WBA Post Match Thread

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Interesting in what way? It's a lot more predictable than it is interesting.

If he pulls that stunt two years into his reign - after we've drawn with WBA and sit ninth - a reaction such as the one he's getting would be interesting. As it is, it's pretty much par for the course and not all that interesting....erm....at all. In my view, anyway.

I think he's being shown remarkable levels of goodwill. Let's put it another way, say Moyes or LvG had done this three months into their reigns at OT...what would our reaction as outsiders have been? Or if Hodgson had done this a dozen or so games into his tenure at Anfield? We'd have laughed at the former two and despaired at the latter.

 

[Spionkop69]

Dear Jurgen,

Please stop playing the statue up front. His lack of pressing is clearly highly contagious to others. Plus, one of his main jobs is to meet the crosses that eventually get put in. Except he either misses them, jumps too early, or bizarrely, is one of the corners of the penalty area instead of on the penalty spot.

Kindest regards etc etc.

 

[peterhague]

I think he's being shown remarkable levels of goodwill. Let's put it another way, say Moyes or LvG had done this three months into their reigns at OT...what would our reaction as outsiders have been? Or if Hodgson had done this a dozen or so games into his tenure at Anfield? We'd have laughed at the former two and despaired at the latter.

I think most people place it into the bigger context of him being brave enough to tackle the issue of the bad atmosphere head on. It's a difficult thing to do so so more power to him for trying. That and the obvious point that he has the charisma to carry off these bold gestures.

Is it really so puzzling that you can't imagine someone laughable like Rodgers or someone pathetic like Hodgson being unable to perform the same trick?

 

[Red Mullet]

I think he's being shown remarkable levels of goodwill. Let's put it another way, say Moyes or LvG had done this three months into their reigns at OT...what would our reaction as outsiders have been? Or if Hodgson had done this a dozen or so games into his tenure at Anfield? We'd have laughed at the former two and despaired at the latter.

The difference is that we know it'll be uncharacteristic for Moyes, LvG or Hodgson to do this so it'll feel forced. It kinda felt natural with Klopp, especially since he was pretty much egging the crowd on during the game.

 

[Hansern]

And who cares what other fans, people, managers or clubs think about Klopp and our players thanking the fans. Fuck'em

 

[FoxForceFive]

And who cares what other fans, people, managers or clubs think about Klopp and our players thanking the fans. Fuck'em

It's better if they hate us anyway. I like that us against the world mentality.

As long as the hate isn't cos we're being fucking cunts (eg Chelsea) then it's a good thing.

 

[gkmacca]

Yeah.

That along with a toothless attack and a shaky defence.

Which looked okay against Chelsea and Man City.

 

[gkmacca]

It's only terrible and rude when Wenger and Mourinho don't shake hands with opposition managers

Practically every time they lose. Wait and see, so it is. Amazing that some are actually offended for that massive tit Pulis.

 

[Fabio]

If klopp makes a habit of it then yeah, bad forum. But it's a non issue until then

 

[Jack D Rips]

I'm getting tired of Klopp's tedious mantra about this squad: "I don't need any players, I have said when I joined and I say it now"

Yes you fucking do. We're 9th. Watford, Leicester, West Ham and fucking Palace are above us, and you've just drawn with West Brom at home.

And despite your protestations Mignolet's fucking shit

But he picked the team that you picked didn't he?

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manwithnonameBravo old man. Bravo.Member

It's great to see a Liverpool manager finally listen to me and select the team I wanted. I said Firmino, Allen and Lucas shouldn't start, and at LAST! I love you Klopp

He does - correctly - react to shit displays and the absence of those three proves that​

 

[kingjulian]

Hmm...Pulis' teams have always been very physical.

If we go in with the like Lucas, Allen and Firmino in his current form....we would have got totally bullied out of the game...like Newcastle did.

Good to see Klopp react and drop the three.

