Trent, Salah and VVD
- Thread starter bluebell
- Start date
- Latest activity Latest activity:
-
- Tags
- salah
Judging by his recent interview, Konate is part of the “mini-conspiracy” too. Nothing wrong with this, I guess, but it does look like a Mexican stand-off between the club and key players. Once the first domino falls, things should resolve quickly. But if it doesn’t…
11 more injuries then?
This is conspiracy level stuff - but I like it !
This "report" is Lovren saying what he thinks and feels about Salahs contract situation. Its about as useful as Lovren was playing for us. Hint, not very..
Lovren's opinion on virtually anything player related is in general beyond useless !
VVD is the one that’s most concerning to me.
I believe new contracts typically supersede the existing ones when signed, so pay and conditions are immediate. Trent could have probably been earning more money all this year had he wanted to, but I guess that doesn't come close to matching a free transfer contract to Real Madrid (or whatever Liverpool are prepared to pay to avoid that from happening).
This is how it normally works, although it doesn't have to be that way. The contract could be drafted to maintain the existing terms and conditions and have the new terms come into play when the existing one expires. This is more typical where the extension is on a reduced pay level (usually because the player is getting on / injury prone, so his future contribution is likely to be at a lower level than at present). It would be highly unusual for a player / agent or even the FA / PL to agree to a contract with reduced terms that take effect immediately.
But it would be more normal for the new (improved) terms to take effect as soon as the contract is signed (or at an agreed date stated in the contract, such as the 1st of the following month) and that's often used as an incentive to persuade the player to sign sooner rather than later.
EDIT
Just to add re the 1 July date, with a player who is already on your books, you can start a new contract whenever you like, but with an incoming player, it can only take effect from the date of the transfer (which is often 1 July if the deal is agreed ahead of the summer window opening). That's because the player's registration isn't owned by the club until the transfer is done, so he can't be employed by the club before that date. In the case of an existing player, you already own his registration so you can start a new contract whenever you like (and the contract will extend the period for which you own his registration).
Did you take that story even 1% serious?
Googling updates and thats all I got...
There’s your first mistake.
He’s made it clear he wants to stay though
Might want to stay, still depends if the club give a reasonable offer
Wonder if there's a hefty bonus for a pl or cl win in there, which on the renewals might be less as they're potentially going to become less important to the team over the next few years. If they sign now, they might be getting less of a bonus should we win
Already suggested this before, think Beamy said bonus payments will be paid regardless as agreed.
It would all come down to what's in the contract, but I don't see any way those bonuses for the current season would go down. The club wouldn't try it (it would be a supreme act of bad faith), and the agents wouldn't let it slip if they did.
That's not to say that there mightn't be lower numbers for outer years (or a skew in fixed v bonus) but for this year they wouldn't reduce those bonuses, if they change at all they'll go up.
So you're saying I'm wrong? Again?
In a world where there is a bill before congress to authorise agent Orange to buy Greenland and re-name it "Red, White and Blue Land", I'm not sure such nebulous concepts as right and wrong really exist anymore.
TLDR : yeah, sorry bud. That's not how it works in practice.
“First”?????
At some point this will be correct. Hopefully. Maybe.
View: https://x.com/_wingplay/status/1890756188687516158?s=46
View: https://x.com/_wingplay/status/1890756188687516158?s=46
We could do with any official announcement to get things going.
Right and wrong are sometimes nebulous but sometimes anything but. Anyone who, like both of us, has sat accounts exams should know that.
2+1 would be exceptional!
Salah will play until he’s 40.
Salah will play until he’s 40.
You need to be a subscriber to the Daily Mail to be able to read that. @Richey / @Judge Jules any chance you can give us the story?
Using reader mode on an iPhone helps.
Fuck the Tories.
It was the casual way Arne Slot threw out Mohamed Salah’s name in the Anfield press conference room early on Sunday evening which screamed his significance.
‘It is so difficult to win a game of football,’ Slot said. ‘People always feel like, “Ah, you’ve got Mo Salah, what are you talking about? He will always score a goal”. No — it is difficult.’
Salah does almost always score or assist a goal, actually. He has failed to produce one in just four of Liverpool’s 25 Premier Leaguegames this season, scored 38.3 per cent of the team’s goals and had more goal involvements than nine entire teams in the division have managed.
Liverpool’s Salah dependency has been incontrovertible in the past few weeks. He’s not really been ripping games up, but then, with optimal efficiency, he’s struck.
There was the goal and nonchalant clipped cross for Alexis Mac Allister’s bullet header at Goodison Park. The penalty against Wolves. Even his absence at Plymouth. ‘I think Liverpool must realise how important it is to keep him,’ Graeme Souness said of the FA Cup defeat.
Slot’s language about Salah seems so much warmer than Jurgen Klopp’s. ‘He is so experienced and smart and knows so well where the ball will fall,’ Slot said last Friday. ‘That’s a positive thing about being 32 — he has lived through so many situations.’ The feeling seems to be mutual. ‘Excellent at his job,’ Salah’s agent tweeted of Slot on Friday. Not the kind of public love he expressed for Klopp.
Relations with those higher up the Liverpool food chain don’t seem quite as warm. Salah feels slightly less loved up there.
Liverpool are in a bind about how much to invest to commit to the extension of his contract.
He will turn 33 in June and to keep him beyond that age goes against the grain of the data-driven ethos on which Liverpool’s return to the top of the British game has been based.
Central to that ethos is the fact there are no guarantees what a player of that age will offer you. A physical dip and depreciation of the asset will inevitably come. Liverpool don’t generally sign up to decisions like this.
But Salah, built like a torpedo and delivering better stats than two years ago, also runs against the usual physical norms.
A Liverpool squad without him would be a shadow of the current one. The replacements Liverpool have looked at include Brentford’s Bryan Mbeumo, Bournemouth’s Antoine Semenyo, Borussia Dortmund’s Jamie Gittens and Real Sociedad’s Takefusa Kubo. But would any of those deliver Salah’s goals?
There would be greater certainty about Newcastle’s Alexander Isak. But the outlay could be £120million and perhaps £350,000 a week in wages. Salah is the man already in the building, with all the certainties that brings. It looks a very easy equation and Liverpool’s position is that they do want to retain him. It’s the numbers — wage and length of deal — that are uncertain.
Would he stay for a lower basic salary and more based on performance over the next two years?
Salah’s negotiating position is strengthened by the fact that the other strikers Slot rotates bring nowhere near the same goal threat. Diogo Jota, starting his first league game in four months on Sunday, has struggled with fitness and puts himself in nowhere near the same number of scoring situations. His expected goals (xG) figure for this season and last is 16.8. Salah’s is 52.7. Jota couldn’t seize the scraps against Wolves.
Cody Gakpo has been the emerging force this season — used to far greater effect by Slot than Klopp. But Luis Diaz’s goal on Sunday was his first this calendar year, and Darwin Nunez, popular because of his work ethic, lacks consistency. While Salah has scored 53 times from an xG of 52.7, Nunez has scored 24 goals from an xG of 33.6, so is underperforming by almost 10 goals.
In the great Liverpool era of the 1970s and 80s, there was an obvious solution at a moment like this. When Kevin Keegan, entranced by European football, told Bob Paisley he wanted to leave, Kenny Dalglish was the ideal replacement. Salah is even more integral to Liverpool than Keegan was back then, but there’s no obvious Dalglish figure this time.
Textise.net is usually good for getting behind paywalls
