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Stoke must've assembled some squad then outspending United and all....
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Problem being KHL is that even Slurs shit signing have had important parts to play. He gets the dross to play well. I'd KILL for a manager who could do that for us
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That has more to do with the years and years of implementing an 'United-way' if you like I'd say. He took six years to win his first trophy (if I'm not mistaken) and in todays environment that's like a hundred years of poor form. Now he's installed a winning mentality in the team that even rubs off on the Evans and O'Shea's of this world and big cudos for that.
But don't forget that he's had some of the best British born players ever at his disposal combined with massive transfer fees for the likes of Veron, Berbatov, Hargreaves, Anderson (closing in on £100M for those four alone) without being crusified. Because the likes of Carrick, Rooney, Ferdinand, Vidic, Nani, Evra, Ronaldo, Nistelrooy, Park, De Gea, Van Der Sar, Young, Valencia and so on has been more or less succesful. There's another £200M there.
I believe Kenny could do something very similiar to us given the time and financial backing.
But you can see how fans of today acts. Kenny out after his first Season where a mediocre League position, A cup trophy and yet another cup final simply isn't enough to keep the faith. Ryan being one of his fiercest destractors. Would have been a different league now had Uniteds fans/CEO's shown the same lack of patience towards their gaffer back in the 80s.
Cant find it Ken.
But heres the basis:
De Gea - 17m
Evra - 5.5m
Rio - 30m
Smalling - 12m
Jones - 16.5m
Carrick - 18.5m
Scholes - Free
Rooney - 30m
Young - 17m
Valencia - 16m
Hernandez - 7m
Bench
Berbatov - 30m
Rafael - 18m (with Brother)
Cleverley - free
Park - 7m
Nani - 17m
Not a cheap squad at all.
But heres the basis:
De Gea - 17m
Evra - 5.5m
Rio - 30m
Smalling - 12m
Jones - 16.5m
Carrick - 18.5m
Scholes - Free
Rooney - 30m
Young - 17m
Valencia - 16m
Hernandez - 7m
Bench
Berbatov - 30m
Rafael - 18m (with Brother)
Cleverley - free
Park - 7m
Nani - 17m
Not a cheap squad at all.
Cheers Herr, exactly the point I was making, has more credence coming from you though. Spent fuck all my arse.
Uniteds net spend since the Glazers took over is less than Stoke's. It's ninth in the league if I remember correctly.
Only Wenger and Ferguson have managed to maintain competitive teams without a significant net spend. Ats why they will always be better than the likes of Rafa, Redknapp and O'Neill whose teams all fall apart when, the net spend increases run out.
To get back to my favourite study, that most managers dont make an appreciable difference when controlling for other factors - Wenger and Ferguson are the exceptions to the rule in the Premiership. Most improvement comes from spending increases, not managers.
Only Wenger and Ferguson have managed to maintain competitive teams without a significant net spend. Ats why they will always be better than the likes of Rafa, Redknapp and O'Neill whose teams all fall apart when, the net spend increases run out.
To get back to my favourite study, that most managers dont make an appreciable difference when controlling for other factors - Wenger and Ferguson are the exceptions to the rule in the Premiership. Most improvement comes from spending increases, not managers.
Ronaldo 80 mill..........
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/manchester-united-transfers.html
This is quite interesting regarding this whole debate..
This is quite interesting regarding this whole debate..
That's copy and paste to Facebook page material.
Reina - 7m?
Johnson-16m
Agger - 6m
Skrtel - 7m?
Enrique - 6m
Jay- Free
Hendo - 16m
Downing - 18m
Bellamy - Free
Gerrard - Free
Suarez - 22m
Subs -
Doni - ?
Carroll - 35m
maxi - 2m?
kelly free
jonjo 1.5m
kuyt 8m?
Dunno who else there was
So still a lot like
Based on the first team alone, Rio, Rooney, Carrick and De Gea on there own cost more than our entire first team.
Only a fool could argue that Ferguson isn't a great manager, it is rather stating the bleedin' obvious.
As Portly says, and has been debated before, he keeps it simple and gets bodies in the box, and knows how to deal with big egos.
As Portly says, and has been debated before, he keeps it simple and gets bodies in the box, and knows how to deal with big egos.
I think it's very legitimate to discuss why United have been so much more successful than us in the last two decades. Unlike Rosco I think the manager has much more to do with it than the amount of money spent, although I wouldn't go so far as to deny that the transfer budget is a factor. In my opinion we have had a succession of poor managers while United have had one good one.
I still believe that they are a bunch of arseholes, nay, the sperm of the Devil.
You intimating that Fergie's a good manager? Never knew that.
I don't want to get into the debate of Manc's net spend.
However I do admire and detest in equal measures, their absolute lack of complacency, competitive spirit, unquenchable thirst for trophies - year in year out continuously for two decades. There appears to be no end to it. I would say that is as important as a reason as their finances in their ability to remain at the top after Cantona, Keane, Ronaldo, Beckham, Kanchelkis, etc etc left.
However I do admire and detest in equal measures, their absolute lack of complacency, competitive spirit, unquenchable thirst for trophies - year in year out continuously for two decades. There appears to be no end to it. I would say that is as important as a reason as their finances in their ability to remain at the top after Cantona, Keane, Ronaldo, Beckham, Kanchelkis, etc etc left.
Ross, selling one of the best players in the world for a record amount of course distorts things, even if you count our lucky 50M for Torres, Still a 30M gap.
If only Rafa had the same amount to spend as Fergie, we'd be up high on a mountain now.
(cough)
selling Ronaldo for 80M might have helped the net spend considerably however.... a somewhat freakishly large sale.... but credit where it is due he has indeed doena very very good job.
Aye he has. I'm just saying he has also spent a lot. The winning mentality is just pathological in him, and the fact he has continued to keep united up there, without buying as many marquee players says it all. I don't like the man, as he's a bully but alas I have to respect some of his accomplishments
It's still subjective though. They invested in £20m - £30m players over numerous years and also have the benefit of players like Scholes and Giggs still providing experience and quality. When they were spending £30m on Rio, we were creaming ourselves at buying Heskey for £10m. They were already way ahead of the pack and they've reaped the rewards of that for years. Fair play to them and there's no denying we've spent poorly, but they've had a setup there for decades now, stability, finances and a group of players they managed to keep together and fit. Our problems against their success is decades of inconsistency and naivety on and off the pitch. Yes that's continued into this season but one season shouldn't be measured against something that's taken years (and plenty of initial indulgence) to achieve.
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