Score In a Minute, We're Going to Score in a Minute'

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Krump link=topic=46909.msg1401752#msg1401752 date=1316426337]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46909.msg1401741#msg1401741 date=1316425675]
Are people justifying spending 100m on Downing, Henderson, Adam, Carroll, Suarez and Enrique by saying we 'couldnt' have got better?

Because that is fucking insane.

Heres the rub:
They were our targets.
We went out and signed who Kenny and Comolli wanted.
Its too early to rip them all to pieces and claim them poor business, as the season is a handful of games old. If thats who they wanted then fine we'll see how it works out.
But dont try and tell me we couldnt have done a MUCH better job since January 28th rebuilding our squad.
Because THAT....is fucking laughable.
Carroll - EVERYONE knows we overpaid
Adam - Half the forum didnt want.
Henderson - EVERYONE said 'Who?'
Downing - Almost NO ONE wanted.
Enrique - Fair enough most thought this was a good idea.
Suarez - Fair enough again.

Meireles - Almost NO ONE wanted him sold.
Aquilani - Half the forum thought he deserved a season of involvement.
Even Cole some posters were saying we'd see the best of this year.

In clearing out the Poulsens, Degens, Koncheskys etc they have done a good job (although we just paid off most of them so its brushing it under the carpet a bit) but in the signings made and some of the players released we have absolutely fucked up.

I was sooooo fucking confident when our creative options were Gerrard, Meireles Aquilani, Suarez, Cole, Maxi ....... Now we have Suarez and Maxi and the latter cant get a fucking game.
It went from being a good year with some questionable targets to a poor year transfer wise and im not going to gloss it over saying who would we get whos better.
Because the list of players better than almost everyone we signed (and paid a HUNDRED million for) is fucking astronomical.

That said. Its been 5 games. We SHOULD have won 4 of them. So the time to go off the deep end isnt here yet.
And once again Id like to point out that we have played ONCE at home since the opening day of the season and away at Spurs, Stoke and Arsenal. United (eg) have played THREE times at home and away to West Brom and Bolton.
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This is just about it, nailed.

Let's talk about cinema now instead. I went to this cinema of trangression night in Brussels on Thursday. Was pretty excellent. What's that song that you always hear on holiday, classic spanish thing? I didn't realise it was about south american civil war and the writer was a brilliat poet who got killed just after writing it. It goes to the music of 'Score In a Minute, We're Going to Score in a Minute'
[/quote]Jaun tanamera?