Well yeah if he was really THAT cynical about the club then obviously he shouldn't have given it the slightest consideration.
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Well yeah if he was really THAT cynical about the club then obviously he shouldn't have given it the slightest consideration.
It’s not about that at all. He’s chasing glory which is fine but don’t complain when the fans treat you like any other player who’s left and not a local lad.
The fans aren’t treating him like “any other player that’s left” though and in all honesty the treatment he’s been getting by some fans over the last year or so probably pushes him towards leaving.
There’s a weird thing going on, which I presume is partly to do with being a local lad - no fan “campaign” to get him to stay just, a general incredulous attitude of how dare he even consider not staying and to make matters worse there’s this focus on bringing in a transfer fee above anything else.
There’s no way he gets treated any better if he’d decided to bugger off, even with a hefty fee attached a season or even 2 ago - yiu just need to remind yourself of the treatment Gerrard got over his Chelsea move - and if you believe the rumours it wasn’t love for the club that “convinced him” to change his mind.
Comparing the situation to Mac Allistar is also not quite fair - the big difference there is the ‘22 World Cup - I think Mac didn’t want to move so close to just getting back into the national team and the World Cup a few months away - it don’t think it was anything to do with getting Brighton a fee - he wanted stability that season before his big move - it suited all parties for things to go the way they did.
I’m very much in the “couldn’t give a fuck about players after Torres” camp, but I do think we’ll miss Trent’s attacking output from RB because that bit isn’t easily replaceable.
You can use examples like grealish or cunha. Grealish signed a new contract which gave a villa a nice hefty fee when he left the end of that season. Cunha has only signed an extension even though we all know he's gone in the summer. You would have thought trent being a boyhood fan would have done the same. Would have left a better taste when he left.
I dunno - I don’t think leaving after signing a big contract looks particularly good either and wouldn’t have done much to make fans any happier.
Didn’t Suarez get a new contract before moving to Barca and after he tried to bugger off to Arsenal. Coutinho isn’t exactly welcomed back despite getting us a record transfer fee so big that Barca still haven’t managed to pay off.
Off the top of my head, feels like only Xabi got away “easy” with a big move elsewhere when in prime years, but that’s only because Rafa got it in the neck instead and the feeling Xabi had been “wronged”.
Sterling and Rahem also both got us good fees at the time and are hated for leaving. Masher too left a nasty taste despite bringing in a reasonable fee.
I get the hostility because of the way we've missed out on a fee, but we are as culpable, or we wouldn't be in this situation with three of our best players. He's not acted greatly, but he's not been treated that great of late either. I thought the writing was on the wall when he threw a tantrum earlier in the season.
That said, he's won everything with us, which none of the aforementioned players did. Ok, we won things, but we didn't win the title with any of those players, Trent has won it all and delivered in spades. Sure he's not infallible and we all know that defensively his progress could have been better handled, but he's been one of the most creative players in the Premiership in recent times and he's never really rocked the boat.
Some of the disrespect he's getting is just nonsense, people are pricks.
That said, he's won everything with us, which none of the aforementioned players did. Ok, we won things, but we didn't win the title with any of those players, Trent has won it all and delivered in spades. Sure he's not infallible and we all know that defensively his progress could have been better handled, but he's been one of the most creative players in the Premiership in recent times and he's never really rocked the boat.
Some of the disrespect he's getting is just nonsense, people are pricks.
I agree, I don't hate him. But to me he's just 'meh' now. It could have been handled a bit differently.
Debates will be had until the end of time whether he was our best RB or not. If we'd got a fee for him, I doubt there would be a debate.
But here we are.
It’s easy. Do what I do. Hate any cunt that leaves us 99% of the time.
Some were hating watching him play and now hate that he's leaving? Toxic relationship.
I've always worried about him defensively and said as much, in an ideal world he'd either have become a better defender or we would have moved him further forward a lot earlier in his career. If the "hated watching him play" was aimed at me, I didn't hate watching him play, I hated that we didn't use him correctly and we had a complete blind spot when it was clear he was going to struggle or when he did actually struggle, we should have protected him more and had the balls to change things as and when it was required. He's a tremendous talent.
The bottom line for me is my strong impression of Trent is that he's a supercilious prick and that makes it way easier for me to interpret the (fairly damning) facts as him having deliberately engineered this move for quite a while and he's almost relished doing so (see the snide Bellingham-inspired "celebration" vs West Ham). I think if that's true then it's pretty low behaviour and I'd expect a bit more decency than that.
Maybe that's wrong and it was much more innocent and less planned. Who knows, hopefully we'll know the truth at some point, but that's my gut feeling.
I don't hate him though and I don't even blame him for wanting to leave. I just think it could (PROBABLY) have been done in a more respectful and upstanding way.
Maybe that's wrong and it was much more innocent and less planned. Who knows, hopefully we'll know the truth at some point, but that's my gut feeling.
I don't hate him though and I don't even blame him for wanting to leave. I just think it could (PROBABLY) have been done in a more respectful and upstanding way.
