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Whelan: Agger's finished in Liverpool

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[quote author=KHL link=topic=42932.msg1224094#msg1224094 date=1290770139]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42932.msg1224090#msg1224090 date=1290769922]
I'm no Hodgson fan and hope he's replaced ASAP.

But it's a bit unfair to slate him for something which an ex-player is saying Hodgson is trying to do.

He's already saying loads of stupid things all by himself anyway.
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Roy has unformally told journalists that Agger no longer is needed and that he will be sold/loaned out. That's not Whelans words but B.T.'s according to their sources whomever they may be.
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Lets be honest KHL

1) you would never ever criticise anything by Agger (actually you can include Bendtner/ any other Danish player there)

2) Newspapers arent that reliable are they? If Hodgson has said this, why ahsnt it broken in the UK press? Did he only tell Danish journalists?

3) What the fuck is it with Danish internationals that they are all gobby jeb-ends? Bendtner gets back from injury, then proclaims himself the second coming and fires a warning shot at Wenger that he refuses to sit on the bench - Agger is injured, Agger manages to *just* get fit, Agger doesnt like the managers style of play so gobs off to anyone that will listen, Agger gets injured.

Give yourselves a fucking clue boys, you get paid good money to take fucking orders.
 
[quote author=grjt link=topic=42932.msg1224117#msg1224117 date=1290772105]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42932.msg1224094#msg1224094 date=1290770139]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42932.msg1224090#msg1224090 date=1290769922]
I'm no Hodgson fan and hope he's replaced ASAP.

But it's a bit unfair to slate him for something which an ex-player is saying Hodgson is trying to do.

He's already saying loads of stupid things all by himself anyway.
[/quote]
Roy has unformally told journalists that Agger no longer is needed and that he will be sold/loaned out. That's not Whelans words but B.T.'s according to their sources whomever they may be.
[/quote]

Lets be honest KHL

1) you would never ever criticise anything by Agger (actually you can include Bendtner/ any other Danish player there)

2) Newspapers arent that reliable are they? If Hodgson has said this, why ahsnt it broken in the UK press? Did he only tell Danish journalists?

3) What the fuck is it with Danish internationals that they are all gobby jeb-ends? Bendtner gets back from injury, then proclaims himself the second coming and fires a warning shot at Wenger that he refuses to sit on the bench - Agger is injured, Agger manages to *just* get fit, Agger doesnt like the managers style of play so gobs off to anyone that will listen, Agger gets injured.

Give yourselves a fucking clue boys, you get paid good money to take fucking orders.
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Agger's of no use whatsoever when he's injured. I'm hoping for him and Liverpool FC that he'll soon get through it all but if he doesn't there's no need keeping him around. However this new injury of his is a freak one and one he's apparently close to get rid of.

My main concern lies with the fact that when fit Roy didn't use him apart from our of position at LB. This has got nothing do with injuries but solely to do with how Roy wants Liverpool FC wants to address the game.

You can want him gone all you want my personal stance here is the same as it is whith regards to similar rumours/stories about Torres and Johnson.

We simply shouldn't sell our best players. And don't give me that wage-bill bollocks. The best players no matter how injured or unlucky will always demand big wages. Agger won the PFA Player of the month award when he was 21-year-old and played for peanuts.

I want Roy gone long before I want Agger gone.
 
[quote author=grjt link=topic=42932.msg1224117#msg1224117 date=1290772105]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42932.msg1224094#msg1224094 date=1290770139]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42932.msg1224090#msg1224090 date=1290769922]
I'm no Hodgson fan and hope he's replaced ASAP.

But it's a bit unfair to slate him for something which an ex-player is saying Hodgson is trying to do.

He's already saying loads of stupid things all by himself anyway.
[/quote]
Roy has unformally told journalists that Agger no longer is needed and that he will be sold/loaned out. That's not Whelans words but B.T.'s according to their sources whomever they may be.
[/quote]

Lets be honest KHL

1) you would never ever criticise anything by Agger (actually you can include Bendtner/ any other Danish player there)

2) Newspapers arent that reliable are they? If Hodgson has said this, why ahsnt it broken in the UK press? Did he only tell Danish journalists?

3) What the fuck is it with Danish internationals that they are all gobby jeb-ends? Bendtner gets back from injury, then proclaims himself the second coming and fires a warning shot at Wenger that he refuses to sit on the bench - Agger is injured, Agger manages to *just* get fit, Agger doesnt like the managers style of play so gobs off to anyone that will listen, Agger gets injured.

