Swansea v Liverpool Match Thread
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While we're dealing with Rodgers' pros and cons: every flaw in those young players today stems from what he put in place in terms of revamping the coaching at lower levels. Carelessness at every level. Passing without looking to an opponent? Happens all the time at under 21 and under 18 and under 16. Same for failing to compete consistently, failing to press, failing to fight... There's so much pace and talent in those sides they make up for it more often than not, but that self-conscious 'we're artistes, not scrappers' attitude has ruined many really promising careers at the top level. They get patted on the back after playing like that, week in, week out. And they're not taught to give a damn. Because it's all, 100%, about honing technique (that went well!) rather than ALSO appreciating that you HAVE to win games. These kids are told they DON'T have to win games. And that's what's become of them. The idiotic notion is that, when they're almost technically fabulous, they can go out to somewhere like Wolves or Ipswich and get a bit hardened. But they don't, they just fade away, because they're of no use to teams that need to win. They end up utterly bewildered and bruised, kids who've been told they're great because they can play neat triangles on the edge of their own box, usually not fecking up against other kids who let them do it. It's a shambles of a coaching system that Klopp should absolutely demolish without hesitation and rebuild on professional lines.
Klopp on Sturridge: "I spoke to him at half-time, he said 'I want to play the 90 minutes'. We have four days until Thursday. It's good."
Klopp on Sturridge leaving at FT: "Sorry if you thought we ignored the fans, but I went too."
Klopp: "If somebody forgot to say sorry to the fans, then that's my fault."
Klopp on Sturridge leaving at FT: "Sorry if you thought we ignored the fans, but I went too."
Klopp: "If somebody forgot to say sorry to the fans, then that's my fault."
That's a fine post, even if it does rather exaggerate some of the technical qualities of players like Stewart, who is just shit. And I haven't seen anything of the abysmal Chrivella to justify any enthusiasm
The sad truth is that we don't have any players coming through who are good enough, regardless of how they are coached. Superior coaching isn't going to suddenly unearth a Fowler, Owen, Gerrard, Carragher or McManaman. If that quality was there we would know by now. It isn't
He's a great talent. When you're one of the young Spanish players earmarked for a place in the future Spanish national team, then you've got something.
Some of our fans will have given up on him today mind.
On the plus side, Klopp's made some Awful team selections lately, so hopefully he will get one right eventually on Thursday.
He can still do the whole Managing the players he has thing.
I don't think that's particularly right, or fair. I backed Houllier and Rafa until towards the end when there were no excuses left, but I would always be openly critical of certain performances, I backed Dalglish and Rodgers to the hilt, I even gave Hodgson the benefit of the doubt (for at least 5 minutes). I've backed Klopp and have huge admiration for him, but I'm not going to buy into everything he does, to the point of trying desperately to find a positive in every setback.
I thought he got it wrong in-game against Villareal, and he got it wrong today. I'm also concerned that we're putting all of our eggs in the Europa basket. If we go out on Thursday, then the Newcastle and Swansea games (among others) could cost us a place in Europe next year.
Ok, so in fairness to Klopp, he can only use what he has, but it's not a terrible squad either. We all know it's flaws and that he needs to buy, but we also know this squad has shown it's capabilities against Chelsea, City, Everton, Man United, Dortmund, etc. So the quality is there and it can be adapted better at times to cover both competitions. Milner, Lucas and Allen are three experienced midfielders, it's not really good leaving all three out and pinning our hopes on a kid who's barely kicked a ball in the Mickey Mouse cup. Jordan Ibe has regressed catastrophically and was terrible against Villareal, he should never have been put on, but he gets a reward for a poor half, by starting the next game. I don't see the logic.
Look, at the end of the day, aside from Europe, we could have written this season off after the Cup Final in February. That's not Klopp's fault, it's a combination of a load of factors - Rodgers, injuries, Klopp getting to know the club. Fine, but we can still stand here and say what's going wrong and sometimes, not often, but sometimes it's partly because I don't think Klopp has made the right decisions. I'm in complete agreement that there are always mitigating factors that effect those decisions, but I'm fucked if I'm going to be labelled a moaner for saying we could have handled some situations better. It's easy to get angry during a match, it shows we give a shit, but when things calm down post match, I think most of those being critical see some reason and are pretty fair about it all. Aside from the odd bellend.
