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Trent, Salah and VVD

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It's because Klopp and Slot both insist on playing for 90 mins in every fucking game.

I think he's also to blame on that - he wants to play every minute etc ...
I love that though - he's a born competitor and winner, but that's where the blame does lie with the gaffas - protect him. If you're up 2-0 in the 80th, give the minutes to whoever.
 
I think he's also to blame on that - he wants to play every minute etc ...
I love that though - he's a born competitor and winner, but that's where the blame does lie with the gaffas - protect him. If you're up 2-0 in the 80th, give the minutes to whoever.
Also if he's shit for 80 mins have the guts to sub him.
I've said it before, Salah rarely scores a late winner for us.
 
Also if he's shit for 80 mins have the guts to sub him.
I've said it before, Salah rarely scores a late winner for us.
…despite having conserved energy the whole game as he’s not asked to track back much. The difference in work rate / defensive cover between left flank (eg Diaz) and Salah on the right (with direct impact on Grav, Szobo and the right back) is palpable.

Granted Salah’s earned the right to be a unicorn in the side over many seasons, but I do wonder what it does to our balance as the season goes on. I keep reading folk moaning about the rest of the forwards showing up but we’re so heavily shaped around Salah’s needs that I think the whole system is too skewed.

With the expected natural decline in pace / effectiveness over the next 2-3 seasons, I’m seriously itchy about given Salah a huge contract and basically maintaining a declining version of what we’ve become in the latter part of this season (ie. Jan onwards).

On balance, I’m thinking now might be the chance to back Slot and reconfigure the system in a a more balanced way around established / emerging younger players. In that sense, a 400k a week contract for Mo would be off the table for me.
 
…despite having conserved energy the whole game as he’s not asked to track back much. The difference in work rate / defensive cover between left flank (eg Diaz) and Salah on the right (with direct impact on Grav, Szobo and the right back) is palpable.

Granted Salah’s earned the right to be a unicorn in the side over many seasons, but I do wonder what it does to our balance as the season goes on. I keep reading folk moaning about the rest of the forwards showing up but we’re so heavily shaped around Salah’s needs that I think the whole system is too skewed.

With the expected natural decline in pace / effectiveness over the next 2-3 seasons, I’m seriously itchy about given Salah a huge contract and basically maintaining a declining version of what we’ve become in the latter part of this season (ie. Jan onwards).

On balance, I’m thinking now might be the chance to back Slot and reconfigure the system in a a more balanced way around established / emerging younger players. In that sense, a 400k a week contract for Mo would be off the table for me.
Well, if we're gonna have a unicorn in our team he should definitely be creating more than he currently is. Not just giving away possession.
Some of the defenders pocketing Salah aren't even top class.

The real question for me is: how many games can he go without contributing in open play before Slot finally decides to sub him?

It feels like lately, he's been relying on penalties to paper over his lackluster performances.

I know there will be other fans who’ll give me grief, arguing that Salah has already had a great season. But honestly, I just don’t get it—does that mean Salah gets a free pass to stroll around the pitch, casually giving the ball away for the rest of the season?

If he’s going to disappear in our most crucial games, is it too much to ask that he at least shows up in a home game against Everton?
 
…despite having conserved energy the whole game as he’s not asked to track back much. The difference in work rate / defensive cover between left flank (eg Diaz) and Salah on the right (with direct impact on Grav, Szobo and the right back) is palpable.

Granted Salah’s earned the right to be a unicorn in the side over many seasons, but I do wonder what it does to our balance as the season goes on. I keep reading folk moaning about the rest of the forwards showing up but we’re so heavily shaped around Salah’s needs that I think the whole system is too skewed.

With the expected natural decline in pace / effectiveness over the next 2-3 seasons, I’m seriously itchy about given Salah a huge contract and basically maintaining a declining version of what we’ve become in the latter part of this season (ie. Jan onwards).

On balance, I’m thinking now might be the chance to back Slot and reconfigure the system in a a more balanced way around established / emerging younger players. In that sense, a 400k a week contract for Mo would be off the table for me.
I agree with this 100%, its a worry for next season, and you can look great on the outside but internally there is no stopping your bones and organs from ageing.

The lack of active engagement in yesterdays game by Salah compared to what Diaz was doing on the left was huge. Now people will argue that Diaz did fuck all with the ball BUT the point is that what he does can tire defenders into eventually making a mistake chasing him and tracking him. With Salah - there are a couple of issues:

1) He is like last night often being marked by 2 or 3 players - he is not going to beat them.
2) He really cannot fucking dribble or do the one on one engagement that Diaz does - the situation rarely presents itself
3) Refs don't even give him free kicks when he is man handled by guys twice his size.

Like @Buddha says - complete imbalance in the side between left and right. I think its a huge problem for us.
 
