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Summer transfer window = massive improvement

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[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=46700.msg1392731#msg1392731 date=1314870174]
To be honest, Im still gutted Ming has gone.

He was a quality squad player for us and will be a quality squad player for Chelsea.

Never the less - if we needed to recoup costs from our signings this summer, I'd take Adam and Enrique for Ming, every time.

Shelvey
Spearing
Lucas
Adam
Gerrard
Henderson

Should be more than adequate.
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Yep, sums it up, only I'm kinda ambivalent about losing Ming, for the reasons given.
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What are these reasons/text you know of? Give me something to hate him by!
 
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[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=46700.msg1392734#msg1392734 date=1314870274]
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=46700.msg1392731#msg1392731 date=1314870174]
To be honest, Im still gutted Ming has gone.

He was a quality squad player for us and will be a quality squad player for Chelsea.

Never the less - if we needed to recoup costs from our signings this summer, I'd take Adam and Enrique for Ming, every time.

Shelvey
Spearing
Lucas
Adam
Gerrard
Henderson

Should be more than adequate.
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Yep, sums it up, only I'm kinda ambivalent about losing Ming, for the reasons given.
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What are these reasons/text you know of? Give me something to hate him by!
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He's never got a bird preggers because he always pulls out at the last second
 
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[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=46700.msg1392734#msg1392734 date=1314870274]
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=46700.msg1392731#msg1392731 date=1314870174]
To be honest, Im still gutted Ming has gone.

He was a quality squad player for us and will be a quality squad player for Chelsea.

Never the less - if we needed to recoup costs from our signings this summer, I'd take Adam and Enrique for Ming, every time.

Shelvey
Spearing
Lucas
Adam
Gerrard
Henderson

Should be more than adequate.
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Yep, sums it up, only I'm kinda ambivalent about losing Ming, for the reasons given.
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What are these reasons/text you know of? Give me something to hate him by!
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He's never got a bird preggers because he always pulls out at the last second
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*likes*
 
if our summer signings/sales were a school report it would be an 'B' downgraded from an 'A' with the departure of ming.
 
It’s been a busy summer for Liverpool FC and director of football Damien Comolli. While the big name arrivals have caught the headlines, perhaps most impressive has been the work done to reduce what was a hugely bloated squad and get rid of the ‘deadwood’.

Including loans and free transfers, Liverpool have allowed 19 players to leave the club.

Telegraph reporter Rory Smith wrote on Wednesday night that those departures have cut the club’s wage bill by £30m.

High-earning players such as Joe Cole, Milan Jovanovic (both reportedly on £90k per week), Alberto Aquilani and Christian Poulsen have been sold or loaned out.

Meanwhile, a host of young players who were not expected to make the grade at the club have been released.

Even more interestingly, Smith notes that the club have recouped around £25m in transfer fees this summer.

Impressive work Damien, Kenny and FSG. What a difference a year makes.
 
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=46700.msg1392812#msg1392812 date=1314874667]
£25m.

so £12m for Ming. where'd the other £13m come from?
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Konchesky 1.5m
Ngog 4m
Ayala 1m
Insua ???
Poulsen ???


Emmmm.... think 25m is stretching it, more like 20m.
 
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[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=46700.msg1392812#msg1392812 date=1314874667]
£25m.

so £12m for Ming. where'd the other £13m come from?
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Konchesky 1.5m
Ngog 4m
Ayala 1m
Insua ???
Poulsen ???


Emmmm.... think 25m is stretching it, more like 20m.
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Maybe there was a loan fee for Aqua?
 
One good positive is I hate the word 'Ming'...and now it will be used less and less. Always hated it don't know why. It probably goes back to 'eeee why are you seeing her?... she's a ming.' and 'pelmets'. Can't stand the word pelmets.
 
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[quote author=Modo link=topic=46700.msg1391910#msg1391910 date=1314822214]
I can't say that I'm that pleased. Had that list included Mata I'd be overjoyed.
Pleased no. Content yes.
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Unbelievable.
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Yep, but if you stop quoting him, then my ignore feature works a fucking treat!
 
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=46700.msg1392008#msg1392008 date=1314824718]
You used to be a likable and sensible poster Modo.


It's a shame.
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He is a likeable and sensible poster cos all he posts now is:

You are ignoring this user.

Impossible to argue with!
 
You can argue about the whys and wherefores but selling meireles at the time that we did in the way that we did to whom that we did was not only a bad transfer (IMO) but it served to completely piss on my happy transfer season chips....

If it had been done earlier it would have been easier to accept but doing it as they did leaves me with the sense of shitting on a masterpiece just as you finished it... utter buzzkill that was.
 
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You can argue about the whys and wherefores but selling meireles at the time that we did in the way that we did to whom that we did was not only a bad transfer (IMO) but it served to completely piss on my happy transfer season chips....

If it had been done earlier it would have been easier to accept but doing it as they did leaves me with the sense of shitting on a masterpiece just as you finished it... utter buzzkill that was.
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He submitted a transfer request, so he must have wanted to leave.

No point keeping an unhappy player in spite of the positives he could bring.
 
