True. It is subjective. But even if he had seen Mane, do you think he's squaring it? (given what you've seen of Mo over the years)?
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Why would he not? He has done it before and had 15 assists. Mane had 4 so statistically he was likely to back then and even more so this season.
Since losing a yard of pace he's become more selfless and a much better team player, I agree. Back then? He was less of a team player, and a lot of assists were in the games when he wasn't trying to clearly win the Golden Boot.
He still has his moments of selfishness, as we saw on Tuesday, when he sees it's a weak opposition and an opportunity to score a couple.
He's become one of our greatest players, and the irony is, when he's playing to win the game/league, he's world class and goals/assists naturally come. When he's playing to score for himself, he's horrendous and often the goals/assist dry up.
Not disagree with the fact he is more selfless but don't agree with the rest of it, or that example in the final he was going for golden boot.
Also, not sure you can really pick and choose games where you want to be more selfish or pad stats in the CL or PL, it either happens or not. When you are up few goals then maybe but I that remember the brilliant assist in the Wolves away that season in the last min to win us the game.
And how would he do that? It all happened rather quickly though....
I don't think can really say categorically for that example. Loads of others yes you can see Salah ignore others when he has time and chooses to do so.
It's a strength and a weakness having that mindset.
I actually think Mo is a world class player with incredible vision and as the ball is in the air, he sees the red blur in his peripheral vision but from the moment the ball was played, he had already made up his mind that he was going to take the shot on.
But heh, I admit, it wasn't obvious and it is subjective. Only Mo would ever truly know.
It's last 10 mins of the game , Yeah I would imagine he probably had made his mind, soon as ball came across and thought if I control this one, gonna hit it.
Salah has had many great assists. Having a brilliant assist isn't an example of selflessness if in the same game you miss 10 opportunities to play a team mate in (for example).
The question here really is whether Salah has the right balance between selfishness and selflessness.
At the start of the season, right up until Forest game, I think he's had the balance perfect.
His physical levels have dipped since Forest, where he's looked a bit leggy and his passing has gone awry. I think him not wanting to rest is what makes him great, but also what makes him a bit selfish. That's where I hope Slot can step in and take him off when games are won, so by the time the big knockout games come around, he's not completely legless.
I get that. Strikers mindset. I'm not saying he's wrong for having such a mindset. It comes with pros and cons. More pros over the years. But cons in a few big moments.
😆 I reckon that chance in the CL final is partly why Mane left in the end. Lol.
I bet someone else knew...
Yes, Not done great since though has he?
I bet someone else knew...
Only reason he even lasted that season was Klopp swapped him to the center because he was done a year before on the left. I don't think proves anythig. Mane was amazing and best LW in prime LFC I have ever seen but on the left he had run his race 12 months before. He was lucky, Klopp doesn't get rid normally unless player wanted out.
Our attack with those three had a much more developed understanding than we do now. We need to work on that, but we have a sort of flawed system in the center, and mane did a much better job even past his best in the hat position than Diaz does now, and forget about prime firmino, one of the most underated roles of all time.
In both eras the entire team exists to give Salah the ball in dangerous areas, and absolves him more than any other player of other responsibility. Give Salah record, that's fair, but you can't ignore the sacrifices other players make in service of that, and I would hope Salah played less, better minutes.
Mo going into it's all about me mode, when he's not playing at his best, doesn't help himself, or the team. It's worse now because we need to develop an understanding.
In both eras the entire team exists to give Salah the ball in dangerous areas, and absolves him more than any other player of other responsibility. Give Salah record, that's fair, but you can't ignore the sacrifices other players make in service of that, and I would hope Salah played less, better minutes.
Mo going into it's all about me mode, when he's not playing at his best, doesn't help himself, or the team. It's worse now because we need to develop an understanding.
It's also why we have to re-sign him because there aren't enough goals or of an understanding among the rest of the attackers.
We had a couple of years to try for post-Mo but instead we're probably more dependent on his goals and assists than ever.
You can’t lame any blame on Salah for that. That’s on Slot and was on Klopp before him.
