I've just taken these screen shots - look at Karius' positioning - he only just missed the ball and if positioned correctly he would have saved it.
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I thought so too but check the replays on here, from about 2 mins in. https://www.whufc.com/news/articles...uary/highlights-liverpool-4-1-west-ham-united
Yes it was inch perfect, it was virtually the only place he could have scored from .... which goes to emphasise that had Karius not been outside his near post he could have easily saved it (he only missed it by inches as it was).
It’s hard to fault the keeper when it’s that well placed in the far corner.
The people criticizing him today are probably the ones who say you should never get beaten at your near post either.
The people criticizing him today are probably the ones who say you should never get beaten at your near post either.
A keeper can rarely have 100% correct positioning - he gave Antonio a target, far bottom corner or nothing. He hit it. I think it was the right call to try and ensure the near post was totally covered.
Keepers get done over in these days of super slow mo. Karius had a great game and Antonio scored a great goal.
Keepers get done over in these days of super slow mo. Karius had a great game and Antonio scored a great goal.
Milner's past two performances have thrown a spanner into the works of 'Milner shouldn't be played in the CM' - it appears to have taken him a few goes to adjust but I think he has been immense in his last few runs out. His CM appearances in the CL have always been good but in the PL he had struggled to convert. This is great news for our squad and rotation policy.
He put his foot in for sure.... 😀
He can't do it game in game out imo though.
It's a very demanding position & despite him being in outstanding shape he's not a young player anymore.
I said a few weeks ago I can see him being a champions league specialist towards the end of the season, but I'd like to amend that to say he may well also play against sides where they will sit back & try to defend all game cos its less demanding & he has more time & space.
I highly doubt he'll play as often when we go back to three games in a week.
All that said, he's a helluva asset to have during rotation in that period when he's playing like he has been.
@gene hughes - some will not be satisfied until Karius is a broken man. Such is the obsession with goalkeepers with some of our folk that I sometimes wonder if on signing them they should be put into the Big Brother house - to satisfy the thirst and hunger some have - they can monitor the keepers every action in life - from the way actually shits and pisses to the way he makes love to his spouse.
Just on that point, read this article earlier...from Neil Atkinson on the Anfield Wrap. Really good piece.
Liverpool 4 West Ham United 1: Match Review
24 February 2018 6:17 pm by Neil Atkinson
WATCHING this Liverpool side step it up should take your breath away and we should have been left breathless at the start of the second half.
Should. I’m worried a little bit. Worried we are taking for granted how good this side is, treating emphatic wins and performances as routine. We aren’t enjoying this as much as we should.
That isn’t unreasonable — in one sense we are making it the routine, the norm. But that shouldn’t be greeted as such or taken lightly. To put it in context in 2011-12 we only scored four against top-flight opposition once. That was against a Chelsea side that was still drunk from beating us in the FA Cup final.
We have gone entire seasons without seeing this type of performance or seeing it rarely. Even think back one season — this time last campaign Liverpool were grinding results, especially at Anfield. Indeed, the last game of last February saw The Reds be swatted aside by Leicester City.
Results are results. Results count for everything especially as February becomes March. But the quality and the style should count for something. And Liverpool’s quality in the second half was tremendous. A game went from a little bit stodgy to a red touch paper lit.
It started by being first to everything in the middle of the park and West Ham United were suddenly pushed back and panicked. Their back five with four in front suddenly looked about six players short of what was required. Everywhere were Liverpool, everything was red. It must have verged on disorientating for West Ham, they were dizzy, their heads were spinning. Like a whirlpool, it never ends. And it was those Reds making them spin.
Liverpool won it back, turned them around and squeezed them. Pace and accuracy through the middle of the pitch, the ball arrowing forward to the front three. The second half came alive as Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain did. He reflected the increase in Liverpool’s quality and did his best work vertically. Through the whole 90 though, the outstanding Liverpudlian performer was James Milner.
He spent the first half getting walloped and kept coming back but he is in the best possible shape in these games, a combination of brain and brawn. He thought his way through the contest and put himself on the line. He won about 10 tackles through the game, battering into West Ham at every opportunity.
Emre Can looked to play the ball quicker and was enjoying himself, if a bit too much, but we shouldn’t be churlish, scoring the opener and setting up the third always helps. That it was a better contest than expected helped too. The game never felt dead and shorn of tempo. That West Ham had Marko Arnautovic helped Liverpool, in that he played well enough to offer West Ham some (false) hope. First half especially he gave Joel Matip a torrid time and was brilliantly denied by Loris Karius.
But again, the front three all scored and all did so with aplomb. Almost more impressively though, all three missed excellent chances. The game can summed up by that fact — Liverpool scored four. They hit the post. They missed a number of other serviceable chances against a David Moyes side playing 5-4-1.
