Stat padding while being off form might mean overall the team suffers. Mo trying to score 1 rather than laying off to someone else in a better position when we're 1 down in the 90th could be important
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But he has record assists so any proof team is suffering?
Being striker, their job is take that on. That what they are there for so I don't have any issues with it.
Record goal scorers win trophies, that theory doesn't really correlate. Did people say the same about Rush being goal scorer though, we won the lot.
Every single striker on that list of top 10 CL scorers has won multiple titles, so hopefully will be same for Salah.
Injuries...yes injuries.
Despite his impeccable physique he needs rest too. Don't forget, he broke down in the AFCON last season.
Hopefully Slot will try and Chiesa more time now, we need a fit Salah for last 3rd of the season. Not sure if we have ever managed in 8yrs to manage his minutes or have really vialble option before.
Yeah but its slot that decides whether to start salah in matches or not no? Yes salah makes himself available, but slot manages his minutes just like he does the whole squad.
True, but if your best player says that he wants to play, I think it's more likely that the manager will respect his wishes.
I think sometimes Salah needs to take some responsibility too. Like in the AFCON, it's worth mentioning that he already was injured before going and he just made it worse by playing. He then came back from that injury too soon and was out for a few more weeks.
There is a notion on this forum that Salah for last 8yrs has been pushing his playing time on us through either managers or his contract. It's a strange notion and when you consider strong personalities like Klopp or Slot, it doesn't make sense. On the other side, you have Klopp bending over for Salah but Klopp's strong will leading to exit of whole data department with Edwards previously. It's an SCM thing...
You're confusing me.
Didn't you say the team should be rotated etc?
Dead rubber etc?
Now you *want* mo to play every game even when we can in theory rest him so he's fresher for the run ins for the various competitions?
You can't be serious. You truly think klopp and slott look the type
Cmon now there's no way you believe he gets to dictate to the klopp or slot over his playing time. Slot has been resting him regularly when he can in local cup games.
The AFCON i agree but for liverpool no chance.
It's bad because in his pursuit to stat pad, he plays too many minutes and gets tired, and his performances get worse, even though he's scoring.
At the beginning of he season he was scoring AND playing well.
Now he's just scoring and he's not playing so well. He's missing opportunities to pass, over playing passes, mishitting crosses. missing a lot more chances and barely dribbling past anyone.
I put that down to tiredness. And he's potentially working his way towards another injury, as what happened last year.
He needs to understand it's OK to not play every minute of the PL and CL. He can get more goals/assists from resting (60mins yesterday would have been fine) and playing well in less time.
The amount of minutes he's playing is down to slot not salah so hardly salah's fault for the mins played. Its slot that's choosing to play him as much as he has. But more than likely he will rest him in the final game anyway as its a dead rubber.
Why is all the focus on Mo?
He's said his piece and his intentions clear, if there's a presentable contract on the table - he'll sign.
I don't think 175k a week for 12 months or whatever low ball bullshit stunt we're trying to pull here, is going to cut it.
What is Mo holding out for? Out of interest.
Because when he leaves, we won’t have anything to discuss. We will just end up agreeing his replacement will be pants.
Kinda forgot about the contract situation amidst this discussion of whether he has or hasn't been shit this month.
Makes for a nice change of pace.
Sounds like you are easily confused then as my point has nothing to do with rotation or Mo playing every game.
Doesn’t laying it off to someone else to score also pad his stats out?
We can say this now that he is close to many records. But what about 3 seasons or 4 seasons ago when he was no where near any records. Even then he made himself available for most games. I'm all for a little bit of cynicism....but this is too much. It seems like you are viewing through a very coloured glass on this one.
The man keeps it professional and finds a way to keep his fitness levels to go through significant portions of the season and does this season after season, we still find a way to question his motivation for doing this?
If fitness is the concern then the coach needs to take the call on when to rotate the player. It's not the players fault for being fit and available.
Exactly @Hyena stat padding - to dreamies point - doesn't can't really occur when youre playing in the highest forms of competition. You pad your stats by playing in easier competitions, lower leagues, with inferior players, etc.
I'd say that while playing for Liverpool in the Premier League it's not really possible to stat pad. You're simply making it at an elite level.
I'd say that while playing for Liverpool in the Premier League it's not really possible to stat pad. You're simply making it at an elite level.
The other one I don’t quite get is “Salah apologist”… what exactly is it that needs an apology - “I’m very sorry Salah always tops our goalscoring and assist charts”.
Surely you’d be an apologist idly it was something horrible happening or for a shit record - like “Darwin apologist” I could see.
it’s a very strange time we’re living in.
You know very well that is a simple interpretation. It's the 3 Monkeys ... he can do no wrong and isn't playing like crap, even when he is. When he's playing utter shite there's nothing wrong in saying it, when he's being brilliant then say it. No need to go radio silent for the former or make excuses such as 'he's our top goal scorer and assist maker'.
Lol
Depends. If he wants to bounce up the Liverpool goals and cl goals list, no. I think that's the most important for him. Assists are nice, but he's wants the goals
The 2 you mentioned have a very similar conversion rate in the league this year. So surely frustration would be equal for both?
Goals forgive a multitude of sins, which is fair. Think this is where the arguments come from; if Nunez had as many chances as mo, and scored that figure; would we want to be paying 350k a week for him? Or would we think that its not sustainable long term.
Thankfully we've been a chance creating machine so we can afford some prolificacy. Will that always be the case?
I mean yes, if Darwin was scoring 20+ goals every season and whatever amount of assists, winning the golden boot regularly… then yes, I absolutely would want to pay him £350k a week to keep him here and doing that.
But he isn’t going to do that.
I'm just explaining the viewpoint. At 32, how long is 16% coversion going to be enough? We're relying on a very low output, purely because our chances creation is so high. Our chance creation dips, so does mos output.
It's predominantly because mo is taking the lions share of chances, he's so high up.
We need to be focusing long term on spreading the wealth, or ideally, buying a 9 with a 20%+ conversion rate