Well, if we're gonna have a unicorn in our team he should definitely be creating more than he currently is. Not just giving away possession.
Some of the defenders pocketing Salah aren't even top class.

The real question for me is: how many games can he go without contributing in open play before Slot finally decides to sub him?

It feels like lately, he's been relying on penalties to paper over his lackluster performances.

I know there will be other fans who’ll give me grief, arguing that Salah has already had a great season. But honestly, I just don’t get it—does that mean Salah gets a free pass to stroll around the pitch, casually giving the ball away for the rest of the season?

If he’s going to disappear in our most crucial games, is it too much to ask that he at least shows up in a home game against Everton?

Statistically speaking in the League, Mo scores a higher percentage of goals n the first half of the year with the Oct-Dec period being his best period for scoring.

March happens to be one of MO’s worst months for scoring, although that might reflect international breaks and more cup games.

The bad news is April and May (which is understandable as it’s a short month in games) isn’t any better - stats would say the average would say he’ll score 3 more league goals this season.

One interpretation could be that, as our top scorer, to be experiencing a down turn in scoring as we go into the key run-in period is not ideal.

So in the one sense, moaning about Salah not performing towards the end of the season is a red herring because that’s always been the case - his best performance in terms of goals in the run in was 22/23 - when we finished 5th outside the CL spots for, I think, the only time since he joined.
 
Statistically speaking in the League, Mo scores a higher percentage of goals n the first half of the year with the Oct-Dec period being his best period for scoring.

March happens to be one of MO’s worst months for scoring, although that might reflect international breaks and more cup games.

The bad news is April and May (which is understandable as it’s a short month in games) isn’t any better - stats would say the average would say he’ll score 3 more league goals this season.

One interpretation could be that, as our top scorer, to be experiencing a down turn in scoring as we go into the key run-in period is not ideal.

So in the one sense, moaning about Salah not performing towards the end of the season is a red herring because that’s always been the case - his best performance in terms of goals in the run in was 22/23 - when we finished 5th outside the CL spots for, I think, the only time since he joined.
Ok so if stats are saying that his performances drop towards the end of the season why don't we try and mitigate that by, I don't know, rotation?

I'm not saying that we bench him, because the options aren't proven to be better starters, but at least sub him if he hasn't done anything in the game.
 
Ok so if stats are saying that his performances drop towards the end of the season why don't we try and mitigate that by, I don't know, rotation?

I'm not saying that we bench him, because the options aren't proven to be better starters, but at least sub him if he hasn't done anything in the game.

Of course we should do that. Or we should not renew the contract of a player who is consistently good for about 60% of a season but expects to play 100% and internationals.
 
Ok so if stats are saying that his performances drop towards the end of the season why don't we try and mitigate that by, I don't know, rotation?

I'm not saying that we bench him, because the options aren't proven to be better starters, but at least sub him if he hasn't done anything in the game.

I mean I can only speculate - but rotation only works if the manager believes the replacement would be better than Salah’s lower performances.

Who else in the squad do you see getting 4 or more goals from LW in the remaining games?

You could argue that Chiesa might, but Slot doesn’t appear to think so because he barely plays him at all. Ditto Harvey.

I should add, it’s only really basic data I’m using - I haven’t broken it down in depth to include games or minutes played or even if it’s related to penalties.

And while it’s a drop off… it’s not like a cliff edge drop off - he’s still performing - just not as high as other periods.
 
…despite having conserved energy the whole game as he’s not asked to track back much. The difference in work rate / defensive cover between left flank (eg Diaz) and Salah on the right (with direct impact on Grav, Szobo and the right back) is palpable.

Granted Salah’s earned the right to be a unicorn in the side over many seasons, but I do wonder what it does to our balance as the season goes on. I keep reading folk moaning about the rest of the forwards showing up but we’re so heavily shaped around Salah’s needs that I think the whole system is too skewed.

With the expected natural decline in pace / effectiveness over the next 2-3 seasons, I’m seriously itchy about given Salah a huge contract and basically maintaining a declining version of what we’ve become in the latter part of this season (ie. Jan onwards).

On balance, I’m thinking now might be the chance to back Slot and reconfigure the system in a a more balanced way around established / emerging younger players. In that sense, a 400k a week contract for Mo would be off the table for me.

I could spend entire match threads moaning about Salah. But there's no point. He could be found out fiddling kids and the usual suspects would be "😎 3rd in all time Liverpool scorers list". So I'm then hoping the others pick up his considerable slack, and arguably extra harsh in doing so.

This system is a 1 one man team when it comes to the attack, and I fucking hate it. We shouldn't be at the whims of one man

Great. We're winning the league and it's a fucking achievement; but that's on slot more than anyone else. If we were still under klopp I don't think we'd be as comfortable as we are.
 
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