Speaking of the CL Final, Trent's defending cost us that one.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xCTxnIFq9s
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xCTxnIFq9s
Well we can, because when Klopp did it last year he became a sulky twat and argued with Klopp on the touchline. He's not some untouchable messiah; he can be a prick you know
Of course he can and that was completely out of line. Like a petulant child and Klopp should have doubled down after that. He didn’t, that’s on Klopp.
Slot doesn’t strike me as a coach who panders to any player.
It’s more likely all the data shows Salah is a machine and head and shoulders above everyone else in an attacking sense and why Slot rarely if ever subs him or rests him.
Was a hissy fit at a difficult time and was reactionary, plenty of players have it and the only one I can remember with him and Klopp in all this time. They obviously have made up since, he mentioned only recently they chat more now than they ever did before.
Equally some people also forget his goals, and assists over 8yrs. Not sure I would agree Klopp made him, he was already brilliant before then and was on upward curve. But Klopp was a catalyst. How many PLs did we win before Salah? 0 in 30yrs
So it works both ways. Along with rest of the team, we won the title. With that in mind, acknowledge Salah's faults but also compensated by pretty much everything else, hence why some go easy on him. It's weird the amount of criticism on here, not been on other LFC forums so not sure what the general balance is like but if this is the sort discussion he generates when he has been our best player again this season and likely to leave after a glorious LFC career then wonder what the level of discussion would be like if he was having a stinker...
Equally how many PLs did we win before Bobby? How many since? Our best league positions came with Bobby. It's cause and effect. ITs not just about Salah, because if it was we would have won the league every year. Salahs output is great when we're set up to maximise his output. Problem is, he doesn't maximise his own output as he misses chances and makes poor decisions (generally after christmas).
Gerrard got this level of criticism as well, and he's regarded as our best ever PL player. When careers are done and boots hung up, then the red carpets and platitudes can come out. While he's still playing, i honestly don't know why its unreasonable to question and criticise? The website and life in general would be extremely boring if we all agreed about the same thing. When he leaves and retires then yes, we'll probably all agree he's been our best ever PL player (maybe more than that). Until that point i'm gonna call him a cunt for doing another cut inside and curled effort far post that is easily saved or goes wide. What i don't understand is the follow up of "hahaha he's our top scorer and top assister and people don't deserve him". And? That moment he was shit. Post game if he was shit i'll call him shit. I made reference to "results trump performance" somewhere, and thats all this is. Some aren't happy with performance, some think as long as he scored then why complain.
I've actively backed out of salah discussions since last year because it gets heated for no reason, from both sides. I know how i feel about him and ultimately, arsed what anyone else thinks
Hence why I said it was a team effort but Salah was catalyst was just as important as anyone else.
Not sure Gerrard got this level and don't agree with notion performances aren't upto results. His performance has been on most good as anything, I don't think we really learn anything new with these Salah discussions. If you ask the opposition fans how they see Salah this season, it;s telling on how he has done so far this season (apart for this month where there's been a drop off).
I don;t think anyone says any player is beyond cricism but the point is some of the discussion/focus on certain points are a bit OTT.
Just as I write it, boy wonder has scored from an amazing angle. He does thing no other striker we have had done at a consistent level...
I think the criticism is OTT because he's our highest paid player, and for the last 2 contract renewals he's played silly beggars in the press. It doesn't exactly warm your heart to see these things. I understand loyalty means little infootball, but equally its hard to get those things out your mind; especially when hes paid so handsomely
Was a lovely goal indeed, but he also broke down multiple attacks prior to that by holding on to the ball too long. I think it all boils down to some are more forgiving when taking the rough with the smooth.
It’s playing the market, why not?
If he wasn’t valued by FSG and their 5 billion enterprise, he deserves his share. I don’t see the relevance of the money. Like you said, some can see the big picture and others are always going to jump on every negative bit.
Rushie didn't?
I'm not sure if there is a goal that Salah has scored that Suarez couldn't, but I don't think the reverse is true.
I use a similar stance when comparing Gerrard to Scholes/Lampard/Beckham.
Superb today and a nicely taken goal.
He is relentless.
He is relentless.
