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Read in some article on the Guardian that in the 4/5 years since the Glazers have taken over that United have spent less on transfers than us, Arsenal, Chelsea, City, Spurs, Aston Villa, Newcastle and Stoke.

That Fergsuon still has that team getting to Champions League Finals and collecting League titles and 89 (likely) points this season is a testament to managerial genius.

That folks is what a proper Manager looks like.
 
He already had Evra, Carrick, Vidic, Ferdinand, Giggs, Scholes, Nani and Rooney, most of whom have played most uniteds games this season. Stop trying to make up that Ferguson has been successful on a shoe string budget.
 
Yep, though they did spend well for years prior, spending big money on one or two top players (and largely getting it right), to give them a good backbone with the right winning mentality. That said, you have to applaud the way he implements Steady-Eddie's into that side, without fuss or any detriment to the approach or, importantly, results.
 
I argued this fact with many people recently. Much as I hate the man he's an alchemist when it comes to turning an average squad (like they have at present) into a team capable of challenging. My argument has been that our squad is STRONGER than theirs (or at least as good) and if he had our squad at his disposal he'd achieve something simialr with them as he has done with United this season.

We need to find the new Ferguson before they do, the problem is will it be Lambert, Rodgers or McDermott?*

I realise it might be none of them but I suspect at least one of these guys will have a very succesful career at a top team.
 
Pesam said:
I argued this fact with many people recently. Much as I hate the man he's an alchemist when it comes to turning an average squad (like they have at present) into a team capable of challenging. My argument has been that our squad is STRONGER than theirs (or at least as good) and if he had our squad at his disposal he'd achieve something simialr with them as he has done with United this season.

We need to find the new Ferguson before they do, the problem is will it be Lambert, Rodgers or McDermott?*

I realise it might be none of them but I suspect at least one of these guys will have a very succesful career at a top team.
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I think it'll be lambert myself. Hes done fantastically well with back to back promotions and maintaining top flight status.

Rodgers is obviously good, but i feel like he's still dining on the legacy Martinez set up. But we'll see.
 
I'm not sure that you can take the last few years in isolation. It's fair to say that nobody would've marked him out as a genius during his first 5 years at Man Utd.

He has consistently spent big over his tenure (breaking a British transfer record for a defender early on), especially buying high value players frequently over the years to add quality; often securing players who were unattainable to all but a handful of teams worldwide.

It should be remembered he spent 30m on one player a full decade or more before we did and has done it numerous times, which obviously we and others couldn't.

Another factor is player pay, they've always been top payers. Ferguson did what we must do now; pay top wages to attract the best; just as he did when United had no recent history of success or European football to offer. Ferguson also benefited from an enlightened youth set up and we may benefit now with the current talent. Man Utd also went on to develop a stadium to garner revenue, again we must do this. No one can fail to see the similarities with them circa 1990 and us now.

All that said, where his 'genius' shows itself in my opinion is to consistently motivate his players before EVERY match, seldom do you see his sides coast. It's testament to his desire. This is the type of ethos that Dalglish or A N Other must instil.

The similarities give me hope, we can and must follow their lead.
 
Mystic said:
He already had Evra, Carrick, Vidic, Ferdinand, Giggs, Scholes, Nani and Rooney, most of whom have played most uniteds games this season. Stop trying to make up that Ferguson has been successful on a shoe string budget.
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You listed 8 players there. Only two of them cost more than any of Downing, Henderson or Carroll.

But that's by the by, he's spent less than fucking Aston Villa.

And look at the injuries they've had this season. Vidic, Fletcher, Anderson, etc etc...
 
Fabio said:
I think it'll be lambert myself. Hes done fantastically well with back to back promotions and maintaining top flight status.

Rodgers is obviously good, but i feel like he's still dining on the legacy Martinez set up. But we'll see.
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Rodgers obviously has benefitted from the work Martinez did but before Rodgers was appointed Paolo Sousa was briefly manager and showed that it wasn't that easy to simply come in and take over.

I also think that Rodgers has an incredible eye for talent (better than Martinez) because in Ashley Williams, Siggurdson, Caulker, Danny Graham etc he has picked up (some loans, some permanent) some absolute pearlers and not paid a fortune for their talents.

Honestly between the 3 of them I haven't got a clue which one will be more successful but all 3 of them are showing huge promise.
 
Ryan said:
You listed 8 players there. Only two of them cost more than any of Downing, Henderson or Carroll.

But that's by the by, he's spent less than fucking Aston Villa.

And look at the injuries they've had this season. Vidic, Fletcher, Anderson, etc etc...
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Carrick £18.6m, Nani £17m, Rooney £26m, Ferdinand £30m, so your point was completely incorrect. It's not by the by, sitting a hundred million pound of talent makes his job a lot easier, lets not forget he's spent £30million on Berbatov, £24m of De Gea and fuck knows who else in the time being, so this notion that Ferguson has breathed his miracle breath onto a depleted malnourished squad is laughable at best, none of this takes away from his undeniable talent as a manager, but lets save that accolade for it's deserved recipient, David Moyes.
 