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[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=46700.msg1392892#msg1392892 date=1314880661]
You can argue about the whys and wherefores but selling meireles at the time that we did in the way that we did to whom that we did was not only a bad transfer (IMO) but it served to completely piss on my happy transfer season chips....

If it had been done earlier it would have been easier to accept but doing it as they did leaves me with the sense of shitting on a masterpiece just as you finished it... utter buzzkill that was.
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He submitted a transfer request, so he must have wanted to leave.

No point keeping an unhappy player in spite of the positives he could bring.
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Then do it earlier and to some team other than Chelsea.

It was a shit idea.

On the whole the grade has dropped from an outstanding Grade A to a C+ or B- depending on how miffed I remember I am.

Surely we cant have reduced the wage bill by the way?? after all them signings??? If we have that will cheer me up...B- then... but then if its true ming left because we pushed him out with a reticence to pay him more... AAAAAAAGH..... C- again!!

I was sooooo chuffed with it all that to just downgrade it to fairly chuffed at the last minute makes me feel angry.

This window could have been a contender.... it could have been a somebody....
 
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[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=46700.msg1392008#msg1392008 date=1314824718]
You used to be a likable and sensible poster Modo.


It's a shame.
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He is a likeable and sensible poster cos all he posts now is:

You are ignoring this user.

Impossible to argue with!
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Haha
 
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[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=46700.msg1392812#msg1392812 date=1314874667]
£25m.

so £12m for Ming. where'd the other £13m come from?
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Konchesky 1.5m
Ngog 4m
Ayala 1m
Insua ???
Poulsen ???


Emmmm.... think 25m is stretching it, more like 20m.
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Maybe there was a loan fee for Aqua?
[/quote]Its adding in the Aquilani cash which will come in this season at some point
Meireles - 12
Aquilani - 2 (now) plus 5
N'gog - 4
Konchesky - 1
Ayala - 1

We may have got a nominal fee for Poulsen, Jovanovic et al but i doubt it as everyone knew we wanted shot of them.
To ship out in one window all that shat and recoup enough to pay for Downing and Adam is pretty fucking remarkable.
It does make our pre-season all the more fucking baffling though, getting all the shite we wanted out match fit while our first team squad chilled.
 
perhaps by playing them we were making every cunt aware that they existed
 
So we trimmed 30m from the wage bill and added 13 according to Telegraph. So we saved 17.

On transfers We spent 107 since fsg came in and recouped 78 ? So we spent 29 rebuilding the club minus 17 we saved in salaries = 12m cost to rebuild the club? Astonishing bit of business management if true..
 
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So we trimmed 30m from the wage bill and added 13 according to Telegraph. So we saved 17.

On transfers We spent 107 since fsg came in and recouped 78 ? So we spent 29 rebuilding the club minus 17 we saved in salaries = 12m cost to rebuild the club? Astonishing bit of business management if true..
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IF those figures are anywhere near remotely accurate it's hard not to be impressed.
 
The difference between the summer 2010 transfer window and the two transfer windows of 2011, particularly the window that has just closed, could not have been more different in what the club set out to achieve, what was achieved and the way in which the club’s efficient leadership team and affected players conducted themselves.

In the 9 months since the Anfield advent of the FSG, Comolli and Dalglish Triumvirate it’s patently clear, and doubly refreshing following the board room battles of previous regimes, that those at the helm of Liverpool Football Club are pulling in the same direction both in the current 2011/12 season and seemingly for the longer term. In the short time they have had to work together the FSG/Comolli/Dalglish partnership are well on the way to developing the strategic model for ‘The Project’ that aims to match commercial success off the field with investment and trophies on it. In fact it can be argued that following recent activity in the transfer market and a turnaround in results since the turn of 2011 all parties have made strides in the actual delivery of this strategy. Each faction of the Triumvirate possess the experience, skillset and support that when pulled together should begin to rattle a few whisky bottles at the other end of the East Lancs Road and then beyond.

The players we've brought in are young (yes Bellamy I know...), brimming with valuable Premier League experience (yes Coates...) and have a drive and ambition that can only have a positive influence on the dressing room. As I have alluded to in the Henderson thread, first impressions suggest that these are level headed young men who are willing to put in a shift in training throughout the week and stand up and be counted when it comes to 3pm on a Saturday afternoon (or whenever appropriate). Our additions this summer are also excellent footballers with an end product to their game. We need only look at the defeat of Bolton last week to see what we can expect offensively from Henderson, Adam and Downing and at the back from Enrique, who himself will also prove to be a valuable attacking option.

Compare the immediate impact and future potential of these recent signings to the hapless haul of 2010 which saw the additions of Joe Cole, Christian Poulen, Paul Konchesky and Milan Jovanovic. Admittedly the aforementioned summer 2010 transfer alumni were signed at a time of huge off-field uncertainty for Liverpool, but even so somebody within the higher echelons of Anfield/Melwood (Purslow, Broughton, even Roy?) should have realised how short sighted (possibly even optically) these signings were. I daren’t hazard a guess at what the summer 2010 transfer strategy was, if indeed there was a strategy as at all. If it was a case of a cash strapped club looking for cheap or even free quick fixes in the transfer market Purslow et al. bollocksed that one up by offering lucrative long term contracts to ageing squad players, ensuring any capital savings in this strategy where soon erased with the disproportionate operating expenditure of paying these players obscene amounts of money over inexcusably lengthy contracts.