Give yourselves a fucking clue boys, you get paid good money to take fucking orders.
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Missed that one.

Roy didn't tell B.T. anything their sources in Liverpool did. It will break in the English press I'm sure and Whelans comments were made directly to B.T.
 
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=42932.msg1224122#msg1224122 date=1290772830]
It would be awful lot easier to replace Agger than it would Torres, or the rest of our best players.
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Torres is more important than Agger.

But no longer than 3 weeks ago people on here were of the opinion we should sell him. Big wages, moany cunt, looks disinterested, whatever.
 
Over 3 million in wages a year, for a player who's averaged about 16 league games a season since he's arrived is too much. He'd have to be one of the best in the world to justify those kind of wages. Seeing as he's got a long contract left, and we have other options available, now is the time to sell him.

And yes, there is the risk that he could overcome his injurys and turn out to be a decent player for another club, but sometimes you just have to take that chance.
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42932.msg1224123#msg1224123 date=1290772841]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=42932.msg1224117#msg1224117 date=1290772105]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42932.msg1224094#msg1224094 date=1290770139]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42932.msg1224090#msg1224090 date=1290769922]
I'm no Hodgson fan and hope he's replaced ASAP.

But it's a bit unfair to slate him for something which an ex-player is saying Hodgson is trying to do.

He's already saying loads of stupid things all by himself anyway.
[/quote]
Roy has unformally told journalists that Agger no longer is needed and that he will be sold/loaned out. That's not Whelans words but B.T.'s according to their sources whomever they may be.
[/quote]

Lets be honest KHL

1) you would never ever criticise anything by Agger (actually you can include Bendtner/ any other Danish player there)

2) Newspapers arent that reliable are they? If Hodgson has said this, why ahsnt it broken in the UK press? Did he only tell Danish journalists?

3) What the fuck is it with Danish internationals that they are all gobby jeb-ends? Bendtner gets back from injury, then proclaims himself the second coming and fires a warning shot at Wenger that he refuses to sit on the bench - Agger is injured, Agger manages to *just* get fit, Agger doesnt like the managers style of play so gobs off to anyone that will listen, Agger gets injured.

Give yourselves a fucking clue boys, you get paid good money to take fucking orders.
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Missed that one.

Roy didn't tell B.T. anything their sources in Liverpool did. It will break in the English press I'm sure and Whelans comments were made directly to B.T.
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Hmmmm,
1. Danish newspaper tells Ronnie Whelan they have "sources" in Liverpool that say Agger is out and would he like to comment,
2. Whelan provides quote saying it doesn't look good which is a shame as he likes the player,
3. Danish newspaper has its story.
 
I know it won't change your opinion, but are you anyway concerned(about your own opinion) about the lack of people who are outraged at the suggestion the Agger might leave?
 
Arsed.

He's always injured, there are no quotes, Whelan is well known to talk shite and if Agger does go anywhere else he'll be a crock for them.

Hang Roy though, obviously.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42932.msg1224130#msg1224130 date=1290774349]
Arsed.

Hes always injured, there are no quotes, whelen is well known to talk shite and if agger does go anywhere else he'll be a crock for them.

Hang Roy though, obviously.
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Hahahaha!
 
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=42932.msg1224128#msg1224128 date=1290773810]
I know it won't change your opinion, but are you anyway concerned(about your own opinion) about the lack of people who are outraged at the suggestion the Agger might leave?
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It doesn't change anything. I know there's loads of Liverpool fans outthere who'd be rather sad to see a player of Agger's caliber leave and especially if it's Roy Hodgson beeing the one freezing him out. Even if there wasn't I'd still be saddened to see him go because he doesn't fit into a manager like Roy's negative approach. He's a top class player with potential to be one of the best in my opinion and I'd never like to see those kind of players leave Liverpool.

Bottomline is unless Agger is beyond repair I'd be very sad to see him leave no matter how many posters on here should think of it as a great move by the gaffer.

There's every chance/risk he'd go on elsewhere and become one of the best defenders in the game. Another Alonso-case if you like.
 
If he does get booted out, you'd have to assume that Commolli and Henry are onboard with the idea, which could mean that regardless of manager Agger is transfer listed.
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42932.msg1224133#msg1224133 date=1290774774]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=42932.msg1224128#msg1224128 date=1290773810]
I know it won't change your opinion, but are you anyway concerned(about your own opinion) about the lack of people who are outraged at the suggestion the Agger might leave?
[/quote]
It doesn't change anything. I know there's loads of Liverpool fans outthere who'd be rather sad to see a player of Agger's caliber leave and especially if it's Roy Hodgson beeing the one freezing him out. Even if there wasn't I'd still be saddened to see him go because he doesn't fit into a manager like Roy's negative approach. He's a top class player with potential to be one of the best in my opinion and I'd never like to see those kind of players leave Liverpool.