I am pretty sure the message from Madrid was "don't sign an extension and we'll come get you at the end of your contract". He could have done the "honourable thing" and signed a contract and so cheated himself out of his move.
The equally honourable thing would have been to be up front about why he wasn't signing, instead of kidding on that he was considering it. That was straight out of the McMoneyman playbook. I get that that would have presented him with a dilemma, but my sympathy for the poor little lamb is severely limited.
I'm sure I've read about Real signing players in exchange for transfer fees in the past. Seems incredible I know, but I could swear to it.
I agree with you in the sense that TAA cannot ride on the “I am a scouser living the dream” wave and then move to Madrid. That is being disingenuous to say the least.
Stevie’s commitment to us is legendary. No doubt about it. But can’t expect that of everyone. Wouldn’t surprise me if TAA looked at Stevie’s career and thought, I know he has the adulation but I would rather have what Madrid would give me. It is a shitty thing to do but I can understand that.
My point was that you can’t compare Firmino’s loyalty to TAA. Madrid wasn’t interested in Firmino in the way they are with TAA. It is like saying Lucas was more loyal to us than TAA. Sure he was, but he wasn’t courted in the way Suarez, Coutinho, and TAA was courted.
Madrid fans don't give two shits about McMoneyman that's why he's been on a "please love me LFC" tour since he quit playing.
He's "homeless" just like Owen.
And soon Trent will join them under that bridge.
Madrid do look upon McManaman fondly. He joined them for free and scored a spectacular goal in the CL final and was the man of the match. But it takes a lot more than that to get a legend status at Madrid. He can’t ride the ex Madrid player status and make money and be relevant in the media. Agree on the rest of the post.
Yeah I was being a tad bit hyperbolic.
Wasn't directed at you, or anyone in particular. It's just funny to me that there's anger when there was equally anger when he played.
It's like every match thread:
"fuck off Trent, fuck off Trent, oh FUCK OFF you CUNT"
Then:
"He's gone and fucked off! What a cunt."
Classic football.
I can't be that angry at him when if I were his friend id be strongly arguing he should move on for the sake of his career and his life. Been saying as much for ages. I don't think he'll ever have as spectacular a season as he's already had with us. He's in his own shadow.
Fair enough. Would be delicious if Madrid didn’t win a thing next season again and we went back to back.
I mean, you could choose to believe that he hadn’t absolutely made his mind up and was genuinely considering our offer(s).
The toxicity levels have been on an upward trajectory for Trent a few years now - probably since the 22/23 season (maybe even before that) when we started using him more in an inverted role - but there’s always been this argument floating around about playing him further forward.
There is no good flout one to be had now. I think he did the right thing by saying nothing.
Can you imagine the fuming and foaming at the mouth if our vice captain had come out and said he fancied a move abroad.
Much worse would be re-signing and getting a low release clause inserted - we praise Mac for that - no way we thank Trent in the same way.
I do think the Klopp situation changed things for him and opened him up more to the possibility of moving.
The simple fact is - as fans there isn’t a player we wish well for leaving in their prime if it was their decision rather than a club or manager forcing them out - the only ones that get welcomed back are the ones that left after they’d passed their usefulness or left younger and didn’t really scale the heights.
So there you have it - the only likely way Trent could have gotten out of the club without being castigated from pillar to post was fall out with Slot and make a big play of leaving because Slot didn’t want him.
Keeping his mouth shut, playing well (which he mostly has - it’s not been a “bad” season) and contributing to winning a major trophy before leaving is probably as good as it gets.
Sorry, not buying that for one minute. I'm not talking about him announcing his intentions publicly but he absolutely should have been clear with the club in good time, so they could have properly considered how to deal with the situation. Nor can I give a rat's patootie about how he'd have been seen - that's a consequence of the choice he himself made. If it's your genuine view that dishonestly hiding his intentions was "doing the right thing" we are mos def going to have to agree to differ.
To be fair - how do we know he hasn’t been clear with the club and the club have accepted his position and preferred he continue to play out this season.
I’ve said before there isn’t much difference, financially, in re-signing Trent on a bumper wage 5 year contract and signing a good mid 20’s player for under £50m and giving him a good wage within our normal structure.
The club probably have had contingency plans for all eventual outcomes that make Trent’s final decision largely irrelevant.
Our fans have been slagging Trent off for 2 years, now he's going they're offended. Do one you cunts. That would be my line if I was Trent.
It's a shorter note to the fans.
Didn't Stevie stay only because Woland's friends threaten to remove his kneecaps?
We can know because, if he'd told the club what he was going to do in good time, there's no way we'd have held on to him.
I'm sure the club does have contingency plans, but none that would have made a proper transfer fee for Trent remotely "irrelevant".
Depends, if he told them he was always going to leave on a free and no in intention of renewing then they can’t really force through a transfer. I would imagine, soon as Klopp left then he had made up his mind to leave too. I guess only choice we would have had his to let him rot on the bench. I can’t believe the Club wouldn’t have known his true intention or been told so already a while ago.
