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Tex should be starting ahead of Milner.

Much more creativity and flair.

I'm happy to sacrifice extra running for that!
 
He played a great game, Sadly he is way down the pecking order.

You have four players vying to play in one position..

He is 4th on the list..

Rodgers was a dickhead though to omit him from the Europe League Squad.

He should be getting game time in that competition..

Fucking hell, get the fuck over it.
 
I don't know why people are making grand statements about pecking orders. Klopp has shown enough times that he won't give a fuck about playing a reserve instead of a big money player.
 
I think we're allowed a 25 man squad, so we had 4 free slots. He could/should have taken one of them.

Who's correct here Gerry? Yourself or Modo? Any idea who took the other 4 non homegrown slots?

I thought it was ridiculous that Teix wasn't initially included in the squad.
 
No idea. That's just the way I read it. I'm sure someone else can confirm

This is the answer I got.

Our EL squad:

Mignolet, Bogdan, Clyne, Gomez, Toure, Lovren, Moreno, Sakho, Skrtel, Lucas, Henderson, Milner, Can, Allen, Coutinho, Lallana, Firmino, Origi, Ings, Sturridge, Benteke

Ibe, Rossiter, Chirivella, Brannagan, Sinclair, Flanagan(?) etc are on our B-list. No space for Enrique or Teixeira.

Shame that none of our seniors qualify as one of 4 academy products as that limits our squad to 21 players. Ings and Gomez being injured might create a space for Teixeira to be included in the February redraft though, perhaps that's a silver lining.
 
Okay, well then Teix should not have made that squad ahead on anyone on the first list. Wait, we could have left Kolo out and put Teix in?
 
Okay, well then Teix should not have made that squad ahead on anyone on the first list. Wait, we could have left Kolo out and put Teix in?

Yep that's what I thought too.

An extreme failure that none of the 21 is an academy product.
 
He played a great game, Sadly he is way down the pecking order.

You have four players vying to play in one position..

He is 4th on the list..

Rodgers was a dickhead though to omit him from the Europe League Squad.

He should be getting game time in that competition..

If Modo's list is correct, what senior player would you have omitted for Teix?

Mignolet, Bogdan, Clyne, Gomez, Toure, Lovren, Moreno, Sakho, Skrtel, Lucas, Henderson, Milner, Can, Allen, Coutinho, Lallana, Firmino, Origi, Ings, Sturridge, Benteke
 
If Modo's list is correct, what senior player would you have omitted for Teix?

Mignolet, Bogdan, Clyne, Gomez, Toure, Lovren, Moreno, Sakho, Skrtel, Lucas, Henderson, Milner, Can, Allen, Coutinho, Lallana, Firmino, Origi, Ings, Sturridge, Benteke
Kolo..
 
Way to derail the thread, @Mystic.

Here's a decent article about how Firmino and Coutinho can play together – it's relevant here because it will surely affect the chances of Teixeira making it here.

I have to say I disagree with Carragher's assertion that we have too many #10's in the squad – I don't think that's the crux of the problem; the problem is lack of penetration and finishing touch, which is a very different thing. If you look at some of the most memorable attacking set-ups of the last years – Barca, Spain NT, Germany NT, Real, Bayern, Arsenal, Klopp's Dortmund, AS Roma, Man City – you will invariably find a lot of players who can be described as #10's: technically excellent, positionally versatile players with playmaking abilities. There is NOTHING inherently wrong with having 3 or 4 or more of such players in the squad and 2 or more in the team at the same time. The question should be, do they have the right mix of qualities and tendencies to play together effectively? Because #10 is a very general term that doesn't take into account specific things like speed or goal-scoring ability – Messi, Özil and Lallana are all technically #10's, but they are hardly interchangeable, are they?

Look at Klopp's best Borussia teams. Götze, Reus, Mkhitaryan and Kagawa are all playmakers, yet each one has different qualities that enabled Klopp to put usually 2 or 3 of those players in the team at the same time and it worked great. The Spain national team took this to the extreme and sometimes stuffed literally all midfield and attack positions with playmakers – and as they won everything that there was to be won for 6 years running, you could say it didn't do them any harm, did it? So no, I don't think it's a problem that we have too many #10's. I do think it's a problem that there is not enough movement in front of Coutinho, not enough players making runs in behind the defensive line, and not nearly enough players who know how to score consistently. Also I don't think the styles of Lallana and Coutinho are very compatible; thus far they don't seem to bring out the best in each other. But clearly Firmino and, on very limited evidence, Teixeira are different kinds of #10's compared to either Lallana and Coutinho and I believe Klopp will figure out how to make those parts fit together to create a much more productive attacking unit.
 
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Way to derail the thread, @Mystic.

Here's a decent article about how Firmino and Coutinho can play together – all of that will surely affect the chances of Teixeira making it here.

I have to say I disagree with Carragher's assertion that we have too many #10's in the squad – I don't think that's the crux of the problem; the problem is lack of penetration and finishing touch, which is a very different thing. If you look at some of the most memorable attacking set-ups of the last years – Barca, Spain NT, Germany NT, Real, Bayern, Arsenal, Klopp's Dortmund, AS Roma, Man City – you will invariably find a lot of players who can be described as #10's: technically excellent, positionally versatile players with playmaking abilities. There is NOTHING wrong with having 3 or 4 or more of such players in the squad and 2 or more in the team at the same time – in fact it's a luxury and a blessing. The question is, do they have the right mix of qualities and tendencies (because #10 is a very general term that doesn't take into account specific things like speed or goal-scoring ability – Messi is a #10 and so is Lallana) to play together effectively.

Look at Klopp's best Borussia teams. Götze, Reus, Mkhitaryan and Kagawa are all playmakers, yet each one has different qualities that enabled Klopp to put usually 2 or 3 of those players in the team at the same time and it worked great. The Spain national team took this to the extreme and sometimes stuffed literally all midfield and attack positions with playmakers – and as they won everything that there was to be won for 6 years running, you could say it didn't do them any harm, did it? So no, I don't think it's a problem that we have too many #10's. I do think it's a problem that there is not enough movement in front of Coutinho, not enough players making runs in behind the defensive line, and not nearly enough players who know how to score consistently. And I don't think the styles of Lallana and Coutinho are very compatible; thus far they don't seem to bring out the best in each other. But clearly Firmino and, on very limited evidence, Teixeira are different kinds of #10's compared to either Lallana and Coutinho and I believe Klopp will figure out how to blend them all into a much more productive attacking unit.

I'm sorry, I was proud of my joke!

Back on point, I couldn't agree more with this post, our issue is penetration, what's the point of having all this playmaking ability if no one is stretching the backline. Its why a striker with a goal threat would make a massive difference to us, Origi just doesn't seem interested / capable of running the channels and stretching the defence, if he could we'd open up a load of space, and be much more dangerous. I'd expected to see more of this from Firmino too, but he's disappointed a little in that regard so far, but that could be down to him coming back to fitness and finding his place in the team. Texieira pleasantly surprised me on Wednesday as he was a lot more direct and pacey than I expected, his run for the goal was a testament to that, for those reasons alone, I hope he gets some more game time, even if its from the bench.
 
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