Change one rule

[Fabio]

Like, if the basic rule is complicated and seemingly open to interpretation, I'm all for a black and white "oh this is 100% offside" with less tedium for the footballing masses. That's why I liked my rule change rather than the daylight gap one.

 

[Hansern]

Is it a different debate? A lot of people want the offside rule amended as it's the bane of everyone's fucking life. VAR fixes it for a small proportion of the footballing world. Arguably the VAR correction of the offside is the different debate?

How would changing the offside rules make it possible to implement it in other stadiums bare the PL?

The EFL might not even want VAR introduced.

 

[Fabio]

How would changing the offside rules make it possible to implement it in other stadiums bare the PL?

The EFL might not even want VAR introduced.

Because I thought the point of the thread was to improve a rule for the whole of football? VAR is an irrelevance to the debate. If it's easier to go "his head was offside but he ran on the ball, he's onside" than "I think his toe might have been off so I'll flag", I'm all for it. For me it's about making the rule easier for referees to implement on the pitch

 

[the count]

I'd make off sides fully automated with a chip in each players shirts, shorts or wherever at the same point and a bit like goal line technology there would be near instant determination of whether a player was off side or not

 

[Hansern]

Because I thought the point of the thread was to improve a rule for the whole of football? VAR is an irrelevance to the debate. If it's easier to go "his head was offside but he ran on the ball, he's onside" than "I think his toe might have been off so I'll flag", I'm all for it. For me it's about making the rule easier for referees to implement on the pitch

Yeah, thats why I said VAR etc is a different debate. 🙂

A rule change were daylight have to be seen wont make the offside rule better imho. It will be the same issues that we have now.
Marginal offside calls, what part of his body is not in the clear and to top it off you’d have teams defending deeper.

Improve the clarity of todays rule and use semi automatic offsides to take away the individual errrors that occur and reduce the time per decision.

 

[Hansern]

I'd make off sides fully automated with a chip in each players shirts, shorts or wherever at the same point and a bit like goal line technology there would be near instant determination of whether a player was off side or not

Yeah, I had the same thought. It would get rid of the heavy flags as well

 

[dee]

All the fucking monkeying about in the box prior to a corner.

There are rules about holding your opponent - enforce them fully. We'll get 15 pens in the first few weeks but that'll cut it out

 

[Beamrider]

From 4th place and down the teams conceded on average 60 goals with the bottom 3 even higher. There are just a lot of goals in the league with more attacking minded football and quality players.

I think an offside rule change like the one Wenger is proposing will see teams change how they defend and wont improve the game, at all.

I agree about the Wenger proposal, I think it's nuts. He's lost his way since he took the job with FIFA. They should have put him into an anti-doping role because he was always outspoken about that.
My idea was no offside from an attacking free-kick. I just thought if you could increase the jeopardy from a free-kick more than 25 yards out then it might make the Rodri's of the world think twice before building their defensive game on committing snide fouls which are never punished properly (Fabinho too, for the record). And in the extreme scenario, he takes out an attacker on the half-way line before the attacker can make a killer pass, but that guy spots the ball instantly and plays in his mate who by now is 10 yards clear of the defence but not offside, then the snide foul could get a suitable punishment.
I'd also be inclined to send players off for cynical fouls wherever they occur on the pitch. Similar to the penalty rule now - you make a genuine challenge but commit a foul, it's a yellow, make a cynical foul where you always knew you were taking your man out and you're off, even if it's on the touchline in the opposition half.

 

[dee]

I'd also be inclined to send players off for cynical fouls wherever they occur on the pitch. Similar to the penalty rule now - you make a genuine challenge but commit a foul, it's a yellow, make a cynical foul where you always knew you were taking your man out and you're off, even if it's on the touchline in the opposition half

So that's all the DMs red carded every game then (especially Endo!) ... oh except Rodri obviously

 

[Hansern]

I agree about the Wenger proposal, I think it's nuts. He's lost his way since he took the job with FIFA. They should have put him into an anti-doping role because he was always outspoken about that.
My idea was no offside from an attacking free-kick. I just thought if you could increase the jeopardy from a free-kick more than 25 yards out then it might make the Rodri's of the world think twice before building their defensive game on committing snide fouls which are never punished properly (Fabinho too, for the record). And in the extreme scenario, he takes out an attacker on the half-way line before the attacker can make a killer pass, but that guy spots the ball instantly and plays in his mate who by now is 10 yards clear of the defence but not offside, then the snide foul could get a suitable punishment.
I'd also be inclined to send players off for cynical fouls wherever they occur on the pitch. Similar to the penalty rule now - you make a genuine challenge but commit a foul, it's a yellow, make a cynical foul where you always knew you were taking your man out and you're off, even if it's on the touchline in the opposition half.

