Where's the creativity?

[LeTallecWiz]

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Hasn't it been a common complaint amongst most forumites that most of our players are on astronomical wages? Oh.
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I dunno - You have to pay for most players, but you can do so as a club intelligently (i.e. limit the Degens etc).

Please can you let me know re:

How we were shrewd with Suarez? What other top club went in for him? If memory serves me well, none. He wanted to leave - and we're still, as you list below - a top club, so he came. But if Shitty or Manure were involved too, do you honestly believe he'd have signed with us over those teams?

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I've already agreed with you there LTW. He might have joined them. That's not relevant. The pool of top quality talent is large enough to avoid having common targets. That's shrewdness. I believe going after Suarez was extremely shrewd because (a) he was a top quality talent; (b) it was January, when most clubs have limited budgets or other spending constraints; and (c) he was embroiled in controversy, and thus making him somewhat of a gamble for teams to take. We did, and it's paid off gloriously thus far.

Your point about having common targets and our ability to attract them obviously has merit. But isn't that then a fundamental flaw policy in our transfer policy? I know there's no way to verify this, but everything seems to suggest that the only pool we actively considered recruiting from this summer was that available in England itself. If true, that's an extremely worrying approach.
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Well written sir. I'm up for being shrewd ... 🙂

 

[Woland]

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Are people justifying spending 100m on Downing, Henderson, Adam, Carroll, Suarez and Enrique by saying we 'couldnt' have got better?

Because that is fucking insane.

Heres the rub:
They were our targets.
We went out and signed who Kenny and Comolli wanted.
Its too early to rip them all to pieces and claim them poor business, as the season is a handful of games old. If thats who they wanted then fine we'll see how it works out.
But dont try and tell me we couldnt have done a MUCH better job since January 28th rebuilding our squad.
Because THAT....is fucking laughable.
Carroll - EVERYONE knows we overpaid
Adam - Half the forum didnt want.
Henderson - EVERYONE said 'Who?'
Downing - Almost NO ONE wanted.
Enrique - Fair enough most thought this was a good idea.
Suarez - Fair enough again.

Meireles - Almost NO ONE wanted him sold.
Aquilani - Half the forum thought he deserved a season of involvement.
Even Cole some posters were saying we'd see the best of this year.

In clearing out the Poulsens, Degens, Koncheskys etc they have done a good job (although we just paid off most of them so its brushing it under the carpet a bit) but in the signings made and some of the players released we have absolutely fucked up.

I was sooooo fucking confident when our creative options were Gerrard, Meireles Aquilani, Suarez, Cole, Maxi ....... Now we have Suarez and Maxi and the latter cant get a fucking game.
It went from being a good year with some questionable targets to a poor year transfer wise and im not going to gloss it over saying who would we get whos better.
Because the list of players better than almost everyone we signed (and paid a HUNDRED million for) is fucking astronomical.

That said. Its been 5 games. We SHOULD have won 4 of them. So the time to go off the deep end isnt here yet.
And once again Id like to point out that we have played ONCE at home since the opening day of the season and away at Spurs, Stoke and Arsenal. United (eg) have played THREE times at home and away to West Brom and Bolton.
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This is just about it, nailed.

Let's talk about cinema now instead. I went to this cinema of trangression night in Brussels on Thursday. Was pretty excellent. What's that song that you always hear on holiday, classic spanish thing? I didn't realise it was about south american civil war and the writer was a brilliat poet who got killed just after writing it. It goes to the music of 'Score In a Minute, We're Going to Score in a Minute'
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Yeah that's it. Ta. That's me and wiki sorted for a day or two.

 

[Ryan]

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So in summary, we need more world class players in attack.

Whodathunkiteh?
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Go on Ryan, who would you have signed that would have come to us?
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I can't believe this argument is still doing the rounds.
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The below 4 were linked with us this summer [or we made offers]:

Phil Jones - Where did he end up?
Ashley Young - Where did he end up?
Juan Mata - Where did he end up?
Kun Aguero - Where di he end up?

That's 4 examples I've just given you that should end your idiotic "I can't believe this arguement is doing the round" post ... If you want to use the Suarez example (we got bloody lucky, thankfully) as the reason why we can sign anyone, go ahead. Have a blast.
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I've refuted this argument with examples about a gazillion times during the summer. Oncy made an entire post out of it. I really can't be arsed doing it again.

It's an utterly ridiculous argument. Even assuming for a second you're right, we could have got the quality we bought at half the price we paid for them.
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Saved me the fucking bother.

Even if we couldn't list 700 players, what would that do, make the peddling dross we did overpay for look better?

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

Obviously it's folly to suggest we couldn't get players here because we weren't in Europe, but that doesn't mean that it's not more difficult.

Having said that, of course we could have had a better summer, and of course we could have spent better this summer. But that's the case for most teams, most years. Our problem is how far we were expecting to jump, we finished 7th last year. Expecting us to have a perfect summer and get about 30 points more in the league is crazy.

We'll do ok this season, and hopefully get 4th. We'll forget about yesterday in a few days, just like we forgot about getting whalloped by Man City last season. It's hugely ambitious to suggest we'll challenge for the league within the next few years, it's taken City three years to come from where we were to title challengers, and that's with an unlimited budget.

 

[Rosco]

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I think we might have been able to secure m'vila if we went for him.
I don't dislike lucas as much as some people but I just don't think he has the mobility and strength to allow us to dominate games away from home. I'm struggling to think of a single game where away from home lucas has stamped his authority on the game.

this signing has little to do with creativity but it would mean the creative players would get the ball earlier (because he would win the ball faster) and would push everyone up the pitch and compress play.
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Did you just post this shit again ?

It's very fucking simple - if teams press us Lucas folds, the midfield goes to shit and we lose the game and/or resort to hoofing.

It doesn't matter whether it's at Anfield or elsewhere.