Whereas Klopp's experience and pedigree is really shining through with our repeated mistakes. This is all a bit selective. Rodgers' errors were down to inexperience, Klopp's are down to investment. Have a look at their respective spending.
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Whereas Klopp's experience and pedigree is really shining through with our repeated mistakes. This is all a bit selective. Rodgers' errors were down to inexperience, Klopp's are down to investment. Have a look at their respective spending.
No I'm not, it was an "in joke" between me and Redninja, to paraphrase something he said a few years ago. So here's an idea, why don't you stop sticking your oar into stuff you clearly don't know the background to.
As I said, as you've conveniently ignored, if Klopp fails this season, he deserves next season to put it right. I'm not sure why you're finding that so fucking difficult to comprehend.
So, we’re sitting 4th in the League with close contact to 2nd and 3rd and we’re through to the knock out stages in the CL.
Were we havent been for about 10 years now and we’ve been on an 18 match unbeaten run.
But we’ve regressed this season?!
Fucking hell, talk about glass half empty.
Were we havent been for about 10 years now and we’ve been on an 18 match unbeaten run.
But we’ve regressed this season?!
Fucking hell, talk about glass half empty.
Have we progressed defensively? Think about this carefully, we've just conceded 7 goals in 3 games. I'm sure you'll put some glass half full spin on it, but hey, give it a go.
What? His plan was to replace Suarez one full season after our star striker left?
And if not Balo, (to use a well trodden SCM pece of rhetoric) was there no other player he could have gotten? If he had no choice but to work with Balo, then he really didnt have a plan besides Sanchez did he? And lets be clear, Sanchez was a pipedream, he had already indicated he would go to London for some time.
I'm sure you've probably read about it, but you're being a bit selective (shock). He tried to get a couple of players and the much documented transfer committee (the ones who tended to get the credit for the good signings, while Rodgers got the blame for the dross), came up with the idea. He spoke to Gerrard about it and said he was prepared to give it a go. Gerrard was understandably perplexed. Rodgers actual chosen replacement was Benteke, who failed anyway.
Well, I stand corrected then you fucking twat, for not knowing that a post on an open forum was meant for one other poster's eyes only and no other. You really are a fucking child.
If Klopp were a poster on this forum, you'd probably spontaneously combust from the effort of stalking Modo, Macca and him all at once.
Well, 29 goals in 24 games isnt half bad considering 9 of those goals are from 2 games. I’d like us to be more defensively sound, but we have progressed in total, thats pretty obvious and what matters.
We need a new GK and midfield reinforcwments before that defensive record is even better.
Why look at 3 games isolated anyway....
Compared to last season its the same, 29 in 24 but this season we’ve played midweek CL matches as well.
Regressed? No. Can it improve? Obviously and it has to.
If we finish 4th and win nothing, it's consolidating last season. Staying in the CL attracts players, so to some degree it's the minimum requirement on the back of last season but at the same time, essential. I'm not sure I'd call it actual "progress" but stability and continuity.
Ideally on the back of last season, we'd finish in the top four and progress by winning a cup or at least getting close. As someone said in the match thread, this trend of being casually dismissive, when it comes to crashing out of cups, is worrying. We lived and breathed success once, now it seems that people are content to finish 4th. It's Arsenal mentality.
You're proper obsessed with Brendan. You make me look like a casual fan.
Consolidated 4th place would be a welcome achievement this season. It would make us more attractive option than spurs or arsenal should they miss out.
Next season we need a better cup run.
Next season we need a better cup run.
Not happy with finishing 4th but its nearly a must if we are to progress as a club.
Its not long ago we were 6,8 etc.
We’ve qualified for the knock out stages of the CL, thats progress.
A 4th round cup exit is poor though. A good cup run was expected.
I'd take that now, the way the season has unfolded. I wouldn't call it progress, but like I said, it's continuity and stability, something we've lacked for years.
The positives (some people here are going to hate this since we are LFC and should be expecting to win cups - even though we haven't for about 12 years) :
Fewer matches. With probably the weakest squad of the Top 6 this could be a vital factor for both our potential CL run and finishing 4th (and before anyone starts - yes, it is vital we finish Top 4, both financially and to continue to attract top players such as Keita, Salah, VvD and Mane).
Maybe, maybe, it will spur the club (Klopp) into buying a player or two before the transfer deadline. Maybe. We desperately need more midfield support .. should have just paid RBL whatever they wanted (I believe I read that was an option right ?) to get Keita in early. I'd be happy with Allison + a strong midfielder.
Hopefully that will consign Moreno permanently to the bench.
See Ings get some more game-time, I thought he did OK when he came on with an impossible task before him.
Hopefully see Can get less and less gametime, he was shite again.
Fewer matches. With probably the weakest squad of the Top 6 this could be a vital factor for both our potential CL run and finishing 4th (and before anyone starts - yes, it is vital we finish Top 4, both financially and to continue to attract top players such as Keita, Salah, VvD and Mane).
Maybe, maybe, it will spur the club (Klopp) into buying a player or two before the transfer deadline. Maybe. We desperately need more midfield support .. should have just paid RBL whatever they wanted (I believe I read that was an option right ?) to get Keita in early. I'd be happy with Allison + a strong midfielder.
Hopefully that will consign Moreno permanently to the bench.
See Ings get some more game-time, I thought he did OK when he came on with an impossible task before him.
Hopefully see Can get less and less gametime, he was shite again.
Confusingly, he seems to be rather occupied with me *and* Brendan Rodgers, given he's used the name Brendan in several posts, but apparently the last one was about me, not the ex-manager.