Bottomline is unless Agger is beyond repair I'd be very sad to see him leave no matter how many posters on here should think of it as a great move by the gaffer.

There's every chance/risk he'd go on elsewhere and become one of the best defenders in the game. Another Alonso-case if you like.
[/quote]

We should spend millions in wages (without a second thought) on a player who

1) never plays
2) gobs off in the press about the style of football he will/wont play?
 
I think the fact that Kyriakos has come in and been our best centre back for the last while, shows that all of our defenders can be improved on. Obviously I'm not saying ship them all out and keep Kyriakos, but I think we over rate our central defenders at times. Everyone one of them can be improved upon, and the only one I'd be bothered about leaving would be Carra, but I don't think we've anything to worry about there.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42932.msg1224134#msg1224134 date=1290774851]
If he does get booted out, you'd have to assume that Commolli and Henry are onboard with the idea, which could mean that regardless of manager Agger is transfer listed.
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Henry doesn't know zip about football does he? So when Roy whom he apparently has accepted is man for the job tells him what he wants to hear: He's a big wage earner with an attitude, then evidently he'll be right behind him and sell him.

Anyway Agger's injured right now and no matter what I say I can't argue with that. I just don't think it's the right time to sell him especially when knowing this new injury was a freak one that had nothing to do with his otherwise bad record in that department.
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42932.msg1224138#msg1224138 date=1290775222]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42932.msg1224134#msg1224134 date=1290774851]
If he does get booted out, you'd have to assume that Commolli and Henry are onboard with the idea, which could mean that regardless of manager Agger is transfer listed.
[/quote]
Henry doesn't know zip about football does he? So when Roy whom he apparently has accepted is man for the job tells him what he wants to hear: He's a big wage earner with an attitude, then evidently he'll be right behind him and sell him.

Anyway Agger's injured right now and no matter what I say I can't argue with that. I just don't think it's the right time to sell him especially when knowing this new injury was a freak one that had nothing to do with his otherwise bad record in that department.


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What about the Danish propensity for being unable to keep ones trap shut?
 
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=42932.msg1224137#msg1224137 date=1290775192]
I think the fact that Kyriakos has come in and been our best centre back for the last while, shows that all of our defenders can be improved on. Obviously I'm not saying ship them all out and keep Kyriakos, but I think we over rate our central defenders at times. Everyone one of them can be improved upon, and the only one I'd be bothered about leaving would be Carra, but I don't think we've anything to worry about there.
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I've got to be honest, I had high hopes for a Skrtel-Agger partnership for years to come, but as it stands I'd like to see Wilson moved up the pecking order under Carra and The Greek.

Agger is perma-injured with a bad attitude, and Skrtel seems completely unable to use his noggin either mentally or physically.
 
[quote author=grjt link=topic=42932.msg1224135#msg1224135 date=1290774942]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42932.msg1224133#msg1224133 date=1290774774]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=42932.msg1224128#msg1224128 date=1290773810]
I know it won't change your opinion, but are you anyway concerned(about your own opinion) about the lack of people who are outraged at the suggestion the Agger might leave?
[/quote]
It doesn't change anything. I know there's loads of Liverpool fans outthere who'd be rather sad to see a player of Agger's caliber leave and especially if it's Roy Hodgson beeing the one freezing him out. Even if there wasn't I'd still be saddened to see him go because he doesn't fit into a manager like Roy's negative approach. He's a top class player with potential to be one of the best in my opinion and I'd never like to see those kind of players leave Liverpool.

Bottomline is unless Agger is beyond repair I'd be very sad to see him leave no matter how many posters on here should think of it as a great move by the gaffer.

There's every chance/risk he'd go on elsewhere and become one of the best defenders in the game. Another Alonso-case if you like.
[/quote]

We should spend millions in wages (without a second thought) on a player who

1) never plays
2) gobs off in the press about the style of football he will/wont play?

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No. And I'm not going to defend him airing his frustration to the press no matter how much I reckon he was spot on.

He's injured and for now you're right. He's a liability I just believe that the prospect of him beeing injury-free outweighs the arguments about seeling him because of his wages.