Yeah, that could be interesting. The subjective offsides like Endo got done for is also something to look at on free kicks.

 

[darkstarexodus]

I agree about the Wenger proposal, I think it's nuts. He's lost his way since he took the job with FIFA. They should have put him into an anti-doping role because he was always outspoken about that.
My idea was no offside from an attacking free-kick. I just thought if you could increase the jeopardy from a free-kick more than 25 yards out then it might make the Rodri's of the world think twice before building their defensive game on committing snide fouls which are never punished properly (Fabinho too, for the record). And in the extreme scenario, he takes out an attacker on the half-way line before the attacker can make a killer pass, but that guy spots the ball instantly and plays in his mate who by now is 10 yards clear of the defence but not offside, then the snide foul could get a suitable punishment.
I'd also be inclined to send players off for cynical fouls wherever they occur on the pitch. Similar to the penalty rule now - you make a genuine challenge but commit a foul, it's a yellow, make a cynical foul where you always knew you were taking your man out and you're off, even if it's on the touchline in the opposition half.

This got me thinking about a limit on fouls similar to basketball where, after that limit has been reached, subsequent fouls result in a penalty (or a direct free kick from 25 yards, or wherever). That would certainly be a deterrent to dirty and cynical play

 

[Le Chacal]

Since some new ideas come from Rugby, what about the 10 minutes penalty?

 

[MomoWASright]

What’s that? It takes about 10 minutes to take a penalty once VAR and all the shit is done.

 

[The Nomad]

Since some new ideas come from Rugby, what about the 10 minutes penalty?

Do you mean the sin bin
Or
Do you mean the 60 second shot clock to take said penalty?

 

[Brizzle]

The reason we had the most goals is that we also had about 7-8 more mins of injury time per game.

I don't like the idea of daylight between defenders as it is just moving to a different way of trying to draw lines and looking at millimeters etc.

 

[Athens]

Here's one for the Irish crowd who also follow the GAA, how about a black card where a player is sent off, but their team is allowed to send on a replacement? It's meant to be for cynical fouls...

 

[MomoWASright]

Here's one for the Irish crowd who also follow the GAA, how about a black card where a player is sent off, but their team is allowed to send on a replacement? It's meant to be for cynical fouls...

The cynic in me would use that to replace someone when you’ve ran out of subs.

 

[Athens]

The cynic in me would use that to replace someone when you’ve ran out of subs.

In that case a black card should be a 10 minute sin bin or a sening off.

 

[Le Chacal]

What’s that? It takes about 10 minutes to take a penalty once VAR and all the shit is done.

Do you mean the sin bin
Or
Do you mean the 60 second shot clock to take said penalty?

Yeah I mean The Sin Bin. It also gives the officials some time to review incident and eventually give a Red card...
As someone mentioned, stop the clock at every injury, penalty, freekick, substitutions and 70 minutes actual play

 

[Dreambeliever]

Yeah I mean The Sin Bin. It also gives the officials some time to review incident and eventually give a Red card...
As someone mentioned, stop the clock at every injury, penalty, freekick, substitutions and 70 minutes actual play

70 mins actual play would kill everyone.

Thats the basically playing extra time every single game.

 

[Stevesquash]

I agree about the Wenger proposal, I think it's nuts. He's lost his way since he took the job with FIFA. They should have put him into an anti-doping role because he was always outspoken about that.
My idea was no offside from an attacking free-kick. I just thought if you could increase the jeopardy from a free-kick more than 25 yards out then it might make the Rodri's of the world think twice before building their defensive game on committing snide fouls which are never punished properly (Fabinho too, for the record). And in the extreme scenario, he takes out an attacker on the half-way line before the attacker can make a killer pass, but that guy spots the ball instantly and plays in his mate who by now is 10 yards clear of the defence but not offside, then the snide foul could get a suitable punishment.
I'd also be inclined to send players off for cynical fouls wherever they occur on the pitch. Similar to the penalty rule now - you make a genuine challenge but commit a foul, it's a yellow, make a cynical foul where you always knew you were taking your man out and you're off, even if it's on the touchline in the opposition half.

Your second proposal would be sorted by the sin bin proposal that got very short shrift on here, but I still think is a good idea. Cynical foul. You're off for 10m.

The cynical fouls stop so many good opportunities so make the game far lrss entertaining. Pundits openly talk about the need to do it, which teaches society all the wrong values.

I also like your idea though!