For one we were not bullied out of open play. But our setplay defending is still deplorable. Ming takes a large portion of the blame....he has always asked too much from his defenders here, and so farthe big guys defending corners and free kicks have not been able to deliver.

 

[Mystic]

That along with a toothless attack.

Suarez isn't coming back, move on.

 

[rurikbird]

Anfield has been dead and quiet since the 13/14 season. The one game where Klopp feel connected and the atmosphere is back like it should be - and he makes the players thank the fans. Which is normal in the Bundesliga, even when you dont win.
Cause in the end its all about the fans.
And they were great today.

Yet some find it cringeworthy and strange.
I give up.
Klopp has to change the mentality of the players, club and the fans.
He's doing it. Stop being whiny bastards

A-fucking-men to that.

 

[Oliver Twist]

Suarez isn't coming back, move on.

Ha.

I said toothless attack, not toothy attack.

 

[keniget]

Manwithnoname wrote a good post on Klopp not being a miracle worker with the gist being (I presume) us needing a dose of reality in another thread. Hopefully he doesn't take that and warp into some long running Ross style battle.

 

[Rosco]

Yeah, we cant have any sense invading peoples thinking .

Yay for magic

 

[Modo]

But he picked the team that you picked didn't he?

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manwithnonameBravo old man. Bravo.Member

It's great to see a Liverpool manager finally listen to me and select the team I wanted. I said Firmino, Allen and Lucas shouldn't start, and at LAST! I love you Klopp

He does - correctly - react to shit displays and the absence of those three proves that​

Everyone's an expert...

 

[manwithnoname]

But he picked the team that you picked didn't he?

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manwithnonameBravo old man. Bravo.Member

It's great to see a Liverpool manager finally listen to me and select the team I wanted. I said Firmino, Allen and Lucas shouldn't start, and at LAST! I love you Klopp

He does - correctly - react to shit displays and the absence of those three proves that​

I don't know what this has to do with anything. He picked the best available players, like I did.

That doesn't mean that at least three of those starting players shouldn't be in the starting XI. Which is my point. We need a new goalkeeper, another CB, another CM and another attacking midfielder.

And my posts yesterday are not designed to denigrate or mock Klopp. He's a brilliant manager and I'm still delighted - and a bit amazed - we got him.

I simply want to discuss and exchange opinion about what I feel are several interesting areas:

(i) His relentless and increasingly tedious "Everything's great!" "All my players are wonderful!" schtick. No, they're fucking not. Quite clearly and obviously they are not. We're 9th in the league. we just drew 2-2 at Anfield vs West Brom and lost 2-0 to fucking Newcastle.
Oh, but no! That's Jurgen being dead clever and cunning and motivational. Right, but I thought it was his "refreshing honesty and direct no bullshit" style everyone liked? Or is it only sometimes that he's honest and direct and doesn't talk bullshit? i.e. when you decide he is. Or isn't.

(ii) The idea - shrinking in popularity now, obviously - that Klopp and his team of football magicians can simply breeze in and FIX all our shit players. Not just fix, actually. MAKE THEM WORLD CLASS. We don't need investment, or at least 5 new players, just sprinkle Klopp's magic pixie dust everywhere and we can be Champions! As if. We need to spend a load more money. Stop pretending.

(iiI) His passion and that weird fan celebration thing at the end. His repeated refusal - until forced - to shake anyone's hand. And the rank hypocrisy when the same people who bark constantly when Mourinho, or Wenger or whoever act "unsportingly" seem to think it's OK when our manager does it, very obviously, because it's Tony Pulis and he's a cunt.

And I'll be clear now. I don't fucking care if he shook Pulis's hand or not. Give a fuck. Equally, I don't care when any other manger does it, or doesn't. I don't make a big deal out of it or affect some kind of irate faux-outrage about it. Because I'm consistent.

That's all really. It's not the start of some Anti-Klopp crusade. I am delighted he is our manager. But he's not magic.

