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I have to say I have probably over-exaggerated how bad we were in the first half. The second half was a joke though. They shouldn't be disinterested in the league though, they should be aiming to finish as high as possible if not for their own dignity then at least because they're fucking paid to play football. Regarding A and C isn't that what Kenny's job as manager should be answering? If he can't motivate his players to play for him then serious questions need to be asked about his position.

For what it's worth I don't want Kenny to be sacked, but things need to change and I hope he recognises that.

Confidence is probably both up to player, and manager. But I think Kenny has been ok here with some players, and poor with others.

That being said - If he's lost the dressing room, Kenny has to go ...
 
I really don't let it bother me anymore. I don't feel angry or hurt. It's not really that important to me anymore. I feel more sorry for my lad having to grow up watching that shite.
 
I really don't let it bother me anymore. I don't feel angry or hurt. It's not really that important to me anymore. I feel more sorry for my lad having to grow up watching that shite.

What's your secret mate? It's killed my afternoon ... My poor wife and kids have to see an irritated, angry husband/father now ...
 
Confidence is probably both up to player, and manager. But I think Kenny has been ok here with some players, and poor with others.

That being said - If he's lost the dressing room, Kenny has to go ...

but has he lost the dressing room? not even a month ago we were cup winners, so essentially it took 5 games to lose them.
 
I really don't let it bother me anymore. I don't feel angry or hurt. It's not really that important to me anymore. I feel more sorry for my lad having to grow up watching that shite.
What's your secret mate? It's killed my afternoon ... My poor wife and kids have to see an irritated, angry husband/father now ...

If a load of useless cunts are getting paid millions to not try or care, why should I get worked up? It's a game of footy at the end of the day.
 
I really don't let it bother me anymore. I don't feel angry or hurt. It's not really that important to me anymore. I feel more sorry for my lad having to grow up watching that shite.

I'm pretty much the same but my interest in the league was over when we lost to arsenal but had european football secured rather than my being bored with football.
 
what's clear is if we had a chairman as twitchy as the russian, kenny would have walked weeks ago.
If it was any other manager at any other club not just a Russian owned club he would of gone. The biggest problem when we appointed Dalglish was Dalglish. The owners would be petrified to act and the fans would have to much vested in Kenny to hurt the one they love.

I'm sorry but the The Liverpool Way as we knew it (and i hate to say this)has no place inmodern football. The amount of money invested and the pace at which teams improve means you simply can't allow afford to stand still for 2 seasons to see if a manager can sort his previous mistakes.
 
but has he lost the dressing room? not even a month ago we were cup winners, so essentially it took 5 games to lose them.
Not a single one of those players signed with us to win the Carling Cup.
 
Just think it was only a few seasons ago we were competing in the league and Europe.

Careful what you wish for......

A few season ago we pissed off at loosing to Lyon and Fiorentina, now the forum is at breaking point after loosing to QPR, Wigan and Newcastle.
 
What is a new manager going to do ?

Buy a striker in January when we so desperately needed one? Not drop one of your strikers when he's playing himself into form? Not play one up front at Anfield against Wigan? Not put a left back into central defence when you've got a central defender playing at right back? Not buy shite players?
 
That's very laughable Le Chacal

Is it ?

This goes back to what I said last week, process v. results.

People judge Rafa as a tactical genius because of the CL win. If we'd lost a penalty shoot out you wouldn't have anything to back up the assertion - and to insist he's a tactical genius is to ignore the fact that his genius tactics had us three down in the Final. It was forced decision making that rectified things. On the flip side if Chelsea had won a penalty shoot out Avram Grant would have won them a CL, something the best manager in the world ever never managed to do at Chelsea.

Literally the only difference between then and now is Steven Gerrard wasn't completely fucking shite back in 2005. People have no idea how to rate managers, mainly because you don't take into account all of the relevant factors. They assume that if a club does well it's because the manager is doing really well - which is quite often simply not the case.

It's just lose a game - manager got his tactics wrong. Won - manager got it right. Simplistic bollocks which is typical of football.

Tactics is just like card counting in poker, it marginally shifts the odds in your favour but more often than not the best hand is still going to win. We should be focusing on putting together the best hand that we can, not marginal bollocks like tactics.
 
Is it ?

This goes back to what I said last week, process v. results.

People judge Rafa as a tactical genius because of the CL win. If we'd lost a penalty shoot out you wouldn't have anything to back up the assertion - and to insist he's a tactical genius is to ignore the fact that his genius tactics had us three down in the Final. It was forced decision making that rectified things. On the flip side if Chelsea had won a penalty shoot out Avram Grant would have won them a CL, something the best manager in the world ever never managed to do at Chelsea.

Literally the only difference between then and now is Steven Gerrard wasn't completely fucking shite back in 2005. People have no idea how to rate managers, mainly because you don't take into account all of the relevant factors. They assume that if a club does well it's because the manager is doing really well - which is quite often simply not the case.

It's just lose a game - manager got his tactics wrong. Won - manager got it right. Simplistic bollocks which is typical of football.

Tactics is just like card counting in poker, it marginally shifts the odds in your favour but more often than not the best hand is still going to win. We should be focusing on putting together the best hand that we can, not marginal bollocks like tactics.

Eh?

City seem to have pretty good deck of cards, never mind a good hand.

What they don't appear to have, is great tactics?
 
Buy a striker in January when we so desperately needed one? Not drop one of your strikers when he's playing himself into form? Not play one up front at Anfield against Wigan? Not put a left back into central defence when you've got a central defender playing at right back? Not buy shite players?
I thought there was an interview with Damien that said the targets weren't available or those that were weren't good enough? So they didn't buy in January and wate money?
 
I thought there was an interview with Damien that said the targets weren't available or those that were weren't good enough? So they didn't buy in January and wate money?
Whatever way you look at it, we left ourselves seriously short of strikers and he regularly dropped one of the two we did have.
 
If we'd lost a penalty shoot out you wouldn't have anything to back up the assertion - and to insist he's a tactical genius is to ignore the fact that his genius tactics had us three down in the Final. It was forced decision making that rectified things. On the flip side if Chelsea had won a penalty shoot out Avram Grant would have won them a CL, something the best manager in the world ever never managed to do at Chelsea.

Don't agree with this at all. Getting that team to the final was genius irrespective if we had won our lost. Doing it again, with a much modified team was also genius. Also the implication and mantra that trophies are the only thing that counts is also garbage.
 
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