Will sides be able to frustrate Liverpool this season? Undoubtedly. But should we talk of ourselves as easy to frustrate and contain? At some point we need to acknowledge this problem is no more Liverpool’s than any other side bar the runaway leaders.
This is a very good Liverpool team. It’s alright to say that and it should be screamed from the rooftops. Across the board, this is a side which is worthy of significant respect, but more than that worthy of applause and love. It has made the sublime routine. There is little greater praise and, as a team, that praise, that reality shouldn’t lead to it proving faintly, oddly damned.
He was badly positioned. There's no argument or debate to be had.
I really hope our goalie is not worrying still over a goal against which happened more than a month ago. Antonio was played clear and he moved to deal with it. Nice finish and a good goal.
Agreed, we've got to be honest with ourselves here though, he's in a good moment, but he's not a top top keeper and this kind of thing will effect him like this. We need someone at the top of their game in the summer, regardless of how much I've warmed to Karius the last month.
That is besides the point though Gene. Was he or wasn't he poorly positioned - as I've shown he quite clearly was and I'm sure this is something Achterberg will be pointing out to him too when they review the goal. Simply put a keeper should never be outside his near post presenting a larger target than is necessary, I don't think an experienced keeper ever would be but Karius is still young and learning and so will improve, that however doesn't exclude him for being a contributory factor to conceding that goal, however harsh it may sound.
Fact is one metre, or maybe even one foot, to his right would have presented no target to his left and he'd likely have saved the shot to his right - something that a better or more experienced keeper would likely have done and that, although not critical in this match, could well prove the difference between winning or losing in a more important and tighter encounter. All errors need to be assessed not just those that are obvious or committed in more high profile matches.
And extending this criticism by introducing statements (being beaten at the near post) that weren't mentioned and are superfluous to the discussion as some sort of 'support', as if I'd said anything of the kind (which I clearly hadn't) is mere deflection/misdirection.
I'm very pleased with the way Karius has improved since his return, his distribution is excellent and he seems far more confident, long may it continue.
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But saving certain goals is not critcism. That's praise and we are not in that business. So back to focusing on the conceded goal.
No keeper should be beaten on his near post (look at De Gea's reaction yesterday after Willian did him) so it's natural to cover that area but he did overdo it and if Achterburg is any good at all as a coach he should be working on his positioning this morning.
But that was a wonderful save from Arnautovic, there is no chance that Mignolet would have reached that ball.
But that was a wonderful save from Arnautovic, there is no chance that Mignolet would have reached that ball.
One situation doesn't create a pattern. He hasn't put a foot much wrong the last few weeks. I mean, they could have a look and discuss it, but start working on a thing that happens once seem like hysteric overreaction.
To use an example, when boxing the the ball to Wanayama it was probably not the best area to get the ball. Then discuss the situation and move on. Clearly every situation will live its own life. If, when next cross comes, the focus is "where to clear it" instead of "just Clear it" I think you will end up in creating a lot of interesting situations. It is not stupid players we talk about, these perform on high level. The game is fast, and something have to be dealt With there and then. Will mistakes still happen? Sure.
But it's not so hard to simply say, 'he played very well. could have positioned himself better for the goal though', rather than completely turn a blind eye is it?
By the same token, shall we ignore his glorious save because on another occasion it might have gone in? I think Froggy's being pretty objective here.
It's not beyond the realms of possibility to imagine they've been working on his near post vulnerabilities, esp considering Mignolet was known for conceding them & opposition doubtless targetted it as a weakness.
As such he's probably just trying to overcompensate by protecting his near post a bit too much.
If it happens repeatedly I'll worry, otherwise, I'll focus on the two cracking saves he made & the rest of his good play.
Fuck, we saw De Gea make a couple of bad mistakes yesterday, all keepers do, he's clearly got the number one spot for the rest of the season, so we'll have plenty of time to see just how good he is.
As such he's probably just trying to overcompensate by protecting his near post a bit too much.
If it happens repeatedly I'll worry, otherwise, I'll focus on the two cracking saves he made & the rest of his good play.
Fuck, we saw De Gea make a couple of bad mistakes yesterday, all keepers do, he's clearly got the number one spot for the rest of the season, so we'll have plenty of time to see just how good he is.
So we all agree - he was badly positioned for the goal. But maybe it's because all keepers make mistakes sometimes. Froggy and others (me) are concerned this represents a pattern, but it may not. Overall, we all agree, in unison, he's improved and we feel a smidgen more comfortable with him back there (unbelievably)
Great - now, let's solve the US gun problem
Great - now, let's solve the US gun problem
I'd like to see the angle from behind Antonio...to see how much of a problem this was.
The angles posted here does make it look like it was indeed bad positioning.
The angles posted here does make it look like it was indeed bad positioning.
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