Most attacking-minded, younger managers would love to have a player like Agger in their squad and would be hoping for him to get fit in stead of finding a buyer.
 
I quite like Agger and in an ideal world would like to him to stay.

I recall the early talk about Agger's potential leading to expectations of having a Nesta of sorts in our ranks by this time, but if we're honest he's nowhere near that at the moment. The injuries are seemingly neverending and whilst still a good player, he's stagnated and not progressed very much.

If we got a very good defender in his place, we might not end up being overly concerned about having let him go.
 
[quote author=grjt link=topic=42932.msg1224139#msg1224139 date=1290775290]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42932.msg1224138#msg1224138 date=1290775222]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42932.msg1224134#msg1224134 date=1290774851]
If he does get booted out, you'd have to assume that Commolli and Henry are onboard with the idea, which could mean that regardless of manager Agger is transfer listed.
[/quote]
Henry doesn't know zip about football does he? So when Roy whom he apparently has accepted is man for the job tells him what he wants to hear: He's a big wage earner with an attitude, then evidently he'll be right behind him and sell him.

Anyway Agger's injured right now and no matter what I say I can't argue with that. I just don't think it's the right time to sell him especially when knowing this new injury was a freak one that had nothing to do with his otherwise bad record in that department.


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What about the Danish propensity for being unable to keep ones trap shut?
[/quote]
Agger's had one bad interview after a game where he was left very frustrated. It was wrong but seriously what are you on about with these 'bad attitude' accusations?
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42932.msg1224144#msg1224144 date=1290775678]
I quite like Agger and in an ideal world would like to him to stay.

I recall the early talk about Agger's potential leading to expectations of having a Nesta of sorts in our ranks by this time, but if we're honest he's nowhere near that at the moment. The injuries are seemingly neverending and whilst still a good player, he's stagnated and not progressed very much.

If we got a very good defender in his place, we might not end up being overly concerned about having let him go.
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Good post.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42932.msg1224144#msg1224144 date=1290775678]
I quite like Agger and in an ideal world would like to him to stay.

I recall the early talk about Agger's potential leading to expectations of having a Nesta of sorts in our ranks by this time, but if we're honest he's nowhere near that at the moment. The injuries are seemingly neverending and whilst still a good player, he's stagnated and not progressed very much.

If we got a very good defender in his place, we might not end up being overly concerned about having let him go.
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This.

I had huge expectations of Agger's future after the first few matches I saw him play. I thought he was really something special and was sure if we could get a partner in the Hyypiä-mould for him we'd have the best central defense in the world. Even now when there was talk of us being interested in Mertesacker my first thought was he'd be an ideal partner for Agger.

It's a bit sad he'll probably never fulfill those expectations but I'd still very much like to give him a bit more time to show what he's got.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42932.msg1224144#msg1224144 date=1290775678]
I quite like Agger and in an ideal world would like to him to stay.

I recall the early talk about Agger's potential leading to expectations of having a Nesta of sorts in our ranks by this time, but if we're honest he's nowhere near that at the moment. The injuries are seemingly neverending and whilst still a good player, he's stagnated and not progressed very much.

If we got a very good defender in his place, we might not end up being overly concerned about having let him go.
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To be fair too, he's stagnated because of injury, but at the end of the day it's the same result, he's not progressed and at centre back we need to build a partnership, which is impossible currently with Agger because he's in and out the treatment room. There was talk a couple of months ago about him having a career threatening injury anyway which led to us rethinking about selling.

Good player, bags of ability but he's on big wages, never available and in our current situation we desperately need a revamp at the back because what we've got has proven to not be good enough over the last two seasons.
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42932.msg1224138#msg1224138 date=1290775222]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42932.msg1224134#msg1224134 date=1290774851]
If he does get booted out, you'd have to assume that Commolli and Henry are onboard with the idea, which could mean that regardless of manager Agger is transfer listed.
[/quote]
Henry doesn't know zip about football does he? So when Roy whom he apparently has accepted is man for the job tells him what he wants to hear: He's a big wage earner with an attitude, then evidently he'll be right behind him and sell him.

Anyway Agger's injured right now and no matter what I say I can't argue with that. I just don't think it's the right time to sell him especially when knowing this new injury was a freak one that had nothing to do with his otherwise bad record in that department.


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My understanding of his inury was that it was a direct result of his bad injury record. They were worried about calcification of scar tissue weren't they ? Scar tissue builds up as a result of injuries.
 