One year on and there is light at the end of the tunnel, or Channel Tunnel a least for Cole, Poulsen and Jova who have been shipped off to France and Belgium as well as the Konch and his Mum (remember her!?) who has joined up with Uncle Sven in Leicester.

What is apparent after my lengthy ramble, which I realise could have been cut much shorter (sorry) is that we had an agreed and clear strategy this summer, and a Leadership Team of experts working together to make things happen. I look back on FSG's takeover with relief more than anyting when I compare the efficiency, long term thinking and ambition we have seen in 2011 to last summer's shenanigans. The importance of sticking to the agreed strategy and having the Leadership team working exactly as that, a team, is going to be a massive weapon for us as we look to make up ground first on Chelsea and the as I see it, City and United.

This summer was all about laying the foundation stones for future success. The hard work has now been done and we now have a competitive squad for the domestic season ahead, that is more than capable of achieving a Champions League spot. The loss of Meireles to a rival was a like catching your little finger in the transfer window as it shuts, but that is much more preferable to losing an arm, as we did when the window shut last summer (that sounds almost Rafa-esque in it's oddness, anway, you're nearly at the end...) Future transfer windows will see us add to this quality as we aim to compete to win the League and hold our own in the Champions League. But for now, I'm more than happy with how things are panning out.
 
Interesting post. Agree especially about the need for teamwork and how good it is to see that operating well at the club.

The one thing I would take issue with is your criticism of Purslow. I'd need to go back and check to be sure, but I reckon he'd left the MD's job (though possibly not the club, as he was a board member for a while afterwards) and Comolli was in post when most of those bum deals were going through.
 
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Interesting post. Agree especially about the need for teamwork and how good it is to see that operating well at the club.

The one thing I would take issue with is your criticism of Purslow. I'd need to go back and check to be sure, but I reckon he'd left the MD's job (though possibly not the club, as he was a board member for a while afterwards) and Comolli was in post when most of those bum deals were going through.
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It's my understanding that the bum deals quoted in my original post were orchestrated predominantly by Hodgson/Purslow and even Broughton (who should not have been allowed near any transfer discussions), with a little bit of Rafa influence (Jova) thrown in for good measure.

Comolli joined us in November 2010, a month after the FSG takeover, which was when Purslow took that back seat as 'consultant' to the board until February 2011.

The summer 2010 buys are quite clearly the antithesis for all that Comolli stands for, unless he cocked up the sorting on his spreadsheets and was reading his key performance indicator lists in reverse order.
 
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=46700.msg1393402#msg1393402 date=1314967709]
Interesting post. Agree especially about the need for teamwork and how good it is to see that operating well at the club.

The one thing I would take issue with is your criticism of Purslow. I'd need to go back and check to be sure, but I reckon he'd left the MD's job (though possibly not the club, as he was a board member for a while afterwards) and Comolli was in post when most of those bum deals were going through.
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It's my understanding that the bum deals quoted in my original post were orchestrated predominantly by Hodgson/Purslow and even Broughton (who should not have been allowed near any transfer discussions), with a little bit of Rafa influence (Jova) thrown in for good measure.

Comolli joined us in November 2010, a month after the FSG takeover, which was when Purslow took that back seat as 'consultant' to the board until February 2011.

The summer 2010 buys are quite clearly the antithesis for all that Comolli stands for, unless he cocked up the sorting on his spreadsheets and was reading his key performance indicator lists in reverse order.
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Or unless all that stuff, whether misused or not, was rather less reliable as a basis for making decisions than one might have wished. His record at Tottenham was distinctly patchy.
 
On a sidenote, there were rumours that Sylvain Marveaux and Gael Clichy were Comolli's preferences.
 
At spurs he bought young players primarily didn't he? well..youngish. Theres a chance that those players could have been a success if played. Assou-ekotto, bale, bent, taarabt, prince-boateng and one or two others could be part of a very good team
 
Hmm. Assou-Ekotto and Bale yes, but there are various questions surrounding the others IMO, however well they may have done elsewhere, and there were a fair few he bought besides whose fortunes were also mixed. I'm not saying he got everything wrong, but his strike rate wasn't that brilliant. Cnut though Sugar may be, he had a point about Comolli's time at Spurs.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=46700.msg1393475#msg1393475 date=1314973516]
Hmm. Assou-Ekotto and Bale yes, but there are various questions surrounding the others IMO, however well they may have done elsewhere, and there were a fair few he bought besides whose fortunes were also mixed. I'm not saying he got everything wrong, but his strike rate wasn't that brilliant. Cnut though Sugar may be, he had a point about Comolli's time at Spurs.
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I wouldnt say his role at Spurs has been impressive. However it is very difficult to evaluate how effective Commoli was at Spurs as I dont think the roles and the power structure was clearly defined. I also dont think Jol got along well with Commoli. There is also been the issue of Jol buying 7-8 players primarily from one agent who did not feature much at all.
 
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