 

[Rosco]

It's not the start of some Anti-Klopp crusade. I am delighted he is our manager. But he's not magic.

This goes for me too
But i reserve the right to poke fun at those who think he is magic and then get exasperated when his magic doesnt work.

 

[manwithnoname]

This goes for me too
But i reserve the right to poke fun at those who think he is magic and then get exasperated when his magic doesnt work.

Or blame Rodgers. That's another easy one. HE BOUGHT ALL THEM RUBBISH (COULD BE WORLD CLASS THOUGH) PLAYERS!

Yeah, blame Rodgers. Klopp is doing his very best with a team full of Rodgers rubbish. We finished 6th under Rodgers last season. We were 10th when he was sacked.

We're 9th.

 

[Portly]

We're 9th.

Yes we're 9th but in a rather compressed league this season. We are only 5 points off a 4th place.

 

[willby]

Fans and pundits discuss the game for weeks, if not longer. A 5 minute gesture by the team to their fans is drawing flak 😱
I say do it every single home game! Btw was Mignolet missing or just cut out by photo 😀

 

[FoxForceFive]

It's a little disingenuous to imply that the current league position is somehow pointing to things being the exact same as under Rodgers.

We obviously need more class players, that's clear.

However I think it's obvious that klopp is squeezing something more out of this squad. We still seem to suffer the same issues in defence & in attack, but we're actually capable of coming back from behind under Klopp, which is nice.

Fwiw I think anyone who thinks any manager is honest & direct (notable exceptions like the eternally thick scoper Sherwood who isn't capable of real deceit or forethought as he's too dim) is extremely niave. Being a football manager today is as much politicking off the pitch as it is anything else.

 

[Portly]

We are playing well, apart from the minor issues of not being able to defend set pieces or shoot straight. 😉

Once Klopp has sorted those things out, we will be unstoppable. 🙂

 

[manwithnoname]

It's a little disingenuous to imply that the current league position is somehow pointing to things being the exact same as under Rodgers.

We obviously need more class players, that's clear.

However I think it's obvious that klopp is squeezing something more out of this squad. We still seem to suffer the same issues in defence & in attack, but we're actually capable of coming back from behind under Klopp, which is nice.

Fwiw I think anyone who thinks any manager is honest & direct (notable exceptions like the eternally thick scoper Sherwood who isn't capable of real deceit or forethought as he's too dim) is extremely niave. Being a football manager today is as much politicking off the pitch as it is anything else.

Absolutely. So why do so many people talk about it with Klopp like it's anything admirable? Even if it is patently not true?

I like his occasionally blunt but always charismatic style. Plus I don't mind if he gets the arse and blanks Pulis. It shows personality and a bit of edge. But what I can't abide is when fans quack and scream when other managers do exactly the same.

And yes, it is clear we have improved under Klopp in many ways - which is to be expected given he's a far superior manager to Rodgers - but we need to keep clear heads and a healthy amount of cynicism otherwise we'll be duped again. FSG need to give him money. Lots of it.

 

[Hansern]

I don't know what this has to do with anything. He picked the best available players, like I did.

That doesn't mean that at least three of those starting players shouldn't be in the starting XI. Which is my point. We need a new goalkeeper, another CB, another CM and another attacking midfielder.

And my posts yesterday are not designed to denigrate or mock Klopp. He's a brilliant manager and I'm still delighted - and a bit amazed - we got him.

I simply want to discuss and exchange opinion about what I feel are several interesting areas:

(i) His relentless and increasingly tedious "Everything's great!" "All my players are wonderful!" schtick. No, they're fucking not. Quite clearly and obviously they are not. We're 9th in the league. we just drew 2-2 at Anfield vs West Brom and lost 2-0 to fucking Newcastle.
Oh, but no! That's Jurgen being dead clever and cunning and motivational. Right, but I thought it was his "refreshing honesty and direct no bullshit" style everyone liked? Or is it only sometimes that he's honest and direct and doesn't talk bullshit? i.e. when you decide he is. Or isn't.