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=42932.msg1224137#msg1224137 date=1290775192]
I think the fact that Kyriakos has come in and been our best centre back for the last while, shows that all of our defenders can be improved on. Obviously I'm not saying ship them all out and keep Kyriakos, but I think we over rate our central defenders at times. Everyone one of them can be improved upon, and the only one I'd be bothered about leaving would be Carra, but I don't think we've anything to worry about there.
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I think this is pretty much spot on.
Neither Skrtel or Agger are good enough if we want to challenge for the title.
 
[quote author=grjt link=topic=42932.msg1224135#msg1224135 date=1290774942]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42932.msg1224133#msg1224133 date=1290774774]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=42932.msg1224128#msg1224128 date=1290773810]
I know it won't change your opinion, but are you anyway concerned(about your own opinion) about the lack of people who are outraged at the suggestion the Agger might leave?
[/quote]
It doesn't change anything. I know there's loads of Liverpool fans outthere who'd be rather sad to see a player of Agger's caliber leave and especially if it's Roy Hodgson beeing the one freezing him out. Even if there wasn't I'd still be saddened to see him go because he doesn't fit into a manager like Roy's negative approach. He's a top class player with potential to be one of the best in my opinion and I'd never like to see those kind of players leave Liverpool.

Bottomline is unless Agger is beyond repair I'd be very sad to see him leave no matter how many posters on here should think of it as a great move by the gaffer.

There's every chance/risk he'd go on elsewhere and become one of the best defenders in the game. Another Alonso-case if you like.
[/quote]

We should spend millions in wages (without a second thought) on a player who

1) never plays
2) gobs off in the press about the style of football he will/wont play?





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the more people that gob off against our disgraceful style of football the better.
 
Perhaps, but not coming from a broken horse playing 80 odd League games in 5 years earning millions a year.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42932.msg1224174#msg1224174 date=1290779573]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=42932.msg1224135#msg1224135 date=1290774942]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42932.msg1224133#msg1224133 date=1290774774]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=42932.msg1224128#msg1224128 date=1290773810]
I know it won't change your opinion, but are you anyway concerned(about your own opinion) about the lack of people who are outraged at the suggestion the Agger might leave?
[/quote]
It doesn't change anything. I know there's loads of Liverpool fans outthere who'd be rather sad to see a player of Agger's caliber leave and especially if it's Roy Hodgson beeing the one freezing him out. Even if there wasn't I'd still be saddened to see him go because he doesn't fit into a manager like Roy's negative approach. He's a top class player with potential to be one of the best in my opinion and I'd never like to see those kind of players leave Liverpool.

Bottomline is unless Agger is beyond repair I'd be very sad to see him leave no matter how many posters on here should think of it as a great move by the gaffer.

There's every chance/risk he'd go on elsewhere and become one of the best defenders in the game. Another Alonso-case if you like.
[/quote]

We should spend millions in wages (without a second thought) on a player who

1) never plays
2) gobs off in the press about the style of football he will/wont play?





[/quote]

the more people that gob off against our disgraceful style of football the better.
[/quote]

This may well be tongue in cheek, but it really isnt now is it.... I think our club has been in the press for all the wrong reasons enough recently to last us about 10 years.
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42932.msg1224174#msg1224174 date=1290779573]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=42932.msg1224135#msg1224135 date=1290774942]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42932.msg1224133#msg1224133 date=1290774774]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=42932.msg1224128#msg1224128 date=1290773810]
I know it won't change your opinion, but are you anyway concerned(about your own opinion) about the lack of people who are outraged at the suggestion the Agger might leave?
[/quote]
It doesn't change anything. I know there's loads of Liverpool fans outthere who'd be rather sad to see a player of Agger's caliber leave and especially if it's Roy Hodgson beeing the one freezing him out. Even if there wasn't I'd still be saddened to see him go because he doesn't fit into a manager like Roy's negative approach. He's a top class player with potential to be one of the best in my opinion and I'd never like to see those kind of players leave Liverpool.

Bottomline is unless Agger is beyond repair I'd be very sad to see him leave no matter how many posters on here should think of it as a great move by the gaffer.

There's every chance/risk he'd go on elsewhere and become one of the best defenders in the game. Another Alonso-case if you like.
[/quote]

We should spend millions in wages (without a second thought) on a player who

1) never plays
2) gobs off in the press about the style of football he will/wont play?





[/quote]

the more people that gob off against our disgraceful style of football the better.
[/quote]

This may well be tongue in cheek, but it really isnt now is it.... I think our club has been in the press for all the wrong reasons recently to last us about 10 years.
[/quote]

He is being serious.
 
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