I think that's fair enough?
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It was a combination of just shit defending as a team though too, he's also played in a makeshift team. He might be finished, he's getting on and he's had a bad injury, it happens. I'm not sure why you have to hammer the point home when you've clearly never been a fan, as if it proves anything other than he's at the tail end of his career. It's bordering on how Modo was with Carragher.
Like this
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I've been a fan but its gotten to the point were I dont want him in the team anymore.
He's a liability.
Yes, it was makeshift today but look at his defending.
I've said the same about Lucas today. Its nothing like Modo and Carra either btw. Its a valid discussion after todays games as he's obviously one of the players that could be sold.
Clearly this has turned into a place where you cant talk about Rodgers, Skrtel, Lucas etc.
We should ban these names from being typed at this rate.
Nobody takes any notice of what Modo says, his opinions are worthless because he's never right about anything
Liverpool's win percentage this season with Martin Skrtel is just 35%, compared to 53.3% without him.
And you're the one always accusing people of having their agendas?
You're fucking laughable.
Yeah he picked a shit side and I get why, but I remember posting before the Newcastle game that if we won our last few games we'd have 69 points and I thought that would get 4th.
Now citeh are getting slammed by southampton. manure just dropped points. citeh play arse next week. 69 really prolly would do it, but now we've just dropped 5 points against a load of shite. So it was a big gamble, chasing the Europa at the expense of the league.
Now citeh are getting slammed by southampton. manure just dropped points. citeh play arse next week. 69 really prolly would do it, but now we've just dropped 5 points against a load of shite. So it was a big gamble, chasing the Europa at the expense of the league.
I guess you didn't read my next post and just jumped on this, that's a surprise.
Oh, and do fuck off, gobshite.
Very honest man.
So your next post somehow exonerates the fact that you continually - in a tiresome, eye-rollingly pathetic, Arn-like fashion - compare people's treatment of Klopp with people's treatment of Rodgers? Me pointing that out to you doesn't make me a gobshite, it means that you're a nob. Especially when you then go ahead and have a go at Hansern about his critcism of Skrtel.
Have a word with yourself.
I see that you started to agree with me. They moan and moan and moan a bit more. They even moaned after the 4-3 Dortmund win. Welcome to Six Crazy Moaners. The nameless one is the worst one by some distance. I have him on ignore but when you are not logged in you can read all his moaning and it is a lot of it, a lot. In thread after thread after thread, every fucking day.
Some of them don't have a clue about fitness. So what if the players played away against Villareal two and a half days ago. They should play anyway or else Klopp got it wrong. They have NEVER wrong, NEVER. They are much better managers than Klopp according to them. I get it wrong a lot of times but I don't moan just for the sake of it.
Again, welcome to Six Crazy Moaners.
It is ok to moan about our players. It isn't ok to defend them. You should know that by now.
ARN IS KING
You are just replaced that Arn is the best Windever, FACT.
That is ok as long as you support the team and don't throw shit at our players.
I don't "continually" compare the treatment of both managers, I've mentioned it a couple of times yeah, because the hypocrisy is pretty laughable at times - alot of the same posters who continually laid into Rodgers are on the warpath about people criticising Klopp. I've mentioned other managers too, in comparison. Like I said, Klopp has a had a good go of it, considering it's his first year and he's had injuries and alot of games to contend with, but he has made questionable decisions, occasionally. I don't see why people feel they have to defend everything he does, he's human, he's in charge of a big club with high expectations and years of mistakes to overcome, an XI v XI sport with so many variables that can go for or against you. Fine margins, etc, but he gets paid to make the decisions and he'll succeed or fail by them, and he'll get scrutinised for it, like every other manager before him.
He doesn't get a permanent reprieve because it's not his team. I don't see many people commending Rodgers, Dalglish or the committee when we get good results, when it's their signings that do well.
Hopefully results like today don't cost us and next season we might have the squad to stop him having to make such tight decisions, but if it's a tactical or personnel issue that's blatantly fucking obvious and it goes against us, I don't see the big deal in pointing that out.
I'm not King. I'm only a Liverpool fan that support the club and our players. Instead of moaning I support and defend them. If Klopp make as bad results as Rodgers his first three and half seasons then I will start to question him, not before that. I will give him and the players time.
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