(ii) The idea - shrinking in popularity now, obviously - that Klopp and his team of football magicians can simply breeze in and FIX all our shit players. Not just fix, actually. MAKE THEM WORLD CLASS. We don't need investment, or at least 5 new players, just sprinkle Klopp's magic pixie dust everywhere and we can be Champions! As if. We need to spend a load more money. Stop pretending.

(iiI) His passion and that weird fan celebration thing at the end. His repeated refusal - until forced - to shake anyone's hand. And the rank hypocrisy when the same people who bark constantly when Mourinho, or Wenger or whoever act "unsportingly" seem to think it's OK when our manager does it, very obviously, because it's Tony Pulis and he's a cunt.

And I'll be clear now. I don't fucking care if he shook Pulis's hand or not. Give a fuck. Equally, I don't care when any other manger does it, or doesn't. I don't make a big deal out of it or affect some kind of irate faux-outrage about it. Because I'm consistent.

That's all really. It's not the start of some Anti-Klopp crusade. I am delighted he is our manager. But he's not magic.

Some weird points here tbh. Do you expect him to say to the media that his current players a crap?
What he says in public and what he and his staff are discussing/planning at Melwood are two completely different things.
If he's to have any sort of chance to get these guys to perform from now and to the end of the season I doubt questioning the squads quality will be the best motivation.
He obviously knows we need investment and new players. Everyone does. But the January window isnt the best to get your top targets and the summer transfer window is miles ahead. We can still get something out of this season. Being 9th now does mean anything. We're also in a cup semi and won the EL group.

There will be quite a few changes in the squad over the next transfer windows is my guess.

So thanking the fans is a weird celebration? Its a normal thing to do in the Bundesliga, even if you dont win.God forbid they try to install that here aswell.
I'm not really arsed about the handshake thing.

Klopp isnt a miracle worker but he's quality manager that has actually won stuff. That gets people excited.
Which is why I find it so strange that people moan over little things. And are prepared to laugh at other fans if it goes tits up.

Is it a British thing? That the glass is always half empty?

 

[manwithnoname]

There will be quite a few changes in the squad over the next transfer windows is my guess.

So thanking the fans is a weird celebration? Its a normal thing to do in the Bundesliga, even if you dont win.God forbid they try to install that here aswell.
I'm not really arsed about the handshake thing.

I'm not sure that just because it's a "normal thing to do in the Bundesliga" means we have to do it. Perhaps the Germans have a culture that simply enjoy gathering in large crowds, cheering, chanting and singing in unison, regardless of the message or occasion? Like a good old-fashioned rally?

 

[Portly]

I'm not sure that just because it's a "normal thing to do in the Bundesliga" means we have to do it. Perhaps the Germans have a culture that simply enjoy gathering in large crowds, cheering, chanting and singing in unison, regardless of the message or occasion? Like a good old-fashioned rally?

That's a very cheap shot.

 

[manwithnoname]

That's a very cheap shot.

I was defending good old-fashioned British values like reticence and a natural distrust of government and large crowds, rather than accepting someone calling us "glass half empty" pessimists. It has served us well.

 

[gkmacca]

It's a genuinely transitional season. That ought to be obvious. Klopp is a good manager and he's assessing his squad and planning ahead. That should be obvious, too. But the people who seem to be getting over-excited are the ones monitoring the predictable hype, which is coming as much from non-fans as it is from within the fan base itself. I find the matches very absorbing because they are mini-experiments and case studies. There are all kinds of possibilities suggested by how they develop. But don't get exercised by the results, good or bad. No reliable pattern is going to develop. But the laughable eagerness to start questioning Klopp is ridiculous. As a club we should still be dazed by our good luck to get one of the top managers in Europe, but, no, some are sitting there whining about him not smiling right, not saying the right thing, not being honest, not being dishonest, on and on it goes. Get a picture of Hodgson, gaze at it and count your blessings, you daft sods.