A post that was made to another shot at Daglish. You could have just been Dreamy and said, "Ferguson is a great manager and a cunt, and the main reason the Mancs challenge year in, year out."
 
Mystic said:
Carrick £18.6m, Nani £17m, Rooney £26m, Ferdinand £30m, so your point was completely incorrect. It's not by the by, sitting a hundred million pound of talent makes his job a lot easier, lets not forget he's spent £30million on Berbatov, £24m of De Gea and fuck knows who else in the time being, so this notion that Ferguson has breathed his miracle breath onto a depleted malnourished squad is laughable at best, none of this takes away from his undeniable talent as a manager, but lets save that accolade for it's deserved recipient, David Moyes.
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How much did Downing and Henderson cost?
 
LeTallecWiz said:
A post that was made to another shot at Daglish. You could have just been Dreamy and said, "Ferguson is a great manager and a cunt, and the main reason the Mancs challenge year in, year out."
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The point was more in relation to the "managers are meaningless" debate but I really don't give a fuck what you think anyway.
 
keniget said:
Less than Stoke, really?

Has Pulis really spent that much?
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Yup, really.

I should have Sunderland, not Newcastle in my original post. But anyway, here it is...

In total, United's net spend over the past five years amounts to £51.6m. Which is considerably below the £25m per season the Glazers once promised. City's total is £418.9m, Chelsea £155.9m, Liverpool's £83.3m and Tottenham's £66.7m. Perhaps most surprisingly, Sunderland have also spent more than United, with £69.2m, as have Aston Villa on £68.4m. And who would have thought that Stoke, on £59.7m, would be more prolific spenders than England's best-supported club?
 
The net spend figures are helped by the £80m they got for Ronaldo but yeah the cunts doing alright but trophyless this season with a bit of luck.
 
We all know the REAL reason why United have spent so little over the years but we're all skating around the issue.

It's because Ferguson is a tight Scot that's why.
 
Ryan said:
The point was more in relation to the "managers are meaningless" debate but I really don't give a fuck what you think anyway.
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Yes you do ... I still care about your Henderson prediction, and hope it comes true.

Managers can't be meaningless - the question of their impact is obviously what you're still debating with Ross.
 
The man is a despicable piece of work, a cnut and a hypocrite who has done more than almost any other single individual to drag football into the gutter. The fact that he got a knighthood for "services to football" would be laughable if it weren't tragic.

He's also an extraordinary manager whose record - however he achieved it - is incredible. We'd have won the title a time or two if he'd been in charge of the squads we've had at the club while he's been at ManUre.
 
Spending on the whole is fucking ludicrous debate which i despise. Costs of players mean fuck all.

Its not how much you spend, its if you spent wisely.

Last year a 6m acquisition helped propel united to the title in the form of Hernandez. This season he's not been as good but he's still scored 12 goals in all competitions. 10 of which are in the league.

This is why i despise the defence of rafa of he had no money. he fucking did and fucking spunked tons on luxury players.
This season kenny has spunked loads on mediocre players.

BAAAAAAAAAAH
 
Yes Fergie, the cunt, is a great manager. It's undeniable. He also finished 11th in his first season at OT
 
Sunny said:
Yes Fergie, the cunt, is a great manager. It's undeniable. He also finished 11th in his first season at OT
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If they had the internet back then, he'd have been fired. Thankfully, we won't make the same mistake as Manure did! HOOZAH!
 
athensruairi said:
We all know the REAL reason why United have spent so little over the years but we're all skating around the issue.

It's because Ferguson is a tight Scot that's why.
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Doc Mac will argue against that vehemently just as soon as his neighbour stops downloading films so he can use his wifi to get online & do so.
 
Manchester Uniteds team at the weekend cost £169m
Manchester Citys team at the weekend cost 162m

Dont believe the hype.
De gea
Rooney
Rio
Nani
Young
Berbatov
Anderson
Carrick etc
All cost a fucking fortune.
 
Herr Onceared said:
Manchester Uniteds team at the weekend cost £169m
Manchester Citys team at the weekend cost 162m
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Just out of interest, where are those figures from?

I had a quick glance at the team sheet and on the surface it looks like City's team is more expensive.
 
Ryan said:
That folks is what a proper Manager looks like.
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I reluctantly have to agree with this. Much of the discussion in this forum is about signing new and better players, but Ferguson has achieved a lot with a squad that is not significantly better than ours. He has a simple but effective tactic that doesn't change much from one game to another, and he has instilled a winning mentality into his players.
 
I have recently read that they prepare to spunk +£100M in the upcoming transfer window. It'll take some world class managerial talent to unearth talent on a shoe-string budget like that.

We all know Ferguson is a great manager, one of the greatest even, but it's kind of infuriating to read these kind of 'blind praisals' of the man.

Not only has he had some of the best British players under his wings for the last 15 years in Giggs, Scholes, Beckham, Keane, Ferdinand, Rooney etc. he's also spend loads on big name players from around the world. Some has been great, some good, some poor and some horrendous. Like most other managers.

And his team of today isn't actually looking particularly good considering the ammount of pounds he's spend. The next £100M will give him a chance to make it right I guess.
 
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