Maybe he doesn't like the name Brendan
Am I upsetting you Steve? Obviously. Please don’t let it. Put the Spider-Man trilogy on there and play with your R2D2.
It is all about the trend, isn't it? We were looking good before the transfer window, decently positioned to compete for two cups, and we have shot ourselves in the foot. The two teams above us have strengthened significantly.
Lot of things to be positive about our club - our scouting has improved, our manager and background team are on the same page, there seems to be a vision. We are making progress.
But at the same time, we seem to be too "casual" (if that is the right word) in terms of trying to win stuff. Slow progress does not help. We have at maximum one more season to convince Salah to remain here.
Klopp should also try to stop being too naive in some aspects. I admire his commitment to coaching and improving players but he should put his focus on the right players. Moreno should have been shot from a cannon out of Anfield after his Norwich display two years ago. I also think FSG minions find it convenient to hide behind Klopp's desire to coach and improve players. Do you think if Klopp was at Bayern Munich and Moreno had put in such a display against Schalke two years ago, he would still be trying to improve his positioning now? Especially, since I am fairly confident that if Moreno puts in half a season of competent performance, he will start fluttering his eyelashes at Barca/Real. Do you think Klopp would be trying to get a tune out of Mignolet and Karius for one and half season at Bayern?
I am not throwing toys out of the pram because we are not competing financially with City or Utd. But I am unable to wrap my head around this transfer window. We might have still lost the last two games with Coutinho but why did we weaken our squad? Our squad doesn't have the experience or habit of winning. Unless we get into the mentality, we are not going to win stuff.
King Kenny's transfers were horrendous but he had the right idea. We try to win now and not at a mythical future date when all value for money signings will assemble with synchronicity in their form and developments. Each time FSG minions and our management decided to "throw away or compromise a season" and postpone their ambitions of winning to the next season, they should reduce the ticket prices and subsidize the expenses of the match going fans for that season from their salary.
Excellent post.
As people familiar with American sports would be aware, there's an expression for such a phase - treadmilling.
There are the lower treadmillers - teams who're content with just fighting for the 8th spot in the playoffs every year. That would be us this decade - just content in trying to get top 4, but generally ending 5th-8th.
Then there are the upper treadmillers - teams who make the playoffs every year, but don't ever make it pass the 2nd round. The Clippers with Paul/Griffin/Jordan were the prime example of this.
We seem to have made the transition under Klopp from lower treadmillers to upper treadmillers with the hope that maybe 2 years from now, all the chips will fall in place, and we'll win the title. Unfortunately, that only works in a league where you have only 1-2 teams competing for the title. It's reasonable then to expect the other teams to falter in a particular season, where you can capitalise.
The PL today is just far too competitive for that. It's exactly why I don't even foresee any dynasties for City, United or Chelsea.
The league will be won by the top 6 team which shows the maximum ambition in that particular season.
We've shown we're a top 4 team. We need to quit fooling around, and start trying to win now. That means pulling all the stops in the transfer market.
Not sure I like or even agree with the use of glib American comparisons, or made-up words like 'treadmilling' but the latter points are very accurate and I don't know why it isn't obvious to everyone.
We seem to have quite a few fans who quack loudly from a great distance about The Liverpool Way, and Klopp building a team that is always just one more year away from glory. We saw it with Rodgers, and we saw it last season, where at Xmas, the Halfwit Chorus was singing loudly about the defence being fixed and we didn't need another striker, and maybe Mignolet was unfairly castigated and blah fucking blah.
And now it's fine we sold Coutinho, and we don't need to replace him and Klopp won't settle for second best or anyone who isn't his 'top target' (despite facts)
But you're right. Dynasties are simply about which club has the most money and spends it on the best players. Now.
Players who can win games. Now.
Not fucking mediocre talents who play one good game in four, and when that happens it's all 'Klopp's made him a world beater' and then they're shit again for three games.
But it isn't complicated, or hard to work out, but for the slower kids in the class, I'll make it as simple as possible, and hopefully we can move on. Sound good? Are we ready? *drum roll*
We don't spend enough money on players and most of the ones we have aren't good enough and never will be.
Great post mate. Hard to disagree with anything there really. But the only top team that have strenghtened so far is Utd with Sanchez. Chelsea have bought Barkley, Arsenal lost Sanchez but have gotten Mhikitarian, Spurs havent bought anyone yet and neither have City. We have added Van Dijk but obviously lost Coutinho.
Maybe we should pay a premium to get Lemar this window. We did try for Keita.
Next couple of days will be interesting.
"City haven't strengthened yet"
Hahahahahahaha!
FOR. FUCK'S. SAKE.
Hahahahahahaha!
FOR. FUCK'S. SAKE.
Haven't City bought this mythical French Iberian defender who dribbles like Messi, passes like Xabi, defends like Carra, and heads like Hyppia for 70 million?
Again I would like to emphasize that I am not crying because we are not competing with Utd and City in the transfer market. We have some obvious flaws in our squad which could be addressed with some aggression in the transfer market within our budget.
Simon Mignolet has played 202 games for our club. That is at least 152 games more than what he should have played. The goalkeeping issue should have been fixed and we are still paying the price for having two clowns in goal. We could have had atleast 3-6 points more with a competent goalkeeper.
By the way, he got a new contract soon after he did this:
If we offered him a new contract despite that and all the other evidence in front of us, then there is only one conclusion to be made "We're dickheads".
Btw @Hansern, I know you get a lot of heat from other posters for your constant positivity 🙂, but I do admire that. While I do a disagree with a number of your posts, I wish I could be as positive as you, but I am unable to 😉
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This cheered me up anyway
Surprised he didn't injure his back.. [emoji849]
Surprised he didn't injure his back.